F31 335d M possible purchase
Discussion
Well I tested the F30 330d today M sport M performance pack 1k on the clock pro nav extended blue tooth lumbar visibility pack.
What a car! I'd forgotten how good BMW red cars are tenacious grip flat cornering and confidence inspiring fast cornering.
Had it for 3 hours and I tested it much harder than if ever drive it day to day - its a very rapid machine and even with my hard driving it wouldn't go under 40mpg that's full revs very often using sport + testing the car fully. Brakes very good - I'd not want less stopping power than that 19" looked great, steering took a while to get used to super light round town unlike the E90 but it seemed to weight up as speed and cornering angle increased - happy with that.
Bluetooth extended - love it I'd not opt for the cable option.
Lumbar great
Pro nav and Internet and all the other IT gizmos that takes a while to get into but I love it.
Eco Pro - fun to use and sensible I guess if not on a mission.
Gearbox. - how much better than the older 6 speed is that its wonderful power all the time super smooth changes
Engine while not the brute 335d it had an impressive turn of pace and sounded good when it was used to full power. The 335d with 25-30% more power and a lot more torques will give a lovely tick in the box. I'd add here though that frankly on auK roads and Licence retaining speeds the 330d is plenty fast enough how much faster can you really get to the speed limit? ... But to compare it to the RS6 well let's just say that to be fair its a different league you'd not have to try hard to keep up with a hard driven F30 330d in a straight line and then you can let that loud pedal out fully and its bonkers/scary fast or "whoa this is way too fast for this road" - however your not 70-130+ before you know it.
I tried 20 odd mins with OBC reset and drove it as I would say in day out and achieved low 50's which I must add isn't handing about so that's a nice plus. While doing the same in my RS6 its 17-19mpg day in day out premium petrol only. So savings in fuel alone will be in the order of 65-70%.... The 335d I guess less so but not by much.
The drivers seat feels wider and better than the E90 which is good.
I think I'd want the cruise control with distance control - car would be a long term keeper/hand it down to the wife in many years to come so spec it right.
I don't think adaptive lights are worth it really? high beam assist I've added to the options list.
One big question is - I drove the F30 330d with M sport suspension it was great, but the 335dxdroce is SE suspension.... Not what I'm after so does the adaptive suspension really mimic or better M sport suspension?handling is very important to me.
Don't think I'll bother with electric folding and dimming mirrors? Is it really worth it- I never park on road or parallel park/no need.
Chrome roof rails? They come black but c£400 for Chrome.... Its a piss take IMHO.
GFV well with the miles and spec and initial discount £4.4k it was coming out at £15.5k - there is more discount to come as they alluded to quite openly/without pushing.
End of the day test drive - loved the car its a sensible car (not cheap it has to be said). But I'd add when I hoped back into my RS6 started her up lots of people browsing the used car section looked round at the glorious noise and I loved it too (took it on a hoon the long way home 15mile for a 3mile trip....)
Or is a 61 plate 535d M sport touring 28k miles fully loaded incl electric seats for £32k the smarter buy?
Lots to think about but I'm very impressed with the car and the 335d will be a huge step on that too so need to think about the numbers does it make sense - will the wife push back and demand lets get the extension first you get a £13-15k E91 335d ...she did like it a lot and liked the old 330d I used to own but she does think this is a huge amount of cash to spend on a car which will be worthless at some point.
Also will add the dealership have been outstanding couldn't fault them - unlike Audi.
What a car! I'd forgotten how good BMW red cars are tenacious grip flat cornering and confidence inspiring fast cornering.
Had it for 3 hours and I tested it much harder than if ever drive it day to day - its a very rapid machine and even with my hard driving it wouldn't go under 40mpg that's full revs very often using sport + testing the car fully. Brakes very good - I'd not want less stopping power than that 19" looked great, steering took a while to get used to super light round town unlike the E90 but it seemed to weight up as speed and cornering angle increased - happy with that.
Bluetooth extended - love it I'd not opt for the cable option.
Lumbar great
Pro nav and Internet and all the other IT gizmos that takes a while to get into but I love it.
Eco Pro - fun to use and sensible I guess if not on a mission.
Gearbox. - how much better than the older 6 speed is that its wonderful power all the time super smooth changes
Engine while not the brute 335d it had an impressive turn of pace and sounded good when it was used to full power. The 335d with 25-30% more power and a lot more torques will give a lovely tick in the box. I'd add here though that frankly on auK roads and Licence retaining speeds the 330d is plenty fast enough how much faster can you really get to the speed limit? ... But to compare it to the RS6 well let's just say that to be fair its a different league you'd not have to try hard to keep up with a hard driven F30 330d in a straight line and then you can let that loud pedal out fully and its bonkers/scary fast or "whoa this is way too fast for this road" - however your not 70-130+ before you know it.
I tried 20 odd mins with OBC reset and drove it as I would say in day out and achieved low 50's which I must add isn't handing about so that's a nice plus. While doing the same in my RS6 its 17-19mpg day in day out premium petrol only. So savings in fuel alone will be in the order of 65-70%.... The 335d I guess less so but not by much.
The drivers seat feels wider and better than the E90 which is good.
I think I'd want the cruise control with distance control - car would be a long term keeper/hand it down to the wife in many years to come so spec it right.
I don't think adaptive lights are worth it really? high beam assist I've added to the options list.
One big question is - I drove the F30 330d with M sport suspension it was great, but the 335dxdroce is SE suspension.... Not what I'm after so does the adaptive suspension really mimic or better M sport suspension?handling is very important to me.
Don't think I'll bother with electric folding and dimming mirrors? Is it really worth it- I never park on road or parallel park/no need.
Chrome roof rails? They come black but c£400 for Chrome.... Its a piss take IMHO.
GFV well with the miles and spec and initial discount £4.4k it was coming out at £15.5k - there is more discount to come as they alluded to quite openly/without pushing.
End of the day test drive - loved the car its a sensible car (not cheap it has to be said). But I'd add when I hoped back into my RS6 started her up lots of people browsing the used car section looked round at the glorious noise and I loved it too (took it on a hoon the long way home 15mile for a 3mile trip....)
Or is a 61 plate 535d M sport touring 28k miles fully loaded incl electric seats for £32k the smarter buy?
Lots to think about but I'm very impressed with the car and the 335d will be a huge step on that too so need to think about the numbers does it make sense - will the wife push back and demand lets get the extension first you get a £13-15k E91 335d ...she did like it a lot and liked the old 330d I used to own but she does think this is a huge amount of cash to spend on a car which will be worthless at some point.
Also will add the dealership have been outstanding couldn't fault them - unlike Audi.
Jobbo said:
So what was the actual quote?
With my options and current discount c£44k GFV c£15k £599pcm 15% deposit on 14k pa. So more discount to come rather than the guide which is what this is plus this includes 5 year service pack delivery VED 1st year paint and leather guard etc and the GFV has notable equity in it/expected equity in it ready for the next car in 4 years time. Base car
395pcm 47minths
Miles 10k p.a.
15% deposit
£4.4k BMW contribution
£42,585 RRP
JNW1 said:
How much does this "notable equity" amount to? From the look of it you're putting in £6.6k (15% of £44k) so realistically how much of that do you expect to see back after 4 years and almost 60k miles? I suspect a 4 year old 330d with that sort of mileage isn't going to be worth much more than £20k retail and on the basis the dealer will want to make a margin it doesn't feel to me like you'll get a huge amount of your £6.6k back; I'd say erosion of your equity could easily amount to the equivalent of £70/month over the 4-year agreement....
Remember broadspeed on the base model alone are doing £9.050 off so I'd be expecting the deal to improve by £4,650 plus maybe there will be discounts on the options. Looking on autotrader this am there are 5 335d M sport estates for sale up to 5 years old.... So a very rare car indeed - I'd envisage the situation that BMW actually call me up during my ownership offering to buy it for their used stock and do a deal on another new car as they know they sell very quickly.
JNW1 said:
Sorry, got confused, thought your numbers related to the model you drove (330d) rather than a 335d. You should have equity in the car at a GFV of £15k with a 335d although I'm still not convinced you'll see all your deposit back!
I keep glancing at 11 reg 535d F11 M Sports fully loaded these are high £20/low £30's with 10-30k miles. They have more kit than the spec I've opted for and will be £15k cheaper to purchase - though I'm not too sure they will be less cost effective over the ownership timescale - also its a bigger car would that really handle as well?JNW1 said:
I agree it's taking man maths to a new level but leave him be, he's got to justify this purchase to himself (and/or his missus) one way or another!! Does now seem as if the £18k GFV that was being talked about earlier in the thread was a tad optimistic though.....
£18k certainly was optimistic - got some hard thinking its a £44k pre further discounts purchase you can get a lot for much much less. Note the wife thinks its "a lot" too. JNW1 said:
Things have just got a little bit better Beefy! BMW's have reappeared on Drive the Deal's website and they're offering £10.4k off a standard-spec F31 335d; however, unlike Broadspeed, I think they also give a bit of discount on optional extras as well so a quote from them may well give you a bit more ammunition for when you talk to your local dealer!
Thanks - that is 25% discount off list!!!!! Incredible - for me that's £38k fully loaded zero miles 5 years service pack the paint and leather protection delivery 1sr year VED. Bloody hell what a deal
Got to ask why is there such a large discount available on the car? Its a rare car just like all I6 BMW 3 series so would make sense not discounting
Anyway big thanks will use this leverage IF I progress and I'm sure others viewing this thread will make the most of these discounts.
Jon1967x said:
Bit lazy 
You could search for that to get a definitive answer... It give an extra 300 bhp at the touch of a button for over taking... Honest.. That's what my mate said
Or check the bmw web site, it's the new Eu6 emissions regulations
It is 7am Sundayorning You could search for that to get a definitive answer... It give an extra 300 bhp at the touch of a button for over taking... Honest.. That's what my mate saidOr check the bmw web site, it's the new Eu6 emissions regulations
. Does it lower Official CO2 in which case lower VED banding?
Put the quote into DtD and added a few more options total is £40k all in (may delete the panoramic roof).
Awaiting the finance quote back from BMW via DtD.
Face value its £4k less with everything else the same - doubt panoramic roof adaptive cruise control lane warning and blind spot alarm will add anything to GFV.
As such £83pcm less or c£516pcm
Though really the std car with pro nav Xenons and m performance pack and enhanced Bluetooth plus heated seats and electric lumbar would be ample.
Awaiting the finance quote back from BMW via DtD.
Face value its £4k less with everything else the same - doubt panoramic roof adaptive cruise control lane warning and blind spot alarm will add anything to GFV.
As such £83pcm less or c£516pcm
Though really the std car with pro nav Xenons and m performance pack and enhanced Bluetooth plus heated seats and electric lumbar would be ample.
JNW1 said:
Sounds like you got a competitive discount so well done on that. However, when looking at PCP's the monthly repayments don't really mean much in isolation; you really need the deposit, the term of the agreement, the annual mileage and the GFV to get the full picture!
You don't need the GFV instead just deposit and then PCM values plus milesCYMR0 said:
Fine for affordability but not for comparing between PCPs, otherwise you might turn your equity into interest for the lender.
That's what I was getting at - I mean i can see no way that a fully loaded 335d touring M sport 4 years old with 50k miles would be only worth £15k ish. Look at second hand ones today firstly there are hardly any for sale at all and then they are much more than that value. I'm in the 85-90% going to go for it at the moment and likely to throw even more options in on it - this will be a very long term keeper 5-7 years for myself and then the wife for at least the same again (well that would be the theory)
Colour seems to be the challenge
I love estriol blue
Wife not so keen she likes the grey so much more - a stealthy look not shouts out about performance
Spec she really isn't keen on pano roof thinks its too much money plus she wouldn't want it open at all when in the car - glare hurts her eyes. .
Thoughts on colour?
Colour seems to be the challenge
I love estriol blue
Wife not so keen she likes the grey so much more - a stealthy look not shouts out about performance
Spec she really isn't keen on pano roof thinks its too much money plus she wouldn't want it open at all when in the car - glare hurts her eyes. .
Thoughts on colour?
Will BMW release a PPK (performance bhp enhancement ) for the 335d?
I'd be tempted with a warrantied option it would make a fast car into what would be super car fast back in the 90's.
Heck the standard F30 335d is well over 50% more powerful than the Ford Cossie .... Imagine that back then hey a diesel will beat you in any situation on the public roads.
I'd be tempted with a warrantied option it would make a fast car into what would be super car fast back in the 90's.
Heck the standard F30 335d is well over 50% more powerful than the Ford Cossie .... Imagine that back then hey a diesel will beat you in any situation on the public roads.
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