BMW 535i Vs 535d

BMW 535i Vs 535d

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hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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gizlaroc said:
Wow!
If that was a touring I would be on the phone offering 40k right now!
If it was a Touring I'd have already bought it! Mind you with split/fold rear seat option it's as practical as the saloon gets...

Mr E

21,618 posts

259 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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gizlaroc said:
If that was a touring I would be on the phone offering 40k right now!
hornetrider said:
If it was a Touring I'd have already bought it! Mind you with split/fold rear seat option it's as practical as the saloon gets...
If that was a touring we'd be fighting over it. smile

Roo3Stuart

288 posts

160 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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rickinm said:
Roo3Stuart said:
Mine is Sophisto Grey with black interior and I think it really suits the car, gets a lot of compliments.
Is yours a 535i?? Whats it like everday??
No 535d. Brilliant car, much better than the e60, you won't be disappointed

converted lurker

304 posts

126 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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I'm getting a 535d F10 pre-LCI next week. I'll post the consumption figures.


gizlaroc

17,251 posts

224 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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The problem with the 550i saloon is I think you may as well get the M5, it is not like the difference between the E60 550i and M5, the M5 can do everything the 550 does and then some, the old M5 struggled a bit doing the wafting round and up and down the motorways.

E65Ross

35,087 posts

212 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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gizlaroc said:
the old M5 struggled a bit doing the wafting round and up and down the motorways.
I've not been on a long trip in an M5 but have been in an M6 with that V10 on a long trip and to say that struggled a bit when wafting is, in my opinion, absolute tosh. In any given gear and road speed for road speed it's MUCH quicker than an E60 550i. By some margin.

If, however, you drive everywhere and everything at the same rpm then yes, the difference is minimal. But if you drive it according to its gearing and road speed the M5 is on another planet to the 550i.

For example, cruising along at 70mph in 7th gear the M5 is doing about 2900rpm and at that it's making about 175bhp under full throttle. At 70mph in 6th gear the 550i is doing about 2000rpm and making around 120bhp. The M5 is still a very refined engine and quiet even when cruising at 4-5k rpm, it's not working hard at those rpms, unlike the 550i engine.

If you say "OK, drive at 2000rpm in both cars and put your foot down from 40mph" then yes, the 550i might be a bit quicker, but you'd be a couple of gears higher up the gearbox than the 550i so not a fair test.

If anything, the difference between the M5 and 550i no real different now than with the E60 variant (507/367=38.1% more power!! vs 560/407=37.5% more power). Both go from NA to turbo and have similar shape of torque curves, it's just the E60 has a larger rev range so can SEEM under powered at low rpm, but simply because it does so much more top end.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Hasn't the E60 M5 got silly small range? Have to say 2.9k rpm at 70 sounds pretty busy, the 550 is far more relaxed than that.

E65Ross

35,087 posts

212 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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hornetrider said:
Hasn't the E60 M5 got silly small range? Have to say 2.9k rpm at 70 sounds pretty busy, the 550 is far more relaxed than that.
it revs to 8250.....2900rpm is nothing. I've been in an M6 cruising at 130 for a while doing about 5k rpm, you couldn't tell the engine was working. It's still geared to over 200mph so cruising at 150mph isn't a problem for it.

It's hard to explain, when the N62 is doing 3000rpm it feels like it's working harder than when the S85 is doing 3000rpm.....make sense? Under only partial throttle (eg when cruising) it's also very quiet, even at 5k rpm you can't really hear it so it's a non-issue that it's revving higher.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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I realise it revs high and of course it has oodles of power. Bikes rev high too but 4k rpm is 4k rpm no matter how much of a percentage of the rev range it is.

As long as you can't hear it whirring away at comparatively high rpms for a given roadspeed that's fine. I'm guessing the high rpms and short range are what givlaroc is referring to though.

Mr E

21,618 posts

259 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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gizlaroc said:
The problem with the 550i saloon is I think you may as well get the M5
Does the M5 come in touring form these days?
So I can't have one then, it doesn't do what I need it to do.

Fox-

13,238 posts

246 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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I'm not sure I understand why the 550i is so expensive. It was my first thought for a bargain F10, I figured nobody would want a 550i and I could pick up a nice '10 plate one for about 20k.

Yea right - nearer to 30k!

E65Ross

35,087 posts

212 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Mr E said:
gizlaroc said:
The problem with the 550i saloon is I think you may as well get the M5
Does the M5 come in touring form these days?
So I can't have one then, it doesn't do what I need it to do.
Read his post again. You'll realise what you've said misses the point somewhat.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

224 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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E65Ross said:
I've not been on a long trip in an M5 but have been in an M6 with that V10 on a long trip and to say that struggled a bit when wafting is, in my opinion, absolute tosh. In any given gear and road speed for road speed it's MUCH quicker than an E60 550i. By some margin.
OK, this is all I have read of your reply, but....

The SMG gearbox and the 200 mile range meant driving up to Glasgow and back from Norwich in the M5 was a nightmare.
It was not a nice waft machine as the smg changed the dynamics of the car completely, and having to stop half way to fill up both there and on the way back got really annoying, especially on the way home after being in the car for 9 hours already.
At that point a proper auto 'box and a tank that would at least do the 397 miles one way would have made a huge difference.



gizlaroc

17,251 posts

224 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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E65Ross said:
If, however, you drive everywhere and everything at the same rpm then yes, the difference is minimal. But if you drive it according to its gearing and road speed the M5 is on another planet to the 550i.

For example, cruising along at 70mph in 7th gear the M5 is doing about 2900rpm and at that it's making about 175bhp under full throttle. At 70mph in 6th gear the 550i is doing about 2000rpm and making around 120bhp. The M5 is still a very refined engine and quiet even when cruising at 4-5k rpm, it's not working hard at those rpms, unlike the 550i engine.

If you say "OK, drive at 2000rpm in both cars and put your foot down from 40mph" then yes, the 550i might be a bit quicker, but you'd be a couple of gears higher up the gearbox than the 550i so not a fair test.

If anything, the difference between the M5 and 550i no real different now than with the E60 variant (507/367=38.1% more power!! vs 560/407=37.5% more power). Both go from NA to turbo and have similar shape of torque curves, it's just the E60 has a larger rev range so can SEEM under powered at low rpm, but simply because it does so much more top end.
Sort of read the rest now and still stand by my earlier answer.

The gap between the E60 M5 and E60 550i was much bigger than the gap between the F10 550i and the F10 M5, it is the new M5s ability to sit in full auto mode, with everything set to comfort and see nearly 30 mpg giving you a range of close to 500 miles (80 litre tank) makes it able to do the motorway thing nearly as well as a 530d, and pretty damned close to the 550i.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

224 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Mr E said:
gizlaroc said:
The problem with the 550i saloon is I think you may as well get the M5
Does the M5 come in touring form these days?
So I can't have one then, it doesn't do what I need it to do.
no it doesn't, hence why I said 'the problem with the 550i saloon......'

Mr E

21,618 posts

259 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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E65Ross said:
Read his post again. You'll realise what you've said misses the point somewhat.
Dammit dammit dammit dammit...

Mr E

21,618 posts

259 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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gizlaroc said:
no it doesn't, hence why I said 'the problem with the 550i saloon......'
Dammit dammit dammit dammit...
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Mr E

21,618 posts

259 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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gizlaroc said:
no it doesn't, hence why I said 'the problem with the 550i saloon......'
Dammit dammit dammit dammit...
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Mustard

6,992 posts

245 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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gizlaroc said:
Mr E said:
gizlaroc said:
The problem with the 550i saloon is I think you may as well get the M5
Does the M5 come in touring form these days?
So I can't have one then, it doesn't do what I need it to do.
no it doesn't, hence why I said 'the problem with the 550i saloon......'
And the problem with the 550i Touring.is it's no longer made

Mr E

21,618 posts

259 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Mustard said:
And the problem with the 550i Touring.is it's no longer made
Dammit dammit dammit dammit...

(Second hand is cool by me)