New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys
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King Eric said:
Was told at the weekend about the X5 fix being done and a full recall.
<laughs at the thieves who bought the kit>
Oh wait. They'll just start breaking back into the houses to get the keys.
You cannot win!
This x 2<laughs at the thieves who bought the kit>
Oh wait. They'll just start breaking back into the houses to get the keys.
You cannot win!
The fundamental issue here is that "crime does pay". Until we get properly tough on crime, and make the penalties for repeat offenders draconian, then the people stealing cars will continue to do so by whatever method is easiest (be that car jacking, breaking into your house, sticking a knife in your face at a petrol station, or by electronic means)..........
No mate. There is a small area where the sensors do not detect the break in the glass. Hence the 1M owners comment about the small puddle of glass on the floor.
For the information you need see here:- http://www.securemycar.co.uk/bmw-stolen.html
Whether BMW release a workaround or not these guys do a secondary Viper system (which can include remote start etc) to add a layer of protection.
For the information you need see here:- http://www.securemycar.co.uk/bmw-stolen.html
Whether BMW release a workaround or not these guys do a secondary Viper system (which can include remote start etc) to add a layer of protection.
Max_Torque said:
This x 2
The fundamental issue here is that "crime does pay". Until we get properly tough on crime, and make the penalties for repeat offenders draconian, then the people stealing cars will continue to do so by whatever method is easiest (be that car jacking, breaking into your house, sticking a knife in your face at a petrol station, or by electronic means)..........
Exactly. Neighbour of mine was woken at 3am. Three masked men in his bedroom one with kitchen knife held above his head. 'gimme the keys to the Aston Martin'. No manner of computer wizardry can replace the old fashioned techniques. All thats happened here is a flaw was exploited, lots of cars got nicked in the depths of the night quietly and its taken BMW this long to admit it following social media pressures. Judging by the premium I paid only today on my new M3 (reasonable) its not really had an impact on the numbers. Just the methods. It will turn full circle and criminals are always looking for the next trick to beat the system. The fundamental issue here is that "crime does pay". Until we get properly tough on crime, and make the penalties for repeat offenders draconian, then the people stealing cars will continue to do so by whatever method is easiest (be that car jacking, breaking into your house, sticking a knife in your face at a petrol station, or by electronic means)..........
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.It appears the general consensus is the windows are smashed but my M3 was stolen last month without any damage to the windows, it was the lock they damaged and I'm still confused why the alarm didn't go off.
All I can say is I saw them and all I heard was a noise which was similar to opening the door and the warning noise to tell you your lights are still on - but I will say these guys are confident because when I stared at him he did not move one inch which is why my first thought was he is drunk. If he had made a sudden move I would have clocked on something was not right but by the time I got down, they were off!
I'm still worried about this so called fix because I spoke to BMW today and there was no evidence of a fix. I purchased a Disklok today for the 530 and will have to buy another one once the M3 comes back but in all honesty I think its sad when i say Im not too sure I want the headache of having the car back
All I can say is I saw them and all I heard was a noise which was similar to opening the door and the warning noise to tell you your lights are still on - but I will say these guys are confident because when I stared at him he did not move one inch which is why my first thought was he is drunk. If he had made a sudden move I would have clocked on something was not right but by the time I got down, they were off!
I'm still worried about this so called fix because I spoke to BMW today and there was no evidence of a fix. I purchased a Disklok today for the 530 and will have to buy another one once the M3 comes back but in all honesty I think its sad when i say Im not too sure I want the headache of having the car back
This is what BMW Australia used to do before they decided a few dollars per car was too expensive;
http://www.wired.com/cars/energy/news/2004/08/6450...
...will never suffer from an electronic counter measure made in China.
...yes I have an interest, but makeing a point as it wound me up to see the problem...and yes I have one of the models affected.
http://www.wired.com/cars/energy/news/2004/08/6450...
...will never suffer from an electronic counter measure made in China.
...yes I have an interest, but makeing a point as it wound me up to see the problem...and yes I have one of the models affected.
Hello all, I'm a BMW technician of 8 years and I would like to firstly point out that there is NO current solution to the problem. All the bumpf from BMW UK is just PR stuff at the moment.
I drive an E90 myself, and there is a simple, temporary solution.
The key needs to be coded via the OBD. This is found on the driver's side, usually in the door area next to your right leg.
The solution (that I have carried out to my own car) is to remove the OBD and relocate it elsewhere. If thieves break in and get the obd cover off and then can't locate the actual OBD connector plug, they will not be able to programme the car.
Remove the plastic panels under/surrounding the steering column and footwell. Next, unscrew the OBD (2 Philips screws) from it's mount, then relocate it among the rat's nest of wiring under the steering wheel (completely out of sight). Use electrical tape to secure it to another loom as far back as possible and hide the OBD plug among a heap of wires. Refit the trims and surroundings and hopefully that's you!
Unless a thief wants to spend around 30-45 minutes stripping a footwell and steering column then search a maze of wires to find a plug, they will have no joy in finding the OBD and will most likely bugger off to someone else's car.
Hole that helps for now
I drive an E90 myself, and there is a simple, temporary solution.
The key needs to be coded via the OBD. This is found on the driver's side, usually in the door area next to your right leg.
The solution (that I have carried out to my own car) is to remove the OBD and relocate it elsewhere. If thieves break in and get the obd cover off and then can't locate the actual OBD connector plug, they will not be able to programme the car.
Remove the plastic panels under/surrounding the steering column and footwell. Next, unscrew the OBD (2 Philips screws) from it's mount, then relocate it among the rat's nest of wiring under the steering wheel (completely out of sight). Use electrical tape to secure it to another loom as far back as possible and hide the OBD plug among a heap of wires. Refit the trims and surroundings and hopefully that's you!
Unless a thief wants to spend around 30-45 minutes stripping a footwell and steering column then search a maze of wires to find a plug, they will have no joy in finding the OBD and will most likely bugger off to someone else's car.
Hole that helps for now
SeanCorky said:
interesting, there is mention of 'extra technical measures', no mention if they will be fitted/downloaded(?) free of charge!Nicely rounded off with...
BMW UK said:
In addition: We recommend servicing your car at authorised BMW dealerships on a regular basis to give the opportunity of further enhancing theft protection
On Bimmerforums UK someones just posted -
If anybody is worried about this and has a BMW fitted with CAS 2 or CAS 3 (2006-2011), take your car down to your local BMW dealer and ask for the SOPT-enabled CAS firmware update. It stops these guys dead in their tracks...
So very confusing at the mo, be interested what dealers say tomorrow.
If anybody is worried about this and has a BMW fitted with CAS 2 or CAS 3 (2006-2011), take your car down to your local BMW dealer and ask for the SOPT-enabled CAS firmware update. It stops these guys dead in their tracks...
So very confusing at the mo, be interested what dealers say tomorrow.
Band0 said:
Ok - now I've posted a few entries on here before to which I deleted due to several issues I won't go into.
I continue to follow this topic, as I have done right from the very start (along with others on other sites) and lets say used it to my advantage from the knowledge and experience out there with regards to the "techi" side of OBD's,ECU/EMU'S, BIPPERS, TRACKERS, BLOCKERS, JAMMERS etc etc.
I'll be very upfront with you all and admit to being a cop - and this "little bit" (joking) of an issue has been my life for the past year. Apart from the "real" technical questions I could probably answer any question you have about this topic.
Obviously doing what I do I'm a little restricted on what I can share with you - so please don't be firing anything at me knowing I can't answer it for obvious data protection and/or legal reasons.
However for this first post I would just like to confirm that in the Midlands "we" are taking this very seriously, albeit its taken me a long time to get it to the stage we're at now (no I'm not a politician nor work for BMW). We have a vast amount of pro-active work going on in the identified hotspots areas for these thefts and when the opportunities arise we act quickly and over the past 9 months have had some great results. Obviously this news doesn't make the press, nor does it get to forums like this to offer some reassurance that vehicles and being found (whole / parts or just number plates) and offenders are being arrested, charged and convicted.
Comments such as the above "fedz are in on it" just goes to show that this positive news is NOT getting out.
I'm sure that other cops reading this will agree with me on this, and this problem comes down from Government level saying that "vehicle crime" is not a problem and the figures are falling, and for those practitioners such as myself, we are getting as frustrated as you guys out there losing your cars.
Anyway I hope to NOT get a barrage of abuse back as previously nor accused of actually stealing the cars myself (as easy as it is)
I comment from my own knowledge and experience from the past 12 months, which is not always right, as things change and have changed in this short period, in relation to "how they do it" & "who is doing it". Upgraded devices and software come on the market, bigger and better organised crime groups come along and have a go etc etc. It's fast moving but I'm trying to keep up.
Watchdog should be interesting tonight though, and very interesting CCTV evidence of exactly how they did that chaps 1M, which you've no doubt found and/or seen on YouTube.
What I will say is that there is NO evidence (at the moment) of any such device or software to overcome the new F series.
However for those monitoring certain websites to buy these devices, (as they can be purchased legitimately) you may just see an updated piece of hardware on the market soon.
One device being used is shown below (seized as evidence) which is one of several different variations we've come across.
The EdiLock & OBD cable, blank key and a window dotter
Very few cars are leaving the country, most are stripped for parts and the most being recovered are M3/M5 due to Tracker units fitted, but as we all know, theses can be removed within minutes, as most of them are fitted in the same place.
I know this is a BMW forum, however if you've got friends with an Audi, all models to date (04>) then please warn them this issue could soon happen to them too.
Someone mentioned a F going from North Birmingham over last weekend?
Unless I've completely missed that (which I doubt) I am not aware of it.
Thanks very much for your informative post, however if you put yourself in my position, I am in my mid 20s and have worked my arse off to study and work to get to a level where I can afford to drive an E92 BMW M3 (buying, insuring and running it), you can imagine that I pay 40% of my hard earned cash in taxes (I am pro taxes, however as long as I can see the society reaping benefits from it and it not going to waste). I continue to follow this topic, as I have done right from the very start (along with others on other sites) and lets say used it to my advantage from the knowledge and experience out there with regards to the "techi" side of OBD's,ECU/EMU'S, BIPPERS, TRACKERS, BLOCKERS, JAMMERS etc etc.
I'll be very upfront with you all and admit to being a cop - and this "little bit" (joking) of an issue has been my life for the past year. Apart from the "real" technical questions I could probably answer any question you have about this topic.
Obviously doing what I do I'm a little restricted on what I can share with you - so please don't be firing anything at me knowing I can't answer it for obvious data protection and/or legal reasons.
However for this first post I would just like to confirm that in the Midlands "we" are taking this very seriously, albeit its taken me a long time to get it to the stage we're at now (no I'm not a politician nor work for BMW). We have a vast amount of pro-active work going on in the identified hotspots areas for these thefts and when the opportunities arise we act quickly and over the past 9 months have had some great results. Obviously this news doesn't make the press, nor does it get to forums like this to offer some reassurance that vehicles and being found (whole / parts or just number plates) and offenders are being arrested, charged and convicted.
Comments such as the above "fedz are in on it" just goes to show that this positive news is NOT getting out.
I'm sure that other cops reading this will agree with me on this, and this problem comes down from Government level saying that "vehicle crime" is not a problem and the figures are falling, and for those practitioners such as myself, we are getting as frustrated as you guys out there losing your cars.
Anyway I hope to NOT get a barrage of abuse back as previously nor accused of actually stealing the cars myself (as easy as it is)
I comment from my own knowledge and experience from the past 12 months, which is not always right, as things change and have changed in this short period, in relation to "how they do it" & "who is doing it". Upgraded devices and software come on the market, bigger and better organised crime groups come along and have a go etc etc. It's fast moving but I'm trying to keep up.
Watchdog should be interesting tonight though, and very interesting CCTV evidence of exactly how they did that chaps 1M, which you've no doubt found and/or seen on YouTube.
What I will say is that there is NO evidence (at the moment) of any such device or software to overcome the new F series.
However for those monitoring certain websites to buy these devices, (as they can be purchased legitimately) you may just see an updated piece of hardware on the market soon.
One device being used is shown below (seized as evidence) which is one of several different variations we've come across.
The EdiLock & OBD cable, blank key and a window dotter
Very few cars are leaving the country, most are stripped for parts and the most being recovered are M3/M5 due to Tracker units fitted, but as we all know, theses can be removed within minutes, as most of them are fitted in the same place.
I know this is a BMW forum, however if you've got friends with an Audi, all models to date (04>) then please warn them this issue could soon happen to them too.
Someone mentioned a F going from North Birmingham over last weekend?
Unless I've completely missed that (which I doubt) I am not aware of it.
you can probably understand why I am so frustrated with the police, only a couple of days after the theft I received a letter from them saying the case was closed due to no further evidence and no mention of what you just stated above. To me it feels like the police know I have insurance (which still hasnt paid out) and dont give a monkey about the crime probably because as a victim i will get compensated by the insurers. What they fail to understand is that, this significantly adds to my insurance bill on my next car and probably will make another M3 or like for like AMG unaffordable. It seems they were more interested in stopping people for petty crimes than going after what really hurts the society, organised crime.
The reason I left that comment "feds are in on it too" I didnt mean to stereo-type but meant if about 500 BMWs have been taken, and from what I understand they are mostly petrol versions surely they must be leaving the country as logically for a thief who is stealing to break for parts it doesnt really matter if it is M, petrol or diesel. therefore if they are leaving the country, they cant be swimming over to mainland europe, they must either be taken by containers, ferries or eurostar. Surely to take that many cars by containers it must be a really strong network of people to make it happen, its not every tom dick and harry's job to run such a large scale organised car theft export and surely in between there are corrupt cops who shut their eyes and let them pass. Also you tell me if the police is monitoring the VIN numbers of cars crossing the boarder? the d--khead who took my beloved M3 could have rocked over to Dover and boarded a ferry while I was still asleep and had no idea he/she had taken my pride and joy and once it is in france they can do whatever the fark they want with it. Are petrol stations being monitored? my car couldnt have gone further than 30-40 miles as tank was near empty, are scrap yards being monitored for those who are periodically buying into written off BMWs as they can be using the spare to fix those for cheap and they have themselves a legitimate car to put on the front court...
At the end, I think all members who are affected by this would appreciate more pro-activeness by the police about this issue as well as more information passed on to us, had I known about this issue I would have done something about it but unfortunately you dont come across these topics unless you are a victim by which time it is too damn late.
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