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D_G
1,423 posts
79 months
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TheEnd said: I don't think so, it's pretty hard to delete the key info, you can buy new blank keys from China, somewhere around the £80 mark. Maybe they are using blank keys on every car, I don't know. Do you know for sure a used key can't be added to another car? If the tech is there to program the keys then I'm sure reflashing a key to a virgin state can't be that hard. Anyone seen one of these devices at work?
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joe_90
3,389 posts
101 months
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D_G said: TheEnd said: I don't think so, it's pretty hard to delete the key info, you can buy new blank keys from China, somewhere around the £80 mark. Maybe they are using blank keys on every car, I don't know. Do you know for sure a used key can't be added to another car? If the tech is there to program the keys then I'm sure reflashing a key to a virgin state can't be that hard. Anyone seen one of these devices at work? I guess they need a key for the new 'owner', so a new key each time I guess.
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Mr-B
500 posts
64 months
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Steffan said: A well matched car would be almost impossible IMO. I have seen clones in the hands of the Police which I doubt anyone other than a genuine marque specialist could detect. Certainly not without very detailed examination. Exactly, seen one myself, nearly bought it  Only by very extraordinary chance did I become aware of it's history. 93Jay said: Because of the spec on the I'm going to get is pretty unique, I'm going to check the factory build spec using the vin, that should identify If it's the correct car, as well other basic checks. It's the only way to be certain it's not a fake. Cloners cannot get exact matches spec-wise and they just rely on the car being vaguely correct and passing the history checks which it will if they cloners have done their homework which they will have.
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Billyray911
284 posts
74 months
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93Jay said: Right so when viewing a 56 plate E60 from 0 feedback EBay seller, what shall we check to make sure it isn't a ringer or anything of the like? Basic viewing of the car it was mint, the price of it was normal not cheap at all, but the spec is bang on what we want. I would take the car for a test drive and take the key to a BMW dealership-ring beforehand to explain what you need and discuss any costs. They can put the key into a reader and tell you what the history(to a certain extent),fault codes etc, are.Ideally,take all of the available keys as certain faults will be stored on different keys,if one is used more than the other. Both Sytner and Rybrook do this on my car when I want to know what type of service is needed. The chassis number will be stored on the key so this can be cross referenced with the vin. If in doubt,walk away...
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andyjbrady
7 posts
44 months
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Small article in Sunday Times in the In Gear section today. Page 2. "Thieves find new way to drive away keyless cars". Mentions only BMW and a "spate of thefts in northeast London" and that BMW are "aware of the issue and awaiting Thatcham's findings" and "Investigation findings should be out by mid-July".
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JulietRomeo
19 posts
17 months
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Think mine is about to disappear from east London in the next few days - neighbour spotted some shifty looking buggers taking pictures of my albeit old 06 reg 320dm about 4 days ago... Pics probably sent abroad and the car maybe being advertised already....@rse, this may prompt me to switch to a 159 Q4 Ti ...
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WeirdNeville
4,570 posts
85 months
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JulietRomeo said: Think mine is about to disappear from east London in the next few days - neighbour spotted some shifty looking buggers taking pictures of my albeit old 06 reg 320dm about 4 days ago... Pics probably sent abroad and the car maybe being advertised already....@rse, this may prompt me to switch to a 159 Q4 Ti ... Diable the OBD port, park it under CCTV, and get a crook lock on it pronto! (or a wheel clamp0
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AndyM31
804 posts
75 months
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If memory serves me right, I remember reading of an independent in Enfield who will relocate OBD for a small fee of 95 GBP incl. tax. Spoke to muy local garage and they say that such work would not invalidate any warranties so mine will be going there soon.
I'll try and locate the name of the garage and come back. As for any lurking people who stalk cars, could I suggest a temporary stay in a secure garage to help get the vehicle out of heart and sight. Perhaps they shall move on if they do not see it.
Found it, the name of the garage is Cooks Ferry engineering, 0208 8042002
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gizard
1,966 posts
153 months
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95 Quid - I relocated mine in 30 mins it is easy for those looking to save a little - just have a look!
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rjwojcik
14 posts
53 months
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AndyM31 said: If memory serves me right, I remember reading of an independent in Enfield who will relocate OBD for a small fee of 95 GBP incl. tax. Spoke to muy local garage and they say that such work would not invalidate any warranties so mine will be going there soon.
I'll try and locate the name of the garage and come back. As for any lurking people who stalk cars, could I suggest a temporary stay in a secure garage to help get the vehicle out of heart and sight. Perhaps they shall move on if they do not see it.
Found it, the name of the garage is Cooks Ferry engineering, 0208 8042002
Theirs it not a relocate, they disable the port and provide a way of enabling it when required, like when it goes in for a service. 
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Cheib
6,504 posts
45 months
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AndyM31 said: If memory serves me right, I remember reading of an independent in Enfield who will relocate OBD for a small fee of 95 GBP incl. tax. Spoke to muy local garage and they say that such work would not invalidate any warranties so mine will be going there soon.
I'll try and locate the name of the garage and come back. As for any lurking people who stalk cars, could I suggest a temporary stay in a secure garage to help get the vehicle out of heart and sight. Perhaps they shall move on if they do not see it.
Found it, the name of the garage is Cooks Ferry engineering, 0208 8042002
Cooks Ferry have been around for a long time....I remember buying parts for my old E36 328i Sport back in '96 off them. (Bought some clear lens indicators like the M3 Evo had....does that make me a chav  )
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j80jpw
139 posts
32 months
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WeirdNeville said: JulietRomeo said: Think mine is about to disappear from east London in the next few days - neighbour spotted some shifty looking buggers taking pictures of my albeit old 06 reg 320dm about 4 days ago... Pics probably sent abroad and the car maybe being advertised already....@rse, this may prompt me to switch to a 159 Q4 Ti ... Diable the OBD port, park it under CCTV, and get a crook lock on it pronto! (or a wheel clamp0 Or surround it in 1cm deep snow... 
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AndyM31
804 posts
75 months
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j80jpw said: WeirdNeville said: JulietRomeo said: Think mine is about to disappear from east London in the next few days - neighbour spotted some shifty looking buggers taking pictures of my albeit old 06 reg 320dm about 4 days ago... Pics probably sent abroad and the car maybe being advertised already....@rse, this may prompt me to switch to a 159 Q4 Ti ... Diable the OBD port, park it under CCTV, and get a crook lock on it pronto! (or a wheel clamp0 Or surround it in 1cm deep snow... Like that
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Hazley
2 posts
13 months
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Hi guys,
I doubt this is of much info to you but I work for a tracking company that fits the devices on X5's, X6's etc as standard.
We've had loads of BMW's stolen without the keys this year, mainly in London and Birmingham. We even had one yesterday. It's happening everyday.
Unfortunately theres not a lot we can do as a tracking company which isn't helping us very much! Success rate for BMW's recovered is at an all time low!
We only receive an alarm when the thieves disconnect the tracking device. We do however get a location where they ripped it out, but the thieves have obviously already disappeared by this point!. The tracking device is normally found in the bushes by the police.We also can find out the last location of when the vehicle's ignition was turned off which is quite useful, however not if the device has been ripped out!.
It's worth pointing out that the Met Police have been quite disappointing in being proactive regarding these thefts. I'm not going to slag them off but they rarely ever send units to a location given straight away. Their excuse is that they have much more high grade incidents to deal with..
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joe_90
3,389 posts
101 months
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Hazley said: Hi guys,
I doubt this is of much info to you but I work for a tracking company that fits the devices on X5's, X6's etc as standard.
We've had loads of BMW's stolen without the keys this year, mainly in London and Birmingham. We even had one yesterday. It's happening everyday.
Unfortunately theres not a lot we can do as a tracking company which isn't helping us very much! Success rate for BMW's recovered is at an all time low!
We only receive an alarm when the thieves disconnect the tracking device. We do however get a location where they ripped it out, but the thieves have obviously already disappeared by this point!. The tracking device is normally found in the bushes by the police.We also can find out the last location of when the vehicle's ignition was turned off which is quite useful, however not if the device has been ripped out!.
It's worth pointing out that the Met Police have been quite disappointing in being proactive regarding these thefts. I'm not going to slag them off but they rarely ever send units to a location given straight away. Their excuse is that they have much more high grade incidents to deal with.. So the advice is not to buy a tracker, as they are 100% useless? And why would you not put the devices where they cannot be 'ripped out'? or if they are ripped out disable the car?
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Deva Link
26,934 posts
115 months
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Hazley said: It's worth pointing out that the Met Police have been quite disappointing in being proactive regarding these thefts. With that knowledge, you'd have to be mental to buy a BMW is you lived in the London area. I guess the Met are waiting for their customary bung before they do anything.
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toxicnerve
5,448 posts
47 months
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A lot of these thefts are leaving no trace of glass on the floor so it is likely they are just busting the lock, albeit quietly.
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neilkav
Original Poster
32 posts
15 months
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No broken glass when mine was stolen in Birmingham, my car was still in my drive 3 hours after i parked, so i doubt it was a jammer either. however they got in, no alarm went off.
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Cheib
6,504 posts
45 months
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Band0 said: Hear some owners are losing them within 7 days of purchase or a few days of a service. Keys are being copied at dealerships/garages etc, and they tend to have your address details..
Ain't too hard to find the car Really ? Haven't heard much about that. Though there was one chap who posted earlier in the thread who had a new 7 series taken I think.
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ArsE92
17,189 posts
57 months
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Band0 said: Frequency grabbers can work up a radius of 50 mtrs, and some of these gadgets can be left near to a car for a period of time and captures it as and when you use your key. There's a world of difference between 'jammers' and 'grabbers'. Are you saying there's a device that can grab the encrypted rolling code that is used to open the car and write this to a new device? I don't think such a device exists. Or are you referring to the jammers that will simply stop the 'lock' signal reaching the car, thus leaving it open for the scumbag to open the door at will and gain access to the OBD port?
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