New X5 - Any good deals ?

New X5 - Any good deals ?

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Fox-

13,228 posts

245 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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Is the 25d really the most popular variant? How on earth is that really an appropriate engine for a car like that?

I sometimes wonder whether they'd sell a 70bhp 1 litre 3 pot by the bucketloads as long as it said 'BMW' on the back.

worsy

5,776 posts

174 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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Fox- said:
Is the 25d really the most popular variant? How on earth is that really an appropriate engine for a car like that?

I sometimes wonder whether they'd sell a 70bhp 1 litre 3 pot by the bucketloads as long as it said 'BMW' on the back.
There is a 2wd option too!! Be loads of these debadged wheezing along smile

I still think the 30d is the likely common model. The performance figures are almost on par with the E70 40d, just have noted it as I might have gone 30 and not 40, oh well.

Mustard

6,992 posts

244 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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Fox- said:
Is the 25d really the most popular variant? How on earth is that really an appropriate engine for a car like that?

I sometimes wonder whether they'd sell a 70bhp 1 litre 3 pot by the bucketloads as long as it said 'BMW' on the back.
No it's not, but if demand exceeds planed levels of demand, increased lead times result

Cheib

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23,112 posts

174 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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I rang the dealer I have been buying BMW's off for twenty years yesterday to ask them for a price on a new X5. The bloke I used to speak to has just left......

Me "I am interested in a new X5, have previously bought several cars from yourselves including my current X5"
Dealer "We have delivery slots for all models available for November"
Me "Great. I would be interested in a 4.0d SE to a similar/identical spec to my current car (which they have the spec of). Please give me a price for buying a new car for November build"
Dealer "Do you want to me to quote you for a part exchange on your current car"
Me " No thanks please just quote me for buying a new car outright"
Dealer "Are you sure"
Yes "It's a one owner, very high spec car, with low mileage and still under BMW warranty...I think I can sell it privately very easily"
Dealer "Okay, I will be back shortly"

Dealer rings me back half an hour later

Dealer "What cost do you need to part exchange your current car"
Me " I asked you for the price of a new car"
Dealer "Can you tell me what you want to pay"
Me "I have asked you a very simple question, I have bought many cars from yourselves. I just want to know what you are prepared to sell a new, built to spec car for"
Dealer "Do you want to buy a car today"
Me "Yes"
Dealer "I will call you back"

That was two days ago...staggering.

One of the question I got asked about my current X5 was "Is it an automatic"......I pointed out they didn't make manual versions.


Sheepshanks

32,530 posts

118 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Cheib said:
That was two days ago...staggering.
It's irritating, but if they can sell everything they can get their hands on, mostly with a p/x that can be resold, and finance etc, then you're just not worth the effort. In fact you may well have a negative effect on the salesman's stats (and therefore bonus / commission).

worsy

5,776 posts

174 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Sheepshanks said:
Cheib said:
That was two days ago...staggering.
It's irritating, but if they can sell everything they can get their hands on, mostly with a p/x that can be resold, and finance etc, then you're just not worth the effort. In fact you may well have a negative effect on the salesman's stats (and therefore bonus / commission).
Agreed. The partex price I got (held for delivery 4 months later) was very good. I doubt I could achieve it privately.

edited to say, if you want a straight price, go to drivethedeal.

Cheib

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23,112 posts

174 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Sheepshanks said:
Cheib said:
That was two days ago...staggering.
It's irritating, but if they can sell everything they can get their hands on, mostly with a p/x that can be resold, and finance etc, then you're just not worth the effort. In fact you may well have a negative effect on the salesman's stats (and therefore bonus / commission).
Sure. I asked them if I bought on finance if it would make a difference...was told it didn't make any difference to them. I doubt a new car salesman will get any kick out of the p/x either....the overall dealership will but I doubt the individual salesperson will care.

Cheib

Original Poster:

23,112 posts

174 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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worsy said:
edited to say, if you want a straight price, go to drivethedeal.
7.5 % discount on drivethedeal....that's really not bad. High spec car but even so that is not bad at all.

Very tempted.

worsy

5,776 posts

174 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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I got 8 wink

Carmo99

1,308 posts

185 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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My dealer also gave me a good discount but surprisingly also a very good trade in. Seems the market is quite strong for X5's at present all over EU.

Picking up the M50d on Saturday, I'll post some pics.

AOK

2,297 posts

165 months

Wednesday 25th June 2014
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Discounts on (reasonably) high demand high-end new cars really are a funny concept if you step back for a second and think about it. If there was no notion or preconception of discounting, I imagine these would sell without any problem at list price. After all, those buying a £50k car with a 8% discount (£46k) could probably afford the full £50k if that was the only choice. It's the 'deal culture' which instils a requirement in us to get it for less, because someone else has... And rightly so!

I wonder if things for BMW will ever revert back to the "here's the price, take it or leave it" scenario they enjoyed back in the 80/90's. Except instead of a sales exec confident in their awesome German product, it will be a website you go to to order your car. No more playing off dealers, haggling, broker sites, calling up for finance quotes etc... and the dealerships would just turn into 'service + experience centres' where you go to a speak to a product 'genius' about the options and to test drive different models. Didn't the car builder on the BMW site give PCP numbers for exact specs last year? Seems this model is working very well for Tesla... I wonder if it will catch on.

By way of a vote, how many would not buy a car purely on the pretext that they cannot get a discount on it? Even if they can afford the initial list price?

Cheib

Original Poster:

23,112 posts

174 months

Thursday 26th June 2014
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AOK said:
Discounts on (reasonably) high demand high-end new cars really are a funny concept if you step back for a second and think about it. If there was no notion or preconception of discounting, I imagine these would sell without any problem at list price. After all, those buying a £50k car with a 8% discount (£46k) could probably afford the full £50k if that was the only choice. It's the 'deal culture' which instils a requirement in us to get it for less, because someone else has... And rightly so!

I wonder if things for BMW will ever revert back to the "here's the price, take it or leave it" scenario they enjoyed back in the 80/90's. Except instead of a sales exec confident in their awesome German product, it will be a website you go to to order your car. No more playing off dealers, haggling, broker sites, calling up for finance quotes etc... and the dealerships would just turn into 'service + experience centres' where you go to a speak to a product 'genius' about the options and to test drive different models. Didn't the car builder on the BMW site give PCP numbers for exact specs last year? Seems this model is working very well for Tesla... I wonder if it will catch on.

By way of a vote, how many would not buy a car purely on the pretext that they cannot get a discount on it? Even if they can afford the initial list price?
I bought my X5 when they had only been out two or three months and paid list....didn't even ask for a discount as the dealer had done me a huge favour getting me a build slot.

The 80's and 90's were very different because manufacturers weren't chasing volumes anywhere near as aggressively....and they also controlled the market very well. The thing that really brought aggressive discounting in was personal imports from Europe. The controlled market was a busted flush and it was every man for himself.

One thing dealers do is try and control whole areas as they know that people still want to buy locally...i.e. own cluster of dealerships.

I think the X5 looks expensive given the aggressive discounting on other models....I might just run my current one for longer and buy something else as well. My current X5 is worth £15k now, the £45k I would need to buy a new one buys a lot of car.

worsy

5,776 posts

174 months

Thursday 26th June 2014
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Cheib said:
AOK said:
Discounts on (reasonably) high demand high-end new cars really are a funny concept if you step back for a second and think about it. If there was no notion or preconception of discounting, I imagine these would sell without any problem at list price. After all, those buying a £50k car with a 8% discount (£46k) could probably afford the full £50k if that was the only choice. It's the 'deal culture' which instils a requirement in us to get it for less, because someone else has... And rightly so!

I wonder if things for BMW will ever revert back to the "here's the price, take it or leave it" scenario they enjoyed back in the 80/90's. Except instead of a sales exec confident in their awesome German product, it will be a website you go to to order your car. No more playing off dealers, haggling, broker sites, calling up for finance quotes etc... and the dealerships would just turn into 'service + experience centres' where you go to a speak to a product 'genius' about the options and to test drive different models. Didn't the car builder on the BMW site give PCP numbers for exact specs last year? Seems this model is working very well for Tesla... I wonder if it will catch on.

By way of a vote, how many would not buy a car purely on the pretext that they cannot get a discount on it? Even if they can afford the initial list price?
I bought my X5 when they had only been out two or three months and paid list....didn't even ask for a discount as the dealer had done me a huge favour getting me a build slot.

The 80's and 90's were very different because manufacturers weren't chasing volumes anywhere near as aggressively....and they also controlled the market very well. The thing that really brought aggressive discounting in was personal imports from Europe. The controlled market was a busted flush and it was every man for himself.

One thing dealers do is try and control whole areas as they know that people still want to buy locally...i.e. own cluster of dealerships.

I think the X5 looks expensive given the aggressive discounting on other models....I might just run my current one for longer and buy something else as well. My current X5 is worth £15k now, the £45k I would need to buy a new one buys a lot of car.
No discount to be had on the RRS, nor the Cayenne (new one soon). The ML always gets a good discount, what else is there?

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

155 months

Thursday 26th June 2014
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worsy said:
Cheib said:
AOK said:
Discounts on (reasonably) high demand high-end new cars really are a funny concept if you step back for a second and think about it. If there was no notion or preconception of discounting, I imagine these would sell without any problem at list price. After all, those buying a £50k car with a 8% discount (£46k) could probably afford the full £50k if that was the only choice. It's the 'deal culture' which instils a requirement in us to get it for less, because someone else has... And rightly so!

I wonder if things for BMW will ever revert back to the "here's the price, take it or leave it" scenario they enjoyed back in the 80/90's. Except instead of a sales exec confident in their awesome German product, it will be a website you go to to order your car. No more playing off dealers, haggling, broker sites, calling up for finance quotes etc... and the dealerships would just turn into 'service + experience centres' where you go to a speak to a product 'genius' about the options and to test drive different models. Didn't the car builder on the BMW site give PCP numbers for exact specs last year? Seems this model is working very well for Tesla... I wonder if it will catch on.

By way of a vote, how many would not buy a car purely on the pretext that they cannot get a discount on it? Even if they can afford the initial list price?
I bought my X5 when they had only been out two or three months and paid list....didn't even ask for a discount as the dealer had done me a huge favour getting me a build slot.

The 80's and 90's were very different because manufacturers weren't chasing volumes anywhere near as aggressively....and they also controlled the market very well. The thing that really brought aggressive discounting in was personal imports from Europe. The controlled market was a busted flush and it was every man for himself.

One thing dealers do is try and control whole areas as they know that people still want to buy locally...i.e. own cluster of dealerships.

I think the X5 looks expensive given the aggressive discounting on other models....I might just run my current one for longer and buy something else as well. My current X5 is worth £15k now, the £45k I would need to buy a new one buys a lot of car.
No discount to be had on the RRS, nor the Cayenne (new one soon). The ML always gets a good discount, what else is there?
I've been offered a small discount on the RRS but zip off a Cayenne. X5 discounts of c. 8% readily available. Can't comment on the ML.

worsy

5,776 posts

174 months

Thursday 26th June 2014
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Q7? Tourag?

Fezzaman

552 posts

192 months

Thursday 26th June 2014
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Cheib said:
I bought my X5 when they had only been out two or three months and paid list....didn't even ask for a discount as the dealer had done me a huge favour getting me a build slot.

The 80's and 90's were very different because manufacturers weren't chasing volumes anywhere near as aggressively....and they also controlled the market very well. The thing that really brought aggressive discounting in was personal imports from Europe. The controlled market was a busted flush and it was every man for himself.

One thing dealers do is try and control whole areas as they know that people still want to buy locally...i.e. own cluster of dealerships.

I think the X5 looks expensive given the aggressive discounting on other models....I might just run my current one for longer and buy something else as well. My current X5 is worth £15k now, the £45k I would need to buy a new one buys a lot of car.
We were in a similar position to you - '58 plate sd MSport <40k on the clock - and found BMW just disinterested. Personally found the F15 not to be enough of a change/upgrade to justify the cost. Combined with lucky timing at Porsche with the run out Cayenne Platinum (ordered mid-Feb, took delivery start of May), got a good discount there, and a higher part-ex from Porsche than BMW were willing to give a year before when looking at a new M5 on the silly 0% deals.

Think it's a tougher choice now though. Cayenne facelift due and I'd imagine higher pricing to be in touch with the RRS and not overlapping with the Macan. Q7 is ageing and due for replacement. I'd imagine you're not interested in poxy 4 pots so can't see you going for an ML as engine choice is pretty weak after the 3.0sd lump. I would try and hunt out a Cayenne stock car if I were you - but then I would say that.

Cheib

Original Poster:

23,112 posts

174 months

Thursday 26th June 2014
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Fezzaman said:
Cheib said:
I bought my X5 when they had only been out two or three months and paid list....didn't even ask for a discount as the dealer had done me a huge favour getting me a build slot.

The 80's and 90's were very different because manufacturers weren't chasing volumes anywhere near as aggressively....and they also controlled the market very well. The thing that really brought aggressive discounting in was personal imports from Europe. The controlled market was a busted flush and it was every man for himself.

One thing dealers do is try and control whole areas as they know that people still want to buy locally...i.e. own cluster of dealerships.

I think the X5 looks expensive given the aggressive discounting on other models....I might just run my current one for longer and buy something else as well. My current X5 is worth £15k now, the £45k I would need to buy a new one buys a lot of car.
We were in a similar position to you - '58 plate sd MSport <40k on the clock - and found BMW just disinterested. Personally found the F15 not to be enough of a change/upgrade to justify the cost. Combined with lucky timing at Porsche with the run out Cayenne Platinum (ordered mid-Feb, took delivery start of May), got a good discount there, and a higher part-ex from Porsche than BMW were willing to give a year before when looking at a new M5 on the silly 0% deals.

Think it's a tougher choice now though. Cayenne facelift due and I'd imagine higher pricing to be in touch with the RRS and not overlapping with the Macan. Q7 is ageing and due for replacement. I'd imagine you're not interested in poxy 4 pots so can't see you going for an ML as engine choice is pretty weak after the 3.0sd lump. I would try and hunt out a Cayenne stock car if I were you - but then I would say that.
Thinking about going totally left field.

Keep the X5. It's been very reliable, is worth apparently £15k...has done less than 35k miles fully warrented etc.

Could buy something relatively new like an M5 for the £45k it would cost to get me into a new X5.

I'd like to get something silly with 2 seats but I know it just won't get used.

Carmo99

1,308 posts

185 months

Thursday 26th June 2014
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Cheib said:
Thinking about going totally left field.

Keep the X5. It's been very reliable, is worth apparently £15k...has done less than 35k miles fully warrented etc.

Could buy something relatively new like an M5 for the £45k it would cost to get me into a new X5.

I'd like to get something silly with 2 seats but I know it just won't get used.
I went through the same dilemma, I almost bought a 997 (first a GTS, then a C4S then... ) idea was to keep the E70 and have a fun weekend car. In the end as I will be driving a lot in the next 3 years I stuck with the new X5 . I felt I couldn't justify XX Pounds on a toy but could on the "family" car and the last thing I want to do at the weekend is go for a drive.

I am still not sure I did the right thing, but I also think there is no wrong decision. I should however add I'll be getting an M4 next year for the wife so I suppose I still have the weekend option if I want it.

worsy

5,776 posts

174 months

Thursday 26th June 2014
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Same dilemma. I'd use the x5 more so that is where the money went. Wife has a Golf Gti for a hoon every now and then smile

Carmo99

1,308 posts

185 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Those of you thinking if you should change from and E70 to the F15, I can definitely recommend this. One week old and 1200km later, I'm very impressed and its a major improvement.
I upgraded from a 3.0d to the M50d, so there is more than enough power. It sounds great inside the car, even a bit V8 ish plus over 40 mpg on a run. I drove over the Alps during the week and the handling (in sport) is great. Its much smoother and very quiet when not pushing on. The electric steering is very different and takes some getting used to, but not a problem, just different.

I'm still running in so max 3'500rpm which is still over 200kmh on the autobahn, it felt like a 100. I'll give it the full beans once its run in, then I'll try Sport + but I've no idea what it actually does. Suppose I could read the manual.