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JulietRomeo
19 posts
16 months
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Careful careful, could be the guys who are pulling of the steals who sell you an obd disabled sticker. They'll then know you have a tasty model, your address, and that you don't have the obd port disabled.
I really need to go out and get a disclock...
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Clivey
1,461 posts
73 months
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JulietRomeo said: Careful careful, could be the guys who are pulling of the steals who sell you an obd disabled sticker. They'll then know you have a tasty model, your address, and that you don't have the obd port disabled.
I really need to go out and get a disclock... I didn't mean fake stickers...
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aussieinlondon
491 posts
88 months
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r999
63 posts
23 months
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ArsE92 said: There must be a PH'er who can knock these up for a few quid. Bit of profit for them, a bit of peace of mind for us. I'd happily pay a few quid for a pair. Quite so. Though I'd prefer one with the same text in English, French, and German, in preparation for this summer's travels. No fake messages here: the electrician at my BMW dealer is nearly ready to disable the OBD port for me by cutting both data lines and inserting a switch. The work will be at my expense, but the dealership will stand behind it and sort any snags that might arise. The electrician does not expect any problems as a result of cutting into those circuits. The nice thing about a hidden switch in the data lines to the OBD port is that I never need to remember to set it, as it can be left switched off the whole time except when the car needs to go into the dealer (or when I want to plug in my Bluetooth/Android OBD diagnostic reader, which keeps the dealer busy handling warranty claims for faults that I wouldn't otherwise know about).
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sinizter
3,346 posts
55 months
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r999 said: No fake messages here: the electrician at my BMW dealer is nearly ready to disable the OBD port for me by cutting both data lines and inserting a switch. The work will be at my expense, but the dealership will stand behind it and sort any snags that might arise. The electrician does not expect any problems as a result of cutting into those circuits. Which dealer ?
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AndyM31
804 posts
74 months
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sinizter said: r999 said: No fake messages here: the electrician at my BMW dealer is nearly ready to disable the OBD port for me by cutting both data lines and inserting a switch. The work will be at my expense, but the dealership will stand behind it and sort any snags that might arise. The electrician does not expect any problems as a result of cutting into those circuits. Which dealer ? Please say, it is of interest.
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r999
63 posts
23 months
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sinizter said: Which dealer ? It's a dealer in the east of Scotland. I don't want to disclose my location more precisely. If anyone within reach has a good reason for wanting to know which dealer, I might reply to an email. There are only two people at the dealership who know anything about the issue, and there were none until I raised it. Also I'd guess they might not be interested in helping out non-regular customers with a non-standard mod - I've been spending money there for 16 years and they can't easily say no.
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sinizter
3,346 posts
55 months
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r999 said: It's a dealer in the east of Scotland. I don't want to disclose my location more precisely. If anyone within reach has a good reason for wanting to know which dealer, I might reply to an email.
There are only two people at the dealership who know anything about the issue, and there were none until I raised it. Also I'd guess they might not be interested in helping out non-regular customers with a non-standard mod - I've been spending money there for 16 years and they can't easily say no. Fair enough. Too far for me.
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mrmr96
11,958 posts
73 months
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r999 said: It's a dealer in the east of Scotland. I don't want to disclose my location more precisely. If anyone within reach has a good reason for wanting to know which dealer, I might reply to an email.
There are only two people at the dealership who know anything about the issue, and there were none until I raised it. Also I'd guess they might not be interested in helping out non-regular customers with a non-standard mod - I've been spending money there for 16 years and they can't easily say no. By which you mean that if they install a "hidden switch" but the location of such a switch is known to a lot of customers, then some of those customers might turn out to be thieves who then know where this hidden switch is, negating its effectiveness. This will be a potential problem for a great many "security mods" because if they become well known to a few people, then so does the method of bypass.
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r999
63 posts
23 months
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mrmr96 said: By which you mean that if they install a "hidden switch" but the location of such a switch is known to a lot of customers, then some of those customers might turn out to be thieves who then know where this hidden switch is, negating its effectiveness. Well, yes, but I'm not much concerned about that aspect. I will choose the location of the switch. In any case, we know these thefts are carried out mostly by reaching into the car with an arm, often in the dark, and getting to the OBD socket. In that situation, if the OBD socket fails to respond, the thief has very little scope, or time, to start groping in the dark for a switch that might be anywhere, and might not exist at all. It would be a different matter if the thief could get into the car and have a good hunt around, but that would trigger the alarm - at least I hope it would, in the light of what we now know about its shortcomings.
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stuart-b
2,588 posts
95 months
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r999 said: Well, yes, but I'm not much concerned about that aspect. I will choose the location of the switch. In any case, we know these thefts are carried out mostly by reaching into the car with an arm, often in the dark, and getting to the OBD socket. In that situation, if the OBD socket fails to respond, the thief has very little scope, or time, to start groping in the dark for a switch that might be anywhere, and might not exist at all. It would be a different matter if the thief could get into the car and have a good hunt around, but that would trigger the alarm - at least I hope it would, in the light of what we now know about its shortcomings. Not sure why it hasn't been mentioned more often, but the best alarm system for this has to be the Clifford Avantguard with Blackjax (Anti car jacking module). When I get my Coupe in a couple of weeks, this is the first thing going on. You have a small keypad which you must enter a combination after you start the car, otherwise the engine will cut off and the alarm go off. Even if they make it 50 metres down the road, the car will be secure, and the alarm going off, with minimal damage to your car (hopefully). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVuaurrIm8M
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gowmonster
1,307 posts
36 months
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stuart-b said: r999 said: Well, yes, but I'm not much concerned about that aspect. I will choose the location of the switch. In any case, we know these thefts are carried out mostly by reaching into the car with an arm, often in the dark, and getting to the OBD socket. In that situation, if the OBD socket fails to respond, the thief has very little scope, or time, to start groping in the dark for a switch that might be anywhere, and might not exist at all. It would be a different matter if the thief could get into the car and have a good hunt around, but that would trigger the alarm - at least I hope it would, in the light of what we now know about its shortcomings. Not sure why it hasn't been mentioned more often, but the best alarm system for this has to be the Clifford Avantguard with Blackjax (Anti car jacking module). When I get my Coupe in a couple of weeks, this is the first thing going on. You have a small keypad which you must enter a combination after you start the car, otherwise the engine will cut off and the alarm go off. Even if they make it 50 metres down the road, the car will be secure, and the alarm going off, with minimal damage to your car (hopefully). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVuaurrIm8M a code you say, woot it's 1995 again! scarey it has come to this.
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rosino
175 posts
41 months
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mellyE92 said: Hi,
What a marathon thread. I hope BMW come clean and do something about this otherwise I can see them loosing a lot of custom.
Unfortunately I had my BMW E92 335d stolen last Tuesday night (west london). It has been recovered without damage (other than the panels in the boot being dismantled and the OBDC port cover loose in the driver footwell). Another example of the car being taken without keys which remain safely in my custody. These must be the same guys who took mine in West London last week. Recovered the car within hours in a Mayfair car park!! It must be so easy for them that they just go for anything they can get hold of. Mine had no damage whatsoever.. Not to the locks.. To nothing. Except interior passenger and boot trim removed looking for tracker... And of course the OBD port cover removed. Now, I will have the OBD port disabled but my question is.. If they have cloned a key out of my system... Is it too late? Shall I have the coding reset at BMW? They wouldn't bear the cost of course.. I have complained to dealer, customer service at various levels.. Nothing,, they don't care. So OBD off and recoding? Or OBD off should suffice?
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rosino
175 posts
41 months
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This thread is useful btw. If I had seen it before I would have done smth to prevent the theft of my beloved M3...
Can't we make it STICKY ? Here or in BMW section?
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rosino
175 posts
41 months
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tonker said: If your door manufacturer wants people to come back and buy another door from him then he'll find the simple fix.
What is annoying people is that BMW outwardly is not admitting the issue, and their PR is embarrassingly lame.... "we meet comply with standards" - that's the sort of carp you expect from a local councillor caught using expenses money on gay massages..... I think everyone accepts that there are things that take time to sort, and we'd be a lot less critical if they said "Look, we have become aware of this, we are working on it and we'll sort out the cars that come in for a service/warranty work as and when they come in as soon as we have a fix. In the meantime, if you like it, you shoulda putta disklok on it. Please bear with us." But they don't - they suck donkey balls at how they are managing their customers. They talk about brand loyalty. Those customers WILL remember just how loyal to their customers BMW was when it comes to ticking the box for a new car. Cannot agree more. I told them this is my last BMW. The corporate BS they gave me not to admit they have am issue is just embarrassing.
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WeirdNeville
4,220 posts
84 months
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rosino said: So OBD off and recoding? Or OBD off should suffice? You need to recode it. Somewhere out there there is a key you don't have which will open and start your car. And they know where they nicked it from last time!
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richtea78
2,723 posts
27 months
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rosino said: These must be the same guys who took mine in West London last week. Recovered the car within hours in a Mayfair car park!! It must be so easy for them that they just go for anything they can get hold of. Mine had no damage whatsoever.. Not to the locks.. To nothing. Except interior passenger and boot trim removed looking for tracker... And of course the OBD port cover removed.
Now, I will have the OBD port disabled but my question is.. If they have cloned a key out of my system... Is it too late? Shall I have the coding reset at BMW? They wouldn't bear the cost of course.. I have complained to dealer, customer service at various levels.. Nothing,, they don't care.
So OBD off and recoding? Or OBD off should suffice? Its fairly common for cars to be parked up somewhere after they are stolen and the thieves cant find a tracker. They then leave it to see if anyone recovers it, if they dont then they know it isnt tracked. Why risk having your base turned over if a car does have a tracker you cant find. If it doesnt you just collect the car a week later. (To add so I dont look totally dodgy, I was told this by a policeman friend of the family, its not me stealing the BMWs although given the info on this thread it would be relatively easy to do!)
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gizard
1,965 posts
152 months
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richtea78 said: Its fairly common for cars to be parked up somewhere after they are stolen and the thieves cant find a tracker. They then leave it to see if anyone recovers it, if they dont then they know it isnt tracked. Why risk having your base turned over if a car does have a tracker you cant find. If it doesnt you just collect the car a week later.
(To add so I dont look totally dodgy, I was told this by a policeman friend of the family, its not me stealing the BMWs although given the info on this thread it would be relatively easy to do!) This is excatly what happened to a car my brother had some years ago - long story short they found a tracker membership card (what they didn't know was that it was for a different car!) - so assumed it had a tracker and parked it up - but not before changing the number plates - luckily an off duty copper spied the fact that the plates didn't match the Tax disc - called it in - coppers then waited and caught the feckers who came back for it...
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Cheib
6,238 posts
44 months
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stuart-b said: Not sure why it hasn't been mentioned more often, but the best alarm system for this has to be the Clifford Avantguard with Blackjax (Anti car jacking module). When I get my Coupe in a couple of weeks, this is the first thing going on. You have a small keypad which you must enter a combination after you start the car, otherwise the engine will cut off and the alarm go off. Even if they make it 50 metres down the road, the car will be secure, and the alarm going off, with minimal damage to your car (hopefully). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVuaurrIm8MHow much does that cost ?
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t8cmf
207 posts
29 months
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Cheib said: How much does that cost ? You can get the standalone Blackjax 5 system online for about £90-100. This gives you the anti-carjacking feature without having to have an existing Clifford alarm fitted. Not sure how much to fit though. I'm thinking of this myself although I've been told that it will bring up error codes on my E92 M3's dashboard. This is why I haven't done it yet.
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