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samird
3 posts
12 months
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Hi all... I've got a BMW X5. On the Jubilee weekend, I parked my car and went into the house but i was in quite a hurry. Im not 100% sure if locked the car. At about 1:30am my nephew who had been at his friends house (yeah yeah) calls my mobile to tell me theres someone in the X5. I bolted out of bed and ran out. Within those few minutes, the c**k had realised he's been caught and got out the car and walked round the coarner and legged it. My nephew saw him sitting in the passengers seat.
Now for the life of, i cant say with 100% certaintity i locked the car. I reckon he was an opportunist and trying find anything of value, he had opened the glove box but i never leave anything in the car so nothing for him to take (There was a pack of murray mints which he did not touch)
Im thinking if he was trying to nick the car, he would have done what he had to to drive off but im not sure if he got rumbled or as i said, taking a chance as the car was maybe open.
I called BMW main dealers and he said if someone wants to nick a car they will..they are usually stolen to order. The computer a thief needs to connect to on an X5 is near the lever to open the bonnet and not on the passenger side i read in one of the posts earlier.
Im going to buy a disclock to as as a deterrent.
Question is, if i did lock the car, how did he get in, and has he got the details he needs for a second hit...it's been nearly a 3 weeks now and everuthing is ok...
Im onto a builder to sort my garage out so i can sleep more easy at night...
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AndyM31
804 posts
75 months
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Cheib said: M3333 said: aeropilot said:  Especially with BMW as a major London Olympics sponsor providing all the car transportation etc for all the officals etc. Maybe someone should buy a decoder and some keys then make all the Olympic cars 'disappear' That would be an interesting BMW Press release! I saw a Met Police 12 reg X5 today....perhaps the scum bags could nick that! I think we saw the same one. Did it even have the twitter address showing on the side? The one I saw was in Notting Hill. I know I saw one in the BMW garage (workshop) in Battersea as well.
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Mr Bimmer
257 posts
34 months
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Come on Guys, isn't it time some of you took responsibility for YOUR own cars like in the old days?
It's not rocket science to fit a hidden kill switch or similar until things are resolved.
Up until recently the BMW security has always been looked upon as virtually unbeatable. Now the scum have found a way in like they will with any security system.It's like a game of catch up.
BMW will get this sorted, but in the meantime don't you think the owners should do their bit? If you get burgled at home, do you blame the house builder? No. The first thing you do after the break in is to improve the locks and fit an alarm.
Surely prevention is better than cure.
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neilkav
Original Poster
32 posts
15 months
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Mr Bimmer, I think we all now by now you probably work for BMW, and you don't have talk some rubbish. If I went to spend £50k on a car and was told by the dealer that they were easy to steal and their security system had been cracked and i still went ahead and bought it, then yes i suppose it would be my fault for not listening. however in my case and eveyone esle on this forum who had their car stolen, one of the main reasons we paid the money for a BMW was for their security, and all the dealers saying "just keep you keys safe and you car will be safe" when they knew for a facy this was a lie. So back in your BMW box please Mr Bimmer.
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tonker
44,037 posts
118 months
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Mr Bimmer said: BMW will get this sorted, but in the meantime don't you think the owners should do their bit? If you get burgled at home, do you blame the house builder? No. The first thing you do after the break in is to improve the locks and fit an alarm. If my builder fits doors that have only one kind of key and then sells a master key to anyone who asks (or they are so easy to copy that any fool can do it), then it's not the same thing, is it ? And tell me, will my builder honour the NHBC warranty when someone else has chopped and changed the wiring about - er nope.
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Cheib
6,495 posts
45 months
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Mr Bimmer said: Up until recently the BMW security has always been looked upon as virtually unbeatable.. Like f  k it has. The locking wheel nuts they used to fit which you could get off with a large screwdriver were just ludiccrous. I could go on but you've consistently talked utter garbage on this thread so I won't waste my energy.
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r999
63 posts
24 months
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tonker said: And tell me, will my builder honour the NHBC warranty when someone else has chopped and changed the wiring about - er nope. So do what I've done: get your BMW dealer to fit kill switches and to give an explicit promise that they will stand by their work if any snags arise.
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tonker
44,037 posts
118 months
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r999 said: So do what I've done: get your BMW dealer to fit kill switches and to give an explicit promise that they will stand by their work if any snags arise. and we'll see if they stand behind that promise if it screws up something major (I know it shouldn't, but that's the problem with CANBUS wiring). Especially when that service manager moves on. And it's still not right that this builder can simply 'offer you a set of guard dogs' rather than to replace the door locks - just because it's easier for him to do - and also not right that he's still building houses with door locks he KNOWS are ones that are vulnerable to this.
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r999
63 posts
24 months
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tonker said: And we'll see if they stand behind that promise if it screws up something major (I know it shouldn't, but that's the problem with CANBUS wiring). Especially when that service manager moves on. Well, it's been in place for a while and in reality it hasn't screwed up anything. And the electrician at the dealer, whom I have spoken to often and whose work is very good, assures me the CANBUS is not involved and nothing else will be affected. Moreover, if a problem arose with something major, then going by past experience the dealer would remedy it under the BMW warranty and so shift the cost (which is one reason why I am not giving any clues about who the dealer is, as BMW have procedures to catch warranty cost-shifting). tonker said: And it's still not right that this builder can simply 'offer you a set of guard dogs' rather than to replace the door locks - just because it's easier for him to do - and also not right that he's still building houses with door locks he KNOWS are ones that are vulnerable to this. I agree entirely with the spirit of that comment. In my case, though, I proposed the remedy; it wasn't offered by either the dealer or BMW and wasn't anyone's easy option. Far from the dealer fobbing me off with this solution, they didn't even know about the problem until I told them - which is perhaps an indictment in itself, but a rather different one from yours. I regard the work as nothing more than a short-term measure to get me through until the day when a proper fix is available.
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Steffan
6,221 posts
98 months
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neilkav said: Mr Bimmer, I think we all now by now you probably work for BMW, and you don't have talk some rubbish. If I went to spend £50k on a car and was told by the dealer that they were easy to steal and their security system had been cracked and i still went ahead and bought it, then yes i suppose it would be my fault for not listening. however in my case and eveyone esle on this forum who had their car stolen, one of the main reasons we paid the money for a BMW was for their security, and all the dealers saying "just keep you keys safe and you car will be safe" when they knew for a facy this was a lie. So back in your BMW box please Mr Bimmer. I do think that the "advice" by Mr Bimmer is heavily slanted towards whitewashing the BMW name. Not really very helpful. And transparent. More publicity must be the best defense.
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barbzd
4 posts
13 months
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rosino said: mellyE92 said: Hi,
What a marathon thread. I hope BMW come clean and do something about this otherwise I can see them loosing a lot of custom.
Unfortunately I had my BMW E92 335d stolen last Tuesday night (west london). It has been recovered without damage (other than the panels in the boot being dismantled and the OBDC port cover loose in the driver footwell). Another example of the car being taken without keys which remain safely in my custody. These must be the same guys who took mine in West London last week. Recovered the car within hours in a Mayfair car park!! It must be so easy for them that they just go for anything they can get hold of. Mine had no damage whatsoever.. Not to the locks.. To nothing. Except interior passenger and boot trim removed looking for tracker... And of course the OBD port cover removed. Now, I will have the OBD port disabled but my question is.. If they have cloned a key out of my system... Is it too late? Shall I have the coding reset at BMW? They wouldn't bear the cost of course.. I have complained to dealer, customer service at various levels.. Nothing,, they don't care. So OBD off and recoding? Or OBD off should suffice? Same guys again??? My '09 E92 335d went April 24th from W9 (West London) and was found the same day in NW1 (next postcode across). They also looked in the boot for the tracker by removing the panels and left the obd cable out. And they stuck new plates on it but the police spotted it parked up. I've asked the dealer who sold it (Reading) if they can disable the additional key added by the thieves...am awaiting their response.
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tonker
44,037 posts
118 months
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genuine Q - my F11 has that remote entry thing - if I lose the keys, I can ask BMW to open it and start it remotely by satellite or does that emergency locating thing (like Onstar). Surely that means BMW can a) find out where my car is if it got nicked (so why bother with a Tracker) AND that BMw can remotely switch it off and could easily programme all new and similar cars so that, if told to switch off by BMW, it wouldn't restart at all, whichever key went in it - until BMW reset it ?
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Steffan
6,221 posts
98 months
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tonker said: genuine Q - my F11 has that remote entry thing - if I lose the keys, I can ask BMW to open it and start it remotely by satellite or does that emergency locating thing (like Onstar). Surely that means BMW can a) find out where my car is if it got nicked (so why bother with a Tracker) AND that BMw can remotely switch it off and could easily programme all new and similar cars so that, if told to switch off by BMW, it wouldn't restart at all, whichever key went in it - until BMW reset it ? Excellent question. But I think you need BMW to answer it assuming you can get them to admit that any of their cars can be stolen. I thought the earlier post from the hidden BMW employee was particularly unhelpful. Pity BMW cannot man up and admit and address the problem. I have never been a BMW fan, as I stated in my first post on here, but the shoddy treatment of the owners of stolen BMW cars, by BMW themselves, has even further reduced my admiration for the brand. I hope the situation is sorted quickly. I do not expect it to be.
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virgil
1,521 posts
94 months
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Just been directed here as been talking about a 550 I'm just about to pick up...
So what's the scoup with the type of key/car being nicked (50 pages is a lot to trawl through)...are we talking only about the ones where you key is all plastic and there's no mechanical 'key' bit - these are only on the face lifted 5 series??
My '05 645 has a 'proper' key and I guess all is fine - if the '06 550 I'm picking up has a 'proper' key I guess all is still good too?? or is this ANY type of remote alarm key? (in which case as I wasn't worried before I won't be too worried now!)
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eastsider
680 posts
93 months
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virgil said: Just been directed here as been talking about a 550 I'm just about to pick up...
So what's the scoup with the type of key/car being nicked (50 pages is a lot to trawl through)...are we talking only about the ones where you key is all plastic and there's no mechanical 'key' bit - these are only on the face lifted 5 series??
My '05 645 has a 'proper' key and I guess all is fine - if the '06 550 I'm picking up has a 'proper' key I guess all is still good too?? or is this ANY type of remote alarm key? (in which case as I wasn't worried before I won't be too worried now!) Broadly, if car has "proper" key you put in ignition and twist, ok. If its a "lozenge" type key that goes in slot in dash, with stop/start button, not ok. Definitely not ok for E60 or E90 and derivatives thereof, roughly 06-11. My understanding is so far F-series cars are unaffected. The vast majority taken are 5 or 3 series, generally but not exclusively diesel, and top engines and specs. So 535d sport (mine), 335d sport, 335i, 135i particularly affected. Not exclusively though, 530, 520 etc have been taken. Not sure about X series but X5 is most stolen car in UK so must be. A 550 petrol probably low risk even if it has the wrong key but I think yours is pre-LCI stop/start button so should be ok hopefully...
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tonker
44,037 posts
118 months
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550i is a large risk ... export.
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va1o
11,755 posts
77 months
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tonker said: 550i is a large risk ... export. Agreed, and it can still have the electric key even if pre-LCI. The E60 key was updated in 2006
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eastsider
680 posts
93 months
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@virgill
Page 27 of this thread someone has posted pics of the different keys and there is discussion in the next few posts of which are affected.
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mellyE92
4 posts
12 months
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barbzd said: rosino said: mellyE92 said: Hi,
What a marathon thread. I hope BMW come clean and do something about this otherwise I can see them loosing a lot of custom.
Unfortunately I had my BMW E92 335d stolen last Tuesday night (west london). It has been recovered without damage (other than the panels in the boot being dismantled and the OBDC port cover loose in the driver footwell). Another example of the car being taken without keys which remain safely in my custody. These must be the same guys who took mine in West London last week. Recovered the car within hours in a Mayfair car park!! It must be so easy for them that they just go for anything they can get hold of. Mine had no damage whatsoever.. Not to the locks.. To nothing. Except interior passenger and boot trim removed looking for tracker... And of course the OBD port cover removed. Now, I will have the OBD port disabled but my question is.. If they have cloned a key out of my system... Is it too late? Shall I have the coding reset at BMW? They wouldn't bear the cost of course.. I have complained to dealer, customer service at various levels.. Nothing,, they don't care. So OBD off and recoding? Or OBD off should suffice? Same guys again??? My '09 E92 335d went April 24th from W9 (West London) and was found the same day in NW1 (next postcode across). They also looked in the boot for the tracker by removing the panels and left the obd cable out. And they stuck new plates on it but the police spotted it parked up. I've asked the dealer who sold it (Reading) if they can disable the additional key added by the thieves...am awaiting their response. Asked BMW what I should do. Their response was "Thank you for your email dated June 13, 2012. I have been in contact with our technical department and they have advise that you would need to get keys number 3 through to 10 barred in the vehicle at Holland Park. However, I must note that this would also stop any further keys being made, therefore, if you lose your own two keys you would need to purchase a complete new CAS control unit and key. I trust that this answers your enquiry, however, please do not hesitate to contact me, if I can be of further assistance. Yours sincerely BMW UK" Contacted dealer who said he would ask his technicians about it but still waiting for a reply a week later despite chasing - not impressive in the least.
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gf15
377 posts
136 months
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Nov 2005 650 (comfort Access) with the latter type key. Now with a little switch fitted. Thanks for the advice! 
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