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WheresMyCar

43 posts

14 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
Roop said:
Fix...? Not sure, but one slightly crude method - There are (IIRC) 16 pins in an ODBC loom. Get a competent auto-electrician to snip the wires a few inches upstream from the ODBC port and splice in a non-ODBC 16 pin plug and socket. In fact if you are handy with a soldering iron and have got a Maplins nearby, you can do it yourself. Keep the original (and now removeable) ODBC connector somewhere safe and away from the car. Simply plug it back in when the car goes for service in order that technicians can hook up the diag kit.
There aren't 16 pins connected. When I 'played' with the OBD port in my car, I counted 5 (maybe 6) pins connected. Definitely not all 16.

Bugger me though, that's a lot of cars being taken. How does that compare to other makes though? I have no idea how many cars are nicked each day, and don't have a feel if the number of BMWs is disproportional.

Edited by WheresMyCar on Thursday 24th May 13:57

ArsE92

17,161 posts

57 months

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Cheib said:
Band0 said:
Bizy in Birmingham yesterday -

X5 4.0
X5 3.0
520D M
118D M
123D M
M3 (2011)

All gone ! with smashed glass at 4 of them
You are obviously very well informed....out of interest do you work for the police ? Noticed this is the only thread you have posted in.

As such is there anything that you can post in a public forum which would be useful to us BMW owners.
How do you know what he is saying is true?! He's already stated that the scumbags are using code-grabbers to grab the code when a driver 'blips' their car, and then create a new key and use that to open the car. Which as far as I know is impossible and another PH'er agreed.

Sorry but I don't trust anyone that joins up specifically to post in this thread and makes these kinds of claims.

And what the fk does 'Bizy' mean?! laugh

stuart-b

2,594 posts

96 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
ArsE92 said:
How do you know what he is saying is true?! He's already stated that the scumbags are using code-grabbers to grab the code when a driver 'blips' their car, and then create a new key and use that to open the car. Which as far as I know is impossible and another PH'er agreed.

Sorry but I don't trust anyone that joins up specifically to post in this thread and makes these kinds of claims.

And what the fk does 'Bizy' mean?! laugh
Sorry not strictly true:-

RKE stuff said:
Research to be presented at the Network and Distributed System Security Symposium in February 2011 in San Diego will demonstrate a system whereby with the use of two antennas and other specialized equipment (costing between $100 and $1,000), vehicles can be tricked into opening. However, that system requires that one antenna be within eight meters of the key and the other located very close to the vehicle. It is expected car manufacturers will devise ways to circumvent the new methodology.
I expect there are ways to crack the key fobs, or to intercept certain parts - for example, if you press twice, you arm the BMW locks without the alarm. What's to say the "key" they send isn't the same? In theory, you could capture the data, and re-send it, thus, disarming the alarm. I don't know the in's and out's of car alarm systems, but if people are clever enough to break SSLv2, WEP/WPA, and use clusters of cloud computers to cracked hashed SHA1/MD5, I wouldn't put it past very clever individuals.

kcooperman

16 posts

14 months

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Just because there is no glass on the floor does not mean the glass hasnt been broken.

They may have just covered the window with a blanket or something to mask the sound and trap the glass.

Either that or they are forcing there way in via the lock.

I very much doubt they are "hacking" the alarm as some people are suggesting..


Slashmb

286 posts

127 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
Should I let this situation stop me buying a 118d M Sport?

There have been a number of 1 series' taken according to this thread and it has diluted my interest in buying one somewhat.

If I did get one, I would be altering the OBD socket in some way as soon as I get the car home.

Has anyone not bought a BMW as a direct result of this thread?
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PPPMAT

17 posts

100 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
My neignbours 1 series was taken in the same way 4 weeks before my M3 apparently so they will go for a 1er. I wouldn't say don't buy one but I would as a minimum secure the OBD port and consider a secondary alarm and/or immobiliser.

richtea78

2,821 posts

28 months

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Band0 said:
Bizy in Birmingham yesterday -

X5 4.0
X5 3.0
520D M
118D M
123D M
M3 (2011)

All gone ! with smashed glass at 4 of them
The perfect example of what I mentioned yesterday, someone with a new account posting wild claims without a scrap of evidence. Can you back this up with anything in the way of evidence?

At least give us a source!

LooneyTunes

2,507 posts

28 months

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ArsE92 said:
LooneyTunes said:
ArsE92 said:
Or are you referring to the jammers that will simply stop the 'lock' signal reaching the car, thus leaving it open for the scumbag to open the door at will and gain access to the OBD port?
What ever happened to auto-locking after a period parked up?

I know some aftermarket systems in the 90s did this. Surely it's a simple way of addressing one potential vulnerability (and could be done via system update)?
I think they only auto-lock if you have previously unlocked the car and not opened the door.
That's what usually happens these days, yes. But in the 90's it used to be a case of lock x seconds or minutes after period of inactivity. Did however catch out one of my friends who accidentally discovered the lock time was less than the time taken to fill tank and pay for fuel!

Fox-

10,027 posts

116 months

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Slashmb said:
Should I let this situation stop me buying a 118d M Sport?
No, let the fact it's no more economical than the faster 120d stop you instead.

NelsonR32

654 posts

41 months

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Would be fairly easy to keep the glass contained with one of these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioeKRdJp2vE

richtea78

2,821 posts

28 months

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NelsonR32 said:
Would be fairly easy to keep the glass contained with one of these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioeKRdJp2vE
Spark plug is cheaper and probably as effective?

toxicnerve

5,432 posts

47 months

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Fox- said:
Slashmb said:
Should I let this situation stop me buying a 118d M Sport?
No, let the fact it's no more economical than the faster 120d stop you instead.
hehe

Clivey

1,476 posts

74 months

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Evening all,

Firstly, best wishes to those that have had the misfortune to have their cars stolen. I've been lucky enough that this has never happened to me, but I can only imagine the helplessness, as well as the fury that you must all feel. furious

I really hope the scum that are doing this get their comeuppance (anyone thought about electrifying their OBD port? evil). - I'm glad to see that some Police forces are note using "bait cars". Hopefully this leads to the apprehension of these scrotes and means the criminals will think twice about attempting to steal cars for fear of getting caught. Personally, I'd cut their hands off, blind them and leave them to suffer VBRJ from the prison system's lifers.

However, BMWs attitude so far is disgusting IMHO and if I had an order with them at the moment, I would have definitely cancelled it until this matter is adequately resolved (and made the big wigs at BMW UK aware of my reasons and the fact that it'd have cost them money).

Does anyone know if Mini vehicles that also use the electronic key are affected (I imagine they use the same electronics as regular BMW models)? There are a couple in the family and if necessary I'll take precautions to keep them in our hands.

As a society, we are appallingly soft in dealing with this vermin. We shouldn't tolerate their thieving (and other crimes) - screw their "Ooman rights", they shold be made to suffer when caught. They cause absolute misery for the upstanding members of society that can be bothered to EARN their belongings. shoot

As for the cars being exported: It's clear that tougher regulations and checks are needed at our ports. Considering all that is possible with modern technology, there must be a solution. In addition, governments that allow these criminal gangs to operate unchecked need to be held to account. I'm in the computer industry and there are currently massive problems with scammers from overseas targeting the UK public, particularly the elderly and vulnerable. It's a disgusting situation that needs addressing one way or another. - Criminals shouldn't be able to target us and then hide overseas from reprisals.

premio

667 posts

34 months

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This is just another one of those scaremongering threads that pop up about pretty much any car. If i beleieved everything i read about BMWs then my alloys would also be cracked, my indicators wouldnt work and my sat nav would have sent me to another country.

Pretty much every car i've owned has had a chain of online stories that would put me off buying it. Same goes for the food we eat, technically we should all have died by now if any of that was true.

I do feel sorry for those who have had their cars stolen - but unless anyone actually saw their car be stolen with one of these gadgets, then its all pure speculation and i for one won't be paying the blindest bit of notice to it. If my BWW gets nicked with a grabber, this thread will be the first to find out!

Oh and by the way, genuine question did those who think the dealers copied their keys tell the police, and did the police follow this up - they should take this sort of thing seriously and it would be very easy for BMW dealer to find out if a key was copied?

Edited by premio on Saturday 26th May 09:44

2.5pi

333 posts

52 months

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Hello premio

Nice head in sand tactics. smile

In the context of your post I ve had 2 cracked alloys -535d, Sat nav disc drive replaced twice,-645 and suffered Pan roof failure-E61 ,

So far no theft ...but fingers crossed eh?!

toxicnerve

5,432 posts

47 months

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I think there's more to this story. The fact that a dealer group has acknowledge the issue says it all...

Brite spark

1,183 posts

71 months

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kcooperman said:
Just because there is no glass on the floor does not mean the glass hasnt been broken.

They may have just covered the window with a blanket or something to mask the sound and trap the glass.

Either that or they are forcing there way in via the lock.

I very much doubt they are "hacking" the alarm as some people are suggesting..
Some may use jammers or break the glass, etc but opening the car is easy using the lock, tools are available to do it, unlocking and opening the door on my 1er set the alarm off, however if the lock is turned and held in position the window winds down, as it does when the unlock button is pressed and held on the key fob and no alarm goes off, even if someone climbs into the car, plug in obd coder for new key to start it and away the car goes with no damage and a blade can be cut to match the locks that have been picked

TotalZ4

72 posts

17 months

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Saturday 26th May 2012 quote quote all
Ideally the connector port would be better off in the glovebox,but the the owner then has to remember to keep it locked at all times.

It's a sad state of affairs really,is it only common in the UK?

Major Fallout

4,109 posts

101 months

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2.5pi said:
Hello premio

Nice head in sand tactics. smile

In the context of your post I ve had 2 cracked alloys -535d, Sat nav disc drive replaced twice,-645 and suffered Pan roof failure-E61 ,

So far no theft ...but fingers crossed eh?!
Only 2! You're lucky I have had 3 bent and 3 cracked.

But my satnav works smile

WeirdNeville

4,525 posts

85 months

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premio said:
This is just another one of those scaremongering threads that pop up about pretty much any car. <snip>unless anyone actually saw their car be stolen with one of these gadgets, then its all pure speculation and i for one won't be paying the blindest bit of notice to it. If my BWW gets nicked with a grabber, this thread will be the first to find out!
It isn't speculation. BMW's are the ONLY premium cars being stolen without keys right now.

premio said:
Oh and by the way, genuine question did those who think the dealers copied their keys tell the police, and did the police follow this up - they should take this sort of thing seriously and it would be very easy for BMW dealer to find out if a key was copied?
That's the whole point. You don't need to copy a key. You don't even need a key to the vehicle present. You just need this device, access to the OB port, and any old (compatible) BMW key.
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