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93Jay
3,104 posts
33 months
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ATM said: 93Jay said: Haven't been able to read through this whole thread, but anyone able to advice which type of E60's are getting stolen, is it just LCI models? or the older facelifts aswell?
What's the best way of preventing, I take it removing the OBD port is a must? Then how do BMW go about diagnosing any faults the car may develop? Refit the OBD port? I'm not clued up about cars and the mechanics, just want to know what gets stolen and how to avoid it, if the cars one to get stolen.
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joe_90
3,353 posts
100 months
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Why can you not just put an inline (toggle) switch on the power/gnd of the port, and put switch up somewhere private..
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TheEnd
12,082 posts
57 months
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joe_90 said: Why can you not just put an inline (toggle) switch on the power/gnd of the port, and put switch up somewhere private.. Yep, break a couple of data lines, the device will power up and it'll say no response.
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va1o
11,555 posts
76 months
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93Jay said: Haven't been able to read through this whole thread, but anyone able to advice which type of E60's are getting stolen, is it just LCI models? or the older facelifts aswell? 06 (ish) onwards E60s with the new style cartridge key, so there are a few pre-LCI cars affected.
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93Jay
3,104 posts
33 months
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va1o said: 93Jay said: Haven't been able to read through this whole thread, but anyone able to advice which type of E60's are getting stolen, is it just LCI models? or the older facelifts aswell? 06 (ish) onwards E60s with the new style cartridge key, so there are a few pre-LCI cars affected. Right so when viewing a 56 plate E60 from 0 feedback EBay seller, what shall we check to make sure it isn't a ringer or anything of the like? Basic viewing of the car it was mint, the price of it was normal not cheap at all, but the spec is bang on what we want.
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Mr-B
492 posts
63 months
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Did you get to see original V5, docs etc?
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richtea78
2,685 posts
27 months
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DanS said:
A while back the cops caught an Albanian gang who were running a fleet of 30 "council" tow away vehicles. they had uniforms and magnetic council signs on the trucks, they were just lifting the cars off the street in broad daylight and driving them straight to tilbury where they were stuck in a container until they could be shipped.
30? Thats shocking. Do you have a source for this that isnt the Daily Mail? I dont doubt it happened but 30 trucks isnt a small operation! One or two I can believe but 30 is remarkable!
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Cheib
6,211 posts
44 months
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93Jay said: va1o said: 93Jay said: Haven't been able to read through this whole thread, but anyone able to advice which type of E60's are getting stolen, is it just LCI models? or the older facelifts aswell? 06 (ish) onwards E60s with the new style cartridge key, so there are a few pre-LCI cars affected. Right so when viewing a 56 plate E60 from 0 feedback EBay seller, what shall we check to make sure it isn't a ringer or anything of the like? Basic viewing of the car it was mint, the price of it was normal not cheap at all, but the spec is bang on what we want. Check the VIN number matches the V5 would be the first...meet them at the registered address etc. Check the engine block number too. Ring BMW and check the service history they have matches what's in the stamped book. My E60 was cloned a few years ago....the police found it before the cloned car was sold. I had to take my car to the Met's Stolen Vehicles Unit so they could check it out (luckily 5 mins from where I live)...I didn't see the car but they told me that very few thieves do anything other than change the reg plate.
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Mr-B
492 posts
63 months
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Cheib said: Check the VIN number matches the V5 would be the first...meet them at the registered address etc. Check the engine block number too. Ring BMW and check the service history they have matches what's in the stamped book.
My E60 was cloned a few years ago....the police found it before the cloned car was sold. I had to take my car to the Met's Stolen Vehicles Unit so they could check it out (luckily 5 mins from where I live)...I didn't see the car but they told me that very few thieves do anything other than change the reg plate. I've seen a cloned car and it was very convincing, VIN plates done to a very high standard to the point they were indistinguishable from the genuine article.
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ATM
3,093 posts
88 months
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Mr-B said: Cheib said: Check the VIN number matches the V5 would be the first...meet them at the registered address etc. Check the engine block number too. Ring BMW and check the service history they have matches what's in the stamped book.
My E60 was cloned a few years ago....the police found it before the cloned car was sold. I had to take my car to the Met's Stolen Vehicles Unit so they could check it out (luckily 5 mins from where I live)...I didn't see the car but they told me that very few thieves do anything other than change the reg plate. I've seen a cloned car and it was very convincing, VIN plates done to a very high standard to the point they were indistinguishable from the genuine article. What do the BiB do with these when they find them - if they cant be identified?
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joe_90
3,353 posts
100 months
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Where are all the blank keys coming from?
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Mr-B
492 posts
63 months
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ATM said: What do the BiB do with these when they find them - if they cant be identified? They did stake out the property where the clone was being sold from but I think the perps got jittery and legged it without the cops catching them.
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D_G
1,412 posts
78 months
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joe_90 said: Where are all the blank keys coming from? Nowhere. They are just using another key from a different car and programming it.
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ATM
3,093 posts
88 months
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Mr-B said: ATM said: What do the BiB do with these when they find them - if they cant be identified? They did stake out the property where the clone was being sold from but I think the perps got jittery and legged it without the cops catching them. I mean what do they do with the cars they find and cant identify as they have been disguised, altered or changed? Crush them - surely not?
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TheEnd
12,082 posts
57 months
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D_G said: joe_90 said: Where are all the blank keys coming from? Nowhere. They are just using another key from a different car and programming it. I don't think so, it's pretty hard to delete the key info, you can buy new blank keys from China, somewhere around the £80 mark.
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Mr-B
492 posts
63 months
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ATM said: I mean what do they do with the cars they find and cant identify as they have been disguised, altered or changed? Crush them - surely not? Ah right, dunno. If the cloners have done a "good job" then it may be impossible to find out what the original car was so I guess it may have to be scrapped as you can't have 2 identical cars out there 
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gowmonster
1,304 posts
36 months
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Mr-B said: ATM said: I mean what do they do with the cars they find and cant identify as they have been disguised, altered or changed? Crush them - surely not? Ah right, dunno. If the cloners have done a "good job" then it may be impossible to find out what the original car was so I guess it may have to be scrapped as you can't have 2 identical cars out there surely some electrical components would have serial numbers, like the ecu for instance that could be linked to a particular chassis number.
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Mr-B
492 posts
63 months
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gowmonster said: surely some electrical components would have serial numbers, like the ecu for instance that could be linked to a particular chassis number. Possibly, I'm not a BiB so don't know what they do with them when they find one, I was just commenting on the fact that a good clone is hard to spot by the vast majority of people.
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Steffan
6,184 posts
97 months
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Mr-B said: gowmonster said: surely some electrical components would have serial numbers, like the ecu for instance that could be linked to a particular chassis number. Possibly, I'm not a BiB so don't know what they do with them when they find one, I was just commenting on the fact that a good clone is hard to spot by the vast majority of people. A well matched car would be almost impossible IMO. I have seen clones in the hands of the Police which I doubt anyone other than a genuine marque specialist could detect. Certainly not without very detailed examination.
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93Jay
3,104 posts
33 months
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Steffan said: A well matched car would be almost impossible IMO. I have seen clones in the hands of the Police which I doubt anyone other than a genuine marque specialist could detect. Certainly not without very detailed examination. Because of the spec on the I'm going to get is pretty unique, I'm going to check the factory build spec using the vin, that should identify If it's the correct car, as well other basic checks.
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