F10 520d M Sport Auto - Magnificent, what a bloody car!

[cerb4.5lee]

E65Ross said:

Don't get me wrong, they're good cars but, imo, an executive cruiser should have an engine that's very smooth and refined. And that 20d engine isn't that.

I really couldn't agree more & I wouldn't mind if the 20d was a cracking engine but for me its by a country mile the worst BMW engine I have experienced, I loved my 5 series it was comfy & a lovely steer but the 20d was poor beyond belief & ruined it.

In fairness though I am in the minority as pretty much every BMW sold has that dreadful 4 pot diesel under its bonnet so either I must be talking out my backside or I know a decent engine when I experience one.

[slippery]

I think what us lot on here under estimate is quite how much more sensitive we are to fuel and cylinder numbers than the majority of the population who couldn't care less. I gave a friend a lift in my V8 petrol engined A8 a few weeks back and he actually asked if it was a diesel. No, it's not running rough or broken!
Times are changing I tell you!

[cerb4.5lee]

slippery said:

I think what us lot on here under estimate is quite how much more sensitive we are to fuel and cylinder numbers than the majority of the population who couldn't care less. I gave a friend a lift in my V8 petrol engined A8 a few weeks back and he actually asked if it was a diesel. No, it's not running rough or broken!
Times are changing I tell you!

I agree...I am just struggling to go with the times!!

Putting my sensible cap on for a second...high capacity & high cylinder petrol engines are dying by the minute & don't really make sense...but you can still buy relatively high capacity & high cylinder diesel engines...so why isn't that lousy 4 pot diesel dead yet?!!

[slippery]

cerb4.5lee said:

I agree...I am just struggling to go with the times!!

Putting my sensible cap on for a second...high capacity & high cylinder petrol engines are dying by the minute & don't really make sense...but you can still buy relatively high capacity & high cylinder diesel engines...so why isn't that lousy 4 pot diesel dead yet?!!

You've got a sensible cap?
You need to take that to the charity shop first thing Monday morning!

[cerb4.5lee]

slippery said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I agree...I am just struggling to go with the times!!

Putting my sensible cap on for a second...high capacity & high cylinder petrol engines are dying by the minute & don't really make sense...but you can still buy relatively high capacity & high cylinder diesel engines...so why isn't that lousy 4 pot diesel dead yet?!!

You've got a sensible cap?
You need to take that to the charity shop first thing Monday morning!

Classic!!

[anonymous-user]

cerb4.5lee said:

slippery said:

I think what us lot on here under estimate is quite how much more sensitive we are to fuel and cylinder numbers than the majority of the population who couldn't care less. I gave a friend a lift in my V8 petrol engined A8 a few weeks back and he actually asked if it was a diesel. No, it's not running rough or broken!
Times are changing I tell you!

I agree...I am just struggling to go with the times!!

Putting my sensible cap on for a second...high capacity & high cylinder petrol engines are dying by the minute & don't really make sense...but you can still buy relatively high capacity & high cylinder diesel engines...so why isn't that lousy 4 pot diesel dead yet?!!

Because, for all of their shortcomings and I'm with you on that, they are better on fuel and help the manufacturers fulfil the moronic demands from the EC with regards to the European Union Automotive Fuel Economy Policy.

[cerb4.5lee]

REALIST123 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

slippery said:

I think what us lot on here under estimate is quite how much more sensitive we are to fuel and cylinder numbers than the majority of the population who couldn't care less. I gave a friend a lift in my V8 petrol engined A8 a few weeks back and he actually asked if it was a diesel. No, it's not running rough or broken!
Times are changing I tell you!

I agree...I am just struggling to go with the times!!

Putting my sensible cap on for a second...high capacity & high cylinder petrol engines are dying by the minute & don't really make sense...but you can still buy relatively high capacity & high cylinder diesel engines...so why isn't that lousy 4 pot diesel dead yet?!!

Because, for all of their shortcomings and I'm with you on that, they are better on fuel and help the manufacturers fulfil the moronic demands from the EC with regards to the European Union Automotive Fuel Economy Policy.

That is true & I do think its a real shame.

[roofer]

I'm old and can't do 4 pot sewing machines (Never had one) Glad your choice pleases though.

[slippery]

All these four pot diesels do make the 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12 cylinder petrols all the more special though. Hearing one is turning into a rare treat.

[roofer]

slippery said:

All these four pot diesels do make the 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12 cylinder petrols all the more special though. Hearing one is turning into a rare treat.

Amen.

[cerb4.5lee]

roofer said:

I'm old and can't do 4 pot sewing machines (Never had one)

Keep it that way!

[cerb4.5lee]

roofer said:

slippery said:

All these four pot diesels do make the 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12 cylinder petrols all the more special though. Hearing one is turning into a rare treat.

Amen.

[HoHoHo]

cerb4.5lee said:

roofer said:

slippery said:

All these four pot diesels do make the 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12 cylinder petrols all the more special though. Hearing one is turning into a rare treat.

Amen.

Yep

My F10 is as good as the 520d but with a 4.4 V8 TT

Now that's MUCH better

[Shezbo]

HoHoHo said:

Yep

My F10 is as good as the 520d but with a 4.4 V8 TT

Now that's MUCH better

Totally agree a 4.4 V8 is a better car than a 520d...I don't think we have said it isn't???

However - if you have to pay for the running costs of your car yourself and do 25k miles a year like I do, the V8 is not a car to ever consider.

Pound for pound - a 520d takes some beating as an all round practical proposition and that is what I wanted, cannot see why people would diss something that well engineered for the job it does well......

The offerings from Audi, Jaguar and Merc Benz (and I tried all three) are just NOT on the same page IF you want a 4 pot diesel - like I do.

Yes I do have a 3 litre straight six petrol engine car in the garage and yes it is smooth, however the low twenties mpg does not want to make me run it every day.

[Stick Legs]

HoHoHo said:

Yep

My F10 is as good as the 520d but with a 4.4 V8 TT

Now that's MUCH better

I wonder how many 550i were sold in Europe. Seem popular in the US but got to be almost single figures per year here!

[Wills2]

slippery said:

All these four pot diesels do make the 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12 cylinder petrols all the more special though. Hearing one is turning into a rare treat.

That reminds me of being in LA a couple of years ago Santa monica IIRC and I kept on hearing the rumble and burble of V6/8's everywhere, it was strange as I kept on turning around expecting to see M cars AMG's etc...but it was just standard cars.

Every junction sounded cool!

[cerb4.5lee]

Wills2 said:

slippery said:

All these four pot diesels do make the 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12 cylinder petrols all the more special though. Hearing one is turning into a rare treat.

That reminds me of being in LA a couple of years ago Santa monica IIRC and I kept on hearing the rumble and burble of V6/8's everywhere, it was strange as I kept on turning around expecting to see M cars AMG's etc...but it was just standard cars.

Every junction sounded cool!

I was like that when I went to America it was just awesome to drop the window & listen to all the great sounding engines...I loved it & I wish our fuel prices were the same over here!

[AMDB9]

HoHoHo said:

cerb4.5lee said:

roofer said:

slippery said:

All these four pot diesels do make the 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12 cylinder petrols all the more special though. Hearing one is turning into a rare treat.

Amen.

Yep

My F10 is as good as the 520d but with a 4.4 V8 TT

Now that's MUCH better

Yes it is but my 6.0 Litre V12 Aston Martin DB9 can kick your V8 in to orbit....but that was not the point I was making. BMW hve built a very good package in the 20d and that was what this thread was about

[slippery]

AMDB9 said:

Yes it is but my 6.0 Litre V12 Aston Martin DB9 can kick your V8 in to orbit....but that was not the point I was making. BMW hve built a very good package in the 20d and that was what this thread was about

Err, I don't think it can!

[Wills2]

AMDB9 said:

HoHoHo said:

cerb4.5lee said:

roofer said:

slippery said:

All these four pot diesels do make the 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12 cylinder petrols all the more special though. Hearing one is turning into a rare treat.

Amen.

Yep

My F10 is as good as the 520d but with a 4.4 V8 TT

Now that's MUCH better

Yes it is but my 6.0 Litre V12 Aston Martin DB9 can kick your V8 in to orbit....but that was not the point I was making. BMW hve built a very good package in the 20d and that was what this thread was about

A friend had a DB9 and we did some runs against my e92 M3 and we were neck and neck (40-XXXmph), the F10 M5 would pull away from a DB9 in a straight line.

The noise from the V12 is beautiful and so is the car, lets not let the thread get into a pissing contest.