335d xdrive a bit slow....
Discussion
Mattt said:
With the brakes, I find there's not much bite initially - but press harder and they do stop the car well!
Yes I find the same, strange as they feel quite heavily servoed but there is a dead space between light braking and as you say pressing a lot harder that you have to go through to get some real bite. I have just come out of a F31 330D after 20k miles and previously ran E 92 M3 CP. It takes sometime to adjust driving styles to use the wave of torque, although with this car I felt the 8 speed transmission is the real star. When the car left me it was quicker and after 5k miles a noticeable improvement in throttle response became evident. I think your car will
be similar and a good bit quicker!
Hardly a surprise it is a bit lacking after the frozen edition M3 particularly over those North Yorkshire roads.
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Wills2,
Don't be fooled - its a quick car. I'm currently in a 330D F31, having come from a DCT E92 M3. The thing that strikes is that the F31 is so much more refined and quiet, that, in reality, you really just don't know the speed you are doing. I've had this confirmed to be a number o times now by passengers in the car at just how quick we have been travelling.
I would also agree with others - it's no petrol, and just a wave of torque, unlike the M3 that just got more savage as you got higher up the rev range.
Joust
Don't be fooled - its a quick car. I'm currently in a 330D F31, having come from a DCT E92 M3. The thing that strikes is that the F31 is so much more refined and quiet, that, in reality, you really just don't know the speed you are doing. I've had this confirmed to be a number o times now by passengers in the car at just how quick we have been travelling.
I would also agree with others - it's no petrol, and just a wave of torque, unlike the M3 that just got more savage as you got higher up the rev range.
Joust
Wills2 said:
It isn't a tailing off I feel as the engine gets better from 3k upwards it's from 1k-3k where it feels flat.
No, the power is not tailing off, the power is climbing and the car will feel quicker, but when the torque starts from 1000rpm and is not rapidly climbing it can feel a bit more lethargic. The more aggressive the power curve the more we feel it in the seat.
Sit in a car doing a constant 130mph kicking out 350bhp and the only sense of speed you have is visual, aural and through vibration, if you were doing that speed in a hover car you wouldn't even know you are moving. We can feel changes in speed rather than speed itself, so get a very linear power curve with a flat or slightly dipping torque curve and it can all feel a bit calm.
E46 M3 Power curve...
It just keeps climbing and climbing, the power feels relentless.
One will give you drama, the other will be nice and relaxing, depends what you want from a car, and hence why so many get annoyed when people say "My mapped 335d is as quick as an M3". Yeah it is, but that is completely missing the point.
Edited by gizlaroc on Monday 18th August 21:42
Yes there was an element of that, I was struck my the plainness of the interior compared to my old frozen edition M3 the lack of drama etc... (but what was I expecting!?)
I've got more used to the car now and if you put it in Sport+ and knock the gear lever to the left it responds quite well, I've started to appreciate the torque and traction from the AWD as well, it also rides brilliantly and soaks up the bumps and ruts you find on the road.
I think you have to take a car on its merits rather than compare to your previous car (which I said I wouldn't do but was guilty of)
Wills2 said:
Yes there was an element of that, I was struck my the plainness of the interior compared to my old frozen edition M3 the lack of drama etc... (but what was I expecting!?)
I've got more used to the car now and if you put it in Sport+ and knock the gear lever to the left it responds quite well, I've started to appreciate the torque and traction from the AWD as well, it also rides brilliantly and soaks up the bumps and ruts you find on the road.
I think you have to take a car on its merits rather than compare to your previous car (which I said I wouldn't do but was guilty of)
Good to hear you're getting there, nothing more frustrating than spending a load of money on a car only to realise you've got it wrong (been there before!). I have to say our E91 335d has grown on me and, unlike previous diesels in my experience, it actually seems to achieve something vaguely approaching it's combined figure on a run without the need to drive like a granny. Took it across from home in North Yorkshire to Stockport last week and when the fuel gauge was down to three-quarters full it had covered 175 miles whereas in the same situation my E92 335i would have shown 130 miles at best. I know from having logged it over 30k miles that my 335i averages just over 30mpg so if the 335d is 25%-30% better that's pretty good going IMO; it offers similar performance to the petrol and, whilst it's not as refined, if most of your driving is on motorways you don't really notice (at least not until you slow down for the give-way at the end of the slip road!). For 15k miles a year or less I'd still take the petrol but if you're a high mileage driver and/or need the four-wheel drive then the F31 335d makes a very good case for itself in my view.I've got more used to the car now and if you put it in Sport+ and knock the gear lever to the left it responds quite well, I've started to appreciate the torque and traction from the AWD as well, it also rides brilliantly and soaks up the bumps and ruts you find on the road.
I think you have to take a car on its merits rather than compare to your previous car (which I said I wouldn't do but was guilty of)
This has made for an interesting thread for me because we are currently considering a 435d and I never really got on with my E92 M3 unless you kept it above 6k rpm so its good to read different opinions but I just wish you could buy a car that has epic low down shove and a great top end too but it seems that is never going to happen so you have to choose the characteristic you prefer the most it seems.
cerb4.5lee said:
This has made for an interesting thread for me because we are currently considering a 435d and I never really got on with my E92 M3 unless you kept it above 6k rpm so its good to read different opinions but I just wish you could buy a car that has epic low down shove and a great top end too but it seems that is never going to happen so you have to choose the characteristic you prefer the most it seems.
435i, Alpina B3, new M3 all offer what you're looking for. C63 AMG, new 5.5l turbo Mercs too.
After the F31 330d I find the 235i power delivery just about right for me as a road car. In fact the engine sounds preferable to
the manufactured audio on the M4 in my opinion. The occasional issue with the 330d reflected my wish to hang on to lower gears and then running into the limiter.....not the way to drive and a hangover from S54 M3 ownership. The 35i engine doesn't have the drama of the v8 but is a pretty good option for a small(ish) coupe.
the manufactured audio on the M4 in my opinion. The occasional issue with the 330d reflected my wish to hang on to lower gears and then running into the limiter.....not the way to drive and a hangover from S54 M3 ownership. The 35i engine doesn't have the drama of the v8 but is a pretty good option for a small(ish) coupe.
gizlaroc said:
cerb4.5lee said:
This has made for an interesting thread for me because we are currently considering a 435d and I never really got on with my E92 M3 unless you kept it above 6k rpm so its good to read different opinions but I just wish you could buy a car that has epic low down shove and a great top end too but it seems that is never going to happen so you have to choose the characteristic you prefer the most it seems.
435i, Alpina B3, new M3 all offer what you're looking for. C63 AMG, new 5.5l turbo Mercs too.
Wills2 said:
Mattt said:
With the brakes, I find there's not much bite initially - but press harder and they do stop the car well!
Yes I find the same, strange as they feel quite heavily servoed but there is a dead space between light braking and as you say pressing a lot harder that you have to go through to get some real bite. Just find some empty road and press the brake pedal as hard as you can and see what happens. If you do it correctly you should get the hazards flashing. If they dont flash man up and repeat.
gizlaroc said:
No, the power is not tailing off, the power is climbing and the car will feel quicker, but when the torque starts from 1000rpm and is not rapidly climbing it can feel a bit more lethargic.
The more aggressive the power curve the more we feel it in the seat.
Sit in a car doing a constant 130mph kicking out 350bhp and the only sense of speed you have is visual, aural and through vibration, if you were doing that speed in a hover car you wouldn't even know you are moving. We can feel changes in speed rather than speed itself, so get a very linear power curve with a flat or slightly dipping torque curve and it can all feel a bit calm.
E46 M3 Power curve...
It just keeps climbing and climbing, the power feels relentless.
One will give you drama, the other will be nice and relaxing, depends what you want from a car, and hence why so many get annoyed when people say "My mapped 335d is as quick as an M3". Yeah it is, but that is completely missing the point.
Yes I agree with you, but you do keep posting the wrong power graphs, that's the S65 not S54, but your point still stands. The more aggressive the power curve the more we feel it in the seat.
Sit in a car doing a constant 130mph kicking out 350bhp and the only sense of speed you have is visual, aural and through vibration, if you were doing that speed in a hover car you wouldn't even know you are moving. We can feel changes in speed rather than speed itself, so get a very linear power curve with a flat or slightly dipping torque curve and it can all feel a bit calm.
E46 M3 Power curve...
It just keeps climbing and climbing, the power feels relentless.
One will give you drama, the other will be nice and relaxing, depends what you want from a car, and hence why so many get annoyed when people say "My mapped 335d is as quick as an M3". Yeah it is, but that is completely missing the point.
I went out for a drive in the dales today Skipton to Kirby Lonsdale (nice road when lightly trafficked) quite enjoyed it too, car hangs on well and feels RWD as you punch out of a corner.
The car goes quickly with little effort did a few long overtakes on well clear sighted sections and it does pile on the pace, but like you say the relentless top end delivery isn't there.
Wills2 said:
Yes I agree with you, but you do keep posting the wrong power graphs, that's the S65 not S54, but your point still stands.
Sorry, should have looked at it more, just googled e46 M3 Power Curve and grabbed the first image, but you got what I meant. I have edited the post now to show an E36 3.2 power curve.
Wills2 said:
I went out for a drive in the dales today Skipton to Kirby Lonsdale (nice road when lightly trafficked) quite enjoyed it too, car hangs on well and feels RWD as you punch out of a corner.
The car goes quickly with little effort did a few long overtakes on well clear sighted sections and it does pile on the pace, but like you say the relentless top end delivery isn't there.
But you may grow to like it, a lot. The car goes quickly with little effort did a few long overtakes on well clear sighted sections and it does pile on the pace, but like you say the relentless top end delivery isn't there.
It is just very different.
gizlaroc said:
Wills2 said:
Yes I agree with you, but you do keep posting the wrong power graphs, that's the S65 not S54, but your point still stands.
Sorry, should have looked at it more, just googled e46 M3 Power Curve and grabbed the first image, but you got what I meant. I have edited the post now to show an E36 3.2 power curve.
Wills2 said:
I went out for a drive in the dales today Skipton to Kirby Lonsdale (nice road when lightly trafficked) quite enjoyed it too, car hangs on well and feels RWD as you punch out of a corner.
The car goes quickly with little effort did a few long overtakes on well clear sighted sections and it does pile on the pace, but like you say the relentless top end delivery isn't there.
But you may grow to like it, a lot. The car goes quickly with little effort did a few long overtakes on well clear sighted sections and it does pile on the pace, but like you say the relentless top end delivery isn't there.
It is just very different.
Cheers
bad company said:
I changed from a 640d to a 335s xdrive in May. I haven't checked the performance but the new car feels quicker than the 6 series to me. Still from what is being said here it might get quicker still as I have only done 2300 miles.
The cars share the same engine, with identical outputs, so the weight advantage will make the 335d faster. The 4wd of the 335d will also make it significantly quicker off the line.Gassing Station | BMW General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff