535i Manual gearbox.
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Hello all (particularly Lowtimer), I am considering selling my manual F11 535i Touring. It's a very late 2010 car, M sport spec, in black with brown (far better than it sounds!) leather. It was a company car for the first 99,000 mainly motorway miles, and was owned by someone that obviously placed driving pleasure above all else when speccing their company car.
As a result, it could be classed as 'poverty' spec in so much as it has only partially electric seats, the smaller of the two screens, no satnav, no auto folding mirrors and suchlike. However, it does have a peach of an engine and a proper gearbox, and I have wanted for no gadgets (less to go wrong).
I'm only considering selling at this point, can't think of much to match it but can feel itchy feet coming on. It's on about 114k miles now, more details available on request. Do get in touch if you're interested, price wise I'm open to offers but it will have to be an interesting figure to make a switch to something else feasible.
Cheers.
As a result, it could be classed as 'poverty' spec in so much as it has only partially electric seats, the smaller of the two screens, no satnav, no auto folding mirrors and suchlike. However, it does have a peach of an engine and a proper gearbox, and I have wanted for no gadgets (less to go wrong).
I'm only considering selling at this point, can't think of much to match it but can feel itchy feet coming on. It's on about 114k miles now, more details available on request. Do get in touch if you're interested, price wise I'm open to offers but it will have to be an interesting figure to make a switch to something else feasible.
Cheers.
philmots said:
How long are you keeping it for?
You can bet when the car is around 8 years old it will be worth more than the auto. People would be (rightly) scared of the auto going pop.
Really? You can bet when the car is around 8 years old it will be worth more than the auto. People would be (rightly) scared of the auto going pop.
So you honestly believe that the public en masse are scared (rightly) of 57/08 and older cars with auto boxes being ticking time bombs!!!
I don't believe that for one minute
Welshbeef said:
philmots said:
How long are you keeping it for?
You can bet when the car is around 8 years old it will be worth more than the auto. People would be (rightly) scared of the auto going pop.
Really? You can bet when the car is around 8 years old it will be worth more than the auto. People would be (rightly) scared of the auto going pop.
So you honestly believe that the public en masse are scared (rightly) of 57/08 and older cars with auto boxes being ticking time bombs!!!
I don't believe that for one minute
I love autos, but they are something more that's pretty complicated that can go wrong.
The 8 speed auto is superbly reliable. The manual boxes are less brilliant - plenty of stories of failed syncros and broken reverse selector forks. Plus the car is too big for a manual.
Really, manual gearboxes on big saloons etc are in the same league as TV's without a remote. Why would you do it?
Really, manual gearboxes on big saloons etc are in the same league as TV's without a remote. Why would you do it?
philmots said:
Welshbeef said:
philmots said:
How long are you keeping it for?
You can bet when the car is around 8 years old it will be worth more than the auto. People would be (rightly) scared of the auto going pop.
Really? You can bet when the car is around 8 years old it will be worth more than the auto. People would be (rightly) scared of the auto going pop.
So you honestly believe that the public en masse are scared (rightly) of 57/08 and older cars with auto boxes being ticking time bombs!!!
I don't believe that for one minute
I love autos, but they are something more that's pretty complicated that can go wrong.
In theory you could change the gearbox oil and filter at 120k miles if you really wanted to and even then it's only £300 for what would be once in a decade of driving for most people.
If you modify the vehicle beyond its max torque ability then yes you'll probably damage it/wear it out quicker than if it was standard. I believe my own cars ZF8 can cope comfortably with the M550d and even a modified version of that as such IF I did modify it then no issue
iSore said:
Really, manual gearboxes on big saloons etc are in the same league as TV's without a
remote. Why would you do it?
Because some people prefer a manual gearbox to an automatic, I don't understand which some people take such exception to this? remote. Why would you do it?
A family friend has one of these and really likes it, would love a go in one.
BorkFactor said:
iSore said:
Really, manual gearboxes on big saloons etc are in the same league as TV's without a
remote. Why would you do it?
Because some people prefer a manual gearbox to an automatic, I don't understand which some people take such exception to this? remote. Why would you do it?
A family friend has one of these and really likes it, would love a go in one.
iSore said:
The 8 speed auto is superbly reliable. The manual boxes are less brilliant - plenty of stories of failed syncros and broken reverse selector forks. Plus the car is too big for a manual.
Really, manual gearboxes on big saloons etc are in the same league as TV's without a remote. Why would you do it?
Why is a 535i too big for a manual ??? It weighs a fair bit less than an E39 M5. Really, manual gearboxes on big saloons etc are in the same league as TV's without a remote. Why would you do it?
REALOEM shows that the manual 535i uses same gearbox as the E9* 335i/330D and is same box as the E60 M5 uses. A mapped N54 and N55 motors delivers slightly more torque than a standard *30D or E60 M5 so I doubt there will be any concerns; I've done over 40k miles in a mapped manual N54 ( > 400+ lb-ft ) with no concerns at all.
Edited by Crackie on Thursday 31st December 03:20
BorkFactor said:
iSore said:
Really, manual gearboxes on big saloons etc are in the same league as TV's without a
remote. Why would you do it?
Because some people prefer a manual gearbox to an automatic, I don't understand which some people take such exception to this? remote. Why would you do it?
A family friend has one of these and really likes it, would love a go in one.
Plus, I have owned five BMWs in which I've done something like 600,000 miles combined. Both autos broke their gearboxes at around the 140,000 mile mark. Three manuals, no transmission problems at all.
iSore said:
The car is too big for a manual.
Really, manual gearboxes on big saloons etc are in the same league as TV's without a remote. Why would you do it?
Sorry? The car is hardly heavier than a 3 series. And people have manual gearboxes because they like changing gear. They like the control and interaction regardless of how 'big' the car is. I have a manual 3.0 5 series, a manual Z4M, a manual Allroad and a manual defender. I have had a couple of autos including a 530d and they have been unrelentingly dim witted. I struggle to understand why you'd want to mask an interesting engine with an auto. I've no doubt that when the OP comes to sell his 535i it will be worth more than it's manual equivalent - every time i've sold a manual 330i. 530i, 330d, 530d etc I have always been inundated with enquiries and sold the car immediately. Really, manual gearboxes on big saloons etc are in the same league as TV's without a remote. Why would you do it?
iSore said:
Really, manual gearboxes on big saloons etc are in the same league as TV's without a remote. Why would you do it?
I had a line of people wanting to buy my E61 525d manual so I can't agree with this even slightly. Manual/auto boxes in a 5 series cater for different tastes but th demand is definitely there.
It is characteristic of recent generations of high-end cars that the new buyer tends to specify auto transmission, probably because most of what they do is grinding around the M25 or similar hell-holes at rush hour and just want an easy life, and are under warranty anyway, but after a decade or so the manuals are much more keenly desired by enthusiasts. Combined with the restricted supply of manuals, and the modern-day ability to easily search for cars for sale anywhere in the country, that persistent demand underpins values.
Lowtimer said:
It is characteristic of recent generations of high-end cars that the new buyer tends to specify auto transmission, probably because most of what they do is grinding around the M25 or similar hell-holes at rush hour and just want an easy life, and are under warranty anyway, but after a decade or so the manuals are much more keenly desired by enthusiasts. Combined with the restricted supply of manuals, and the modern-day ability to easily search for cars for sale anywhere in the country, that persistent demand underpins values.
I don't that's true at all - demand seems highler simply because there are hardly any available so l"lots" of people keeping powder dry then jumping onto the one which becomes available. It's a bit like why is a 535d worth notably more used than a 530d like for like / potentially more than the original pricing differential it's simply basic economics supply v demand.
Lowtimer said:
Er, supply and demand is exactly what I was talking about.
And if you want one it may be that you have to buy new or make compromises in spec age condition price and willing to trawl up and down the country looking for them. Simply put new can you actually buy a 540i stick shifter? Nope so it's all a moot point anyway 5 years time unless your willing to drive round in an old car you'll have no option
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