F31 335d M possible purchase

F31 335d M possible purchase

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Ross_T_Boss

163 posts

217 months

Sunday 27th April 2014
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I've had an F31 335d Touring on order since the end of January. Similar spec. The broad speed discount is pretty much what I got, so that should be your target.

I'm also replacing a C5 RS6, it is worth asking what they'll give on px as they are a hard car to move on - especially if there's any issues to sort/discount - if you have a good example definitely go for a private sale.

I'm looking forward to doubling my MPG with little reduction in performance and better reliability, but by god I'm going to miss that Milltek'd V8 rumble. I question whether I'm making the right decision every time I drive it.

peterpeter

6,437 posts

256 months

Sunday 27th April 2014
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just got one of these on lease-

its a fabulous car- you cannot go wrong

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Sunday 27th April 2014
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Hunky Dory said:
All this is irrelevant though as you've not ticked the right engine box.... wink
I just got back from a 220 mile round trip in mine and averaged 36mpg. yikes
Through the stty 50 limits on the M6 it was doing over 45mpg.

Who needs diesels? wink
Hadn't read all of this thread but the above makes a lot of sense to me! The 335i is a far sweeter engine to sit behind than even BMW's 6-cylinder oil burners and my own experience with petrol and diesel tells me that the mpg advantage the 335d is likely hold over a 335i will be much less than the combined figures would have you believe (I suspect 6-7 mpg rather than quoted 12-13mpg). Therefore, unless you're doing a high mileage and value the longer range, the superior refinement and nicer noise of the 335i is worth every penny of additional fuel cost IMHO!

NDT

1,753 posts

262 months

Monday 28th April 2014
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Any thoughts on resale of the 335d vs 335i?
Bit late for me as I'm already committed to the 335d...

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Monday 28th April 2014
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NDT said:
Any thoughts on resale of the 335d vs 335i?
Bit late for me as I'm already committed to the 335d...
Gut feel is that the 335d will have a higher residual value but whether it will do much more than recover the increased initial outlay I'm not so sure; suspect there wouldn't be a huge amount in it and probably not enough to swing the decision one way or the other on a £40k car.

philmots

4,630 posts

259 months

Monday 28th April 2014
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NDT said:
Any thoughts on resale of the 335d vs 335i?
Bit late for me as I'm already committed to the 335d...
From my experience with the slightly older generation 3 series'.. If you're in it for the long run (5+ yr) when warranties are no longer in force, and dpf's are causing grief on diesels, I'd bet a manual 335i will be fetching a fair few more quid more. Main reason that they'll maybe be seen to be reliable, secondly they'll be super rare.

Short term, the derv will hold more value IMO.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

223 months

Monday 28th April 2014
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The petrol tends to do slightly better, when you get to the top models anyway, they are both about the same price at 2-3 years old, so the diesel has actually lost a bit more. There is only £1800 in it this time round though, and the 335d is obviously xDrive. But I bet at 3 years old those wanting a 335i will have to pay a slight premium of maybe a grand.


JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Monday 28th April 2014
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gizlaroc said:
The petrol tends to do slightly better, when you get to the top models anyway, they are both about the same price at 2-3 years old, so the diesel has actually lost a bit more. There is only £1800 in it this time round though, and the 335d is obviously xDrive. But I bet at 3 years old those wanting a 335i will have to pay a slight premium of maybe a grand.
Guess an initial test would be to go to a dealer and for a given mileage over 3 or 4 years see how the guaranteed future values compare on a PCP? My understanding is that dealers can't alter the GVF's (think they are set by BMW) so the comparison should give an indication of where BMW themselves think future residuals are likely sit; doesn't mean they'll be 100% correct of course but it would at least be a guide.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

223 months

Monday 28th April 2014
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I know when I bought my 335i touring the GFV for the petrol and diesel were the same for autos, but this was a few years back now.

Jobbo

12,960 posts

263 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Welshbeef said:
Ignoring options this means is have to pay just over £6k deposit and then £395pcm for £47 months with a GFV of 12k
Your figures don't add up - that totals £36,565, so less than the basic price after discount, not even taking into account interest. What do you do for a living again?

Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

197 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Jobbo said:
Welshbeef said:
Ignoring options this means is have to pay just over £6k deposit and then £395pcm for £47 months with a GFV of 12k
Your figures don't add up - that totals £36,565, so less than the basic price after discount, not even taking into account interest. What do you do for a living again?
List c£42k

Customer deposit £6k
Dealer contribution £4.4k
47@£395 £19k
GFV £12.6k

Total £42k.

Jobbo

12,960 posts

263 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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That totals £41,565. List price is £42,815, and there's no accounting for interest - still doesn't add up.

Welshbeef

Original Poster:

49,633 posts

197 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Jobbo said:
That totals £41,565. List price is £42,815, and there's no accounting for interest - still doesn't add up.
I'm using rounded numbers rather than exact also I'm assuming the GFV is £12k "worst case" as that's the balancing number. The £395 PCM is the 4.9% apr from BMW - suppose I could back calculate it to determine the exact GFV.

Note I'll do that when I have a few mins

Deal was 4.9%, £4.4k BMW contribution 15% customer on a base 335d touring M sport which have £395pcm over 47 months - it was a list on paper so he didn't have the GFV at that time.

Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

197 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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So back working the deal from BMW it would appear the GFV is £18,189.72

Given list £42,565
APR 4.9%
Monthlyx47 @£395
Cuts deposit 15% £6,384.75

Is £18.2k a fair value for a 4 year old 335d Touring M sport with 60k?

Jobbo

12,960 posts

263 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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That's a bit different laugh

Welshbeef

Original Poster:

49,633 posts

197 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Jobbo said:
That's a bit different laugh
Yep!

Still I think its a bloody good deal - and given Braodspeed seem to be £9k discount not the £4.4k if I go back to BMW to match it.

If they did and the GFV remained the same then the PCM payments would be £286.... Very very tempting.


How do you actually go about using B/Speed to deliver these prices & match the PCP apr and GFV?

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Welshbeef said:
Yep!

Still I think its a bloody good deal - and given Braodspeed seem to be £9k discount not the £4.4k if I go back to BMW to match it.

If they did and the GFV remained the same then the PCM payments would be £286.... Very very tempting.


How do you actually go about using B/Speed to deliver these prices & match the PCP apr and GFV?
I think Broadspeed's cars are all supplied via UK main dealers and hence there should be no problem replicating the APR and GFV you've been quoted already. It sounds like your dealer has offered whatever contribution is available from BMW as a discount and no more; however, I reckon that in total (including any BMW contribution) you should be able to get the best part of 20% off a 335d so the discount ought to be more than double the £4.4k your dealer's suggesting. No doubt that was their starter for ten but I'd just show them what's available from Broadspeed and invite them to match it!

Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

197 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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I'm still not 100% as yet on the purchase but would want to give the business to my local BMW garage.

£286pcm for driving that car is stunning value - though that's without options....

Jobbo

12,960 posts

263 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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£286 per month is your guess, isn't it? Not an actual finance quote... And ignores the £6k deposit.

Welshbeef

Original Poster:

49,633 posts

197 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Jobbo said:
£286 per month is your guess, isn't it? Not an actual finance quote... And ignores the £6k deposit.
Nope.

Its £305pcm with £6k deposit now IF BMW give the full £9k discount instead of just £4.4k then the GFV stays static the Apr % too stays static you have a lower starting point and less interest to pay the net result is £286pcm all else being equal. (Its a guess as in I'm rounding).