F31 335d M possible purchase

[Jobbo]

Welshbeef said:

Running costs have been a step beyond my expectations which detract from the ownership experiance somewhat. Its the worry of huge costs over and above high general running costs which are always a concern owning such a car.

Yes, I can see how £559 in servicing and maintenance costs for 11 months/10k miles in a 12yr old super saloon must be a real downer

[Welshbeef]

Wills2 said:

tjlees said:

De-badging is your friend (or a hot air gun and sturdy plastic knife!)

I've always de-badged my cars (I use cheese wire as my preferred route with nail polish remover for the residual sticky) this new one is a candidate for the M badges on a non M car thread.

You should order them de badged would save the hassle.

[Wills2]

Welshbeef said:

You should order them de badged would save the hassle.

I'm impatient the last two cars were in stock.

[Shapes]

Wills2 said:

Dreadful pic blame blackberry.

Like++

[Wills2]

Thanks Shapes, but it does ride very high and makes the car look a bit "toppy" I'll investigate the ACS/Hartge lower springs but don't want to ruin the ride.

What I will do is put the dark/shadow chrome grills on.

[Welshbeef]

Jobbo said:

Welshbeef said:

Running costs have been a step beyond my expectations which detract from the ownership experiance somewhat. Its the worry of huge costs over and above high general running costs which are always a concern owning such a car.

Yes, I can see how £559 in servicing and maintenance costs for 11 months/10k miles in a 12yr old super saloon must be a real downer

Its £0.74 pence per mile - or if I put on what its trade value would be its nearer £1/mile.
This is without needing to change brakes £1-1.5k cambelt up to £2k exhaust £1.5k etc.


So running it without any issues is very very high cost

[Jobbo]

I'm intrigued - do you really think the depreciation on a new 335d, plus the interest on financing £30k or so, would be less than the difference in fuel costs? I reckon you'd be lucky to run a brand new 335d for much less than £1.50 a mile.

[Welshbeef]

Jobbo said:

I'm intrigued - do you really think the depreciation on a new 335d, plus the interest on financing £30k or so, would be less than the difference in fuel costs? I reckon you'd be lucky to run a brand new 335d for much less than £1.50 a mile.

Well put it like this I had an oil leak which if they were not able to tighten meant a £3.8k bill to change lambs sensors £110 each that will be nearly £5k engine and gearbox out etc its these sort of things which can go wrong with a car of this age which suddenly can make a brand new car and talking £60k+++ much cheaper to run over that time frame. Of course its very likely nothing would go wrong with it but for some it does and is very painful/write off the car.

[Wills2]

A better view of how the car sits on a level surface.

[Welshbeef]

Wills2 said:

A better view of how the car sits on a level surface.

Seems to be 1-2" higher than my old E90 Msport ride height.

[Wills2]

Jobbo said:

I'm intrigued - do you really think the depreciation on a new 335d, plus the interest on financing £30k or so, would be less than the difference in fuel costs? I reckon you'd be lucky to run a brand new 335d for much less than £1.50 a mile.

Simple quick calc

3 years 15k per year

Depreciation 58p (deposit + payments)
Insurance 3p (£500 a year)
Tyres 7p (one set a year)
Fuel 18p (35mpg)
Service pack 1p (£445)

87p per mile.

[Wills2]

Welshbeef said:

Seems to be 1-2" higher than my old E90 Msport ride height.

IIRC it's 10-20mm difference between them.

[Jon1967x]

Wills2 said:

Jobbo said:

I'm intrigued - do you really think the depreciation on a new 335d, plus the interest on financing £30k or so, would be less than the difference in fuel costs? I reckon you'd be lucky to run a brand new 335d for much less than £1.50 a mile.

Simple quick calc

3 years 15k per year

Depreciation 58p (deposit + payments)
Insurance 3p (£500 a year)
Tyres 7p (one set a year)
Fuel 18p (35mpg)
Service pack 1p (£445)

87p per mile.

Don't disagree with the man maths although I'd add new brakes and disks all round - £600 - only adds a about 1p

[Welshbeef]

Wills2 said:

Simple quick calc

3 years 15k per year

Depreciation 58p (deposit + payments)
Insurance 3p (£500 a year)
Tyres 7p (one set a year)
Fuel 18p (35mpg)
Service pack 1p (£445)

87p per mile.

Isn't the £500 service pack for 50k/5 years - but in this its a small irrelevant value.


But yes it does look similar but zero risk.
I've yet to decide fully, but there comes a point when using a 12 year + old car with high fuel costs is no longer a primary car.

[Wills2]

Yes I missed the brakes and pads good spot I checked the invoice they did the service pack for £425, but near as makes no difference.

My out going M3 was about £1.20 per mile.

[whoami]

Welshbeef said:

I've yet to decide fully

[Welshbeef]

Wills2 said:

Yes I missed the brakes and pads good spot I checked the invoice they did the service pack for £425, but near as makes no difference.

My out going M3 was about £1.20 per mile.

I suppose in reality my car and similar RS6's are not going to be any cheaper in the future so the longer I keep it the depreciation per mile will drop and potentially mitigate all those big costs.

That said mine is now nearly up to 105k miles 4 owner (from the history each appears to have owned it for 2 or 4 years) I'll be adding c15k per year it will never increase in value and would possibly get to a milage where its appeal is so limited that at that point you may as well keep it sat in a garage.

[gaz1234]

Welshbeef said:

You should order them de badged would save the hassle.

maybe your audi could do with the xdrive?

[335d]

Wills2 said:

Simple quick calc

3 years 15k per year

Depreciation 58p (deposit + payments)
Insurance 3p (£500 a year)
Tyres 7p (one set a year)
Fuel 18p (35mpg)
Service pack 1p (£445)

87p per mile.

I would be surprised if your car depreciated by £26k in 3 years and 45k miles, assuming that you got a reasonable discount to start with.

The depreciation figure would be a lot better if you held on to it for 6 years, of course.

[Jobbo]

Jon1967x said:

Wills2 said:

Jobbo said:

I'm intrigued - do you really think the depreciation on a new 335d, plus the interest on financing £30k or so, would be less than the difference in fuel costs? I reckon you'd be lucky to run a brand new 335d for much less than £1.50 a mile.

Simple quick calc

3 years 15k per year

Depreciation 58p (deposit + payments)
Insurance 3p (£500 a year)
Tyres 7p (one set a year)
Fuel 18p (35mpg)
Service pack 1p (£445)

87p per mile.

Don't disagree with the man maths although I'd add new brakes and disks all round - £600 - only adds a about 1p

Maths looks OK to me too. Beefy's figures for his RS6 show he does ~11k per year though, so with similar depreciation he's looking at well over £1/mile.