335d xdrive a bit slow....

[Soov535]

cerb4.5lee said:

Soov535 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Wills2 said:

But it is so utterly boring as it does it, effective but not exciting.

You miss the different engine characteristics of the M3 then I am guessing a little.

It just needs time.

GOD I miss my RS4, but I do love the brutal torque of the 535d.

I bet the 535d is a quality bit of kit I notice you do similar miles a year to us and its one of the reasons we are considering swapping from petrol and back to diesel.

It's a truly magnificent car in every way. I just wish it sounded better.

[bennyboysvuk]

ATM said:

There was PH'ers 130i with LSD for sale at Birds but it's SOLD. Worth keeping an eye out. I've seen a couple of M135i for sale with Quaife too.

http://www.birdsgarage.co.uk/used-cars/bmw-1-serie...

That was the car that really got me thinking about a 130i with LSD. I'll certainly keep an eye out for a Quaife equipped M135i though when the time comes. Part of me thinks that a 130i will be a more responsive, less synthetic drive than the M135i, which is why it's an option.

[ATM]

bennyboysvuk said:

ATM said:

There was PH'ers 130i with LSD for sale at Birds but it's SOLD. Worth keeping an eye out. I've seen a couple of M135i for sale with Quaife too.

http://www.birdsgarage.co.uk/used-cars/bmw-1-serie...

That was the car that really got me thinking about a 130i with LSD. I'll certainly keep an eye out for a Quaife equipped M135i though when the time comes. Part of me thinks that a 130i will be a more responsive, less synthetic drive than the M135i, which is why it's an option.

The 135 is a turbo so there is some turbo lag but it is very minimal and you;d be hard pressed to really notice it. I'm only guessing because my car has the same engine. Still an F20 is going to be twice the price of the earlier car but 4 or 5 years newer.

[bennyboysvuk]

ATM said:

The 135 is a turbo so there is some turbo lag but it is very minimal and you;d be hard pressed to really notice it. I'm only guessing because my car has the same engine. Still an F20 is going to be twice the price of the earlier car but 4 or 5 years newer.

I've driven the auto M135i and the lag was unnoticeable, however I put that down to the auto making allowances at low rpms.

I found myself walking around Barons BMW on Sunday, having a look at their stock. They had a 5 door in Estoril blue, but it was an auto. I couldn't help but find their two E92 M3s more evocative though as I walked around, but they're off the list since I really need a 5 door hatchback.

[cerb4.5lee]

Just had a little bit of fun with a 335d xdrive touring on the A1 in the 640d and I didn't think it was slow at all and in fact it was a fair bit quicker than the 640d...time for a remap I feel!

I thought it would be quite close and I know the 640 is a heavy barge but the tourer is carrying the 4wd additional weight too, we were both waiting for a lorry to move into the inside lane and the 335d was in front and then we both gunned it from about 60 to around 110.

It was one of the few occasions that I was wanting more power/pace from it so I can see why plenty get the engines mapped to give them some more urge, the 6 series weight certainly penalises it.

[Wills2]

Only about 100kg difference between the two Lee and at speed that wouldn't really count, perhaps he'd already had a tune put on it.

[cerb4.5lee]

Yes and in my head I thought they would be pretty close in terms of weight but wasn't exactly sure but I was ready to gun it and so was he it seems! and he was pulling a gap on me and I was impressed by it and I did possibly think he may have mapped it.

He was certainly ready for me that's for sure and blitzed me fair and square...I felt pretty flat after and I think I need a M6 now!

Can I borrow your M5 for my next trip up and down the A1 please.

[Wills2]

cerb4.5lee said:

Can I borrow your M5 for my next trip up and down the A1 please.

Only problem there is in this damp dank weather you'd be sitting there spinning the wheels, it likes to wag its tail even at 90mph.

[Wills2]

bad company said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Wills2 said:

But it is so utterly boring as it does it, effective but not exciting.

You miss the different engine characteristics of the M3 then I am guessing a little.

I'm sure the M3 is better but the 335d is a hell of a car for much less money.

Well the M3 was 45k (new in 2012) and the 335d was 40k (new in 2014) so not as big of a difference once you add in the discounts from list (63k vs. 49k)

[cerb4.5lee]

Wills2 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Can I borrow your M5 for my next trip up and down the A1 please.

Only problem there is in this damp dank weather you'd be sitting there spinning the wheels, it likes to wag its tail even at 90mph.

that sounds scary!

I bet you have lots of fun in it though but you have to show a fair bit of restraint with the current conditions I appreciate, I would love one

[Wills2]

It can be scary TBH when it does that, truth is its got too much torque so you can't use the power in the lower gears, I prefer my old e92 m3 overall.

It needs more "feel" you're a bit isolated from the action and when you do slam your foot down you're holding on as it goes berserk...

My mate has just got an RS6 and he runs rings round me in it, he drove mine and went sideways as he pulled away.....he said "st why is it doing that?!"

[cerb4.5lee]

Yes the M3 I thought was really good at getting its power down and when you mention "feel" I thought of my TVR as it wasn't first rate in sophistication but it did communicate well as to what the rear end was doing yet still pretty mental in the wet.

The 640 has the most torque I have experienced at 464 but to my surprise it delivers it to the road without fuss but I didn't expect that, as with the 330d its traction light used to light up like a Christmas tree almost all the time!

I bet your mate got a shock when he had a go in the M5!

[abarber]

The diesel has to run gearing that is ~1/3rd longer, so you can take that off the actual thrust at the rear wheels straight away.

Think of starting a push bike in top gear.

The M5 however

[Wills2]

Slippydiff said:

Wills2 said:

My mate has just got an RS6 and he runs rings round me in it, he drove mine and went sideways as he pulled away.....he said "st why is it doing that?!"

A perfect insight to the mindset of most Audi RS drivers

Honestly....he's always banging on about "surefootedness" When he said why is the back end coming round? I said it's called "fun"

Obviously I haven't admitted my car has scared me stless on a few occasions...

[Wills2]

cerb4.5lee said:

Yes the M3 I thought was really good at getting its power down and when you mention "feel" I thought of my TVR as it wasn't first rate in sophistication but it did communicate well as to what the rear end was doing yet still pretty mental in the wet.

Your Cerbera would and is on another level! I'd love to drive one, I sat in one once when I was 20 at HHC I thought, Wow you're so low how could you drive this beast!

[cerb4.5lee]

Wills2 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Yes the M3 I thought was really good at getting its power down and when you mention "feel" I thought of my TVR as it wasn't first rate in sophistication but it did communicate well as to what the rear end was doing yet still pretty mental in the wet.

Your Cerbera would and is on another level! I'd love to drive one, I sat in one once when I was 20 at HHC I thought, Wow you're so low how could you drive this beast!

Cheers and funnily enough it was when I sat in a chimaera at the motor show when I was 21 and that made me really want a TVR one day.

[Welshbeef]

Wills2 said:

Well the M3 was 45k (new in 2012) and the 335d was 40k (new in 2014) so not as big of a difference once you add in the discounts from list (63k vs. 49k)

It would be interesting to see what their relative market prices are now used - both rare and desirable - to see the true cost of both over said timeframe.



When I fully load up the throttle in tip trionic hold the gear situation I do get the occasional TC flashing. I really do fancy turning up the remap from std to 380odd bhp that's a big chunk extra.

The new G series 5 series will have right hand drive 550d and 4 turbos? But the 535d will be truned up yet again more economy more pace a quality problem

[bad company]

Wills2 said:

bad company said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Wills2 said:

But it is so utterly boring as it does it, effective but not exciting.

You miss the different engine characteristics of the M3 then I am guessing a little.

I'm sure the M3 is better but the 335d is a hell of a car for much less money.

Well the M3 was 45k (new in 2012) and the 335d was 40k (new in 2014) so not as big of a difference once you add in the discounts from list (63k vs. 49k)

No not such a huge difference there BUT the running costs will be very different. Fuel, insurance, tyres (never got more than 8000 miles from a set on my M5), and servicing etc., will all cost considrably more.

[Wills2]

bad company said:

Wills2 said:

bad company said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Wills2 said:

But it is so utterly boring as it does it, effective but not exciting.

You miss the different engine characteristics of the M3 then I am guessing a little.

I'm sure the M3 is better but the 335d is a hell of a car for much less money.

Well the M3 was 45k (new in 2012) and the 335d was 40k (new in 2014) so not as big of a difference once you add in the discounts from list (63k vs. 49k)

No not such a huge difference there BUT the running costs will be very different. Fuel, insurance, tyres (never got more than 8000 miles from a set on my M5), and servicing etc., will all cost considrably more.

Not really apart from the fuel, servicing they both had the service pack, insurance the same, tyres not too much in it be that price or how long they last.

I've 25k on my current set and there is life left in them you must have driven your m5 pretty hard everywhere.

[drmark]

Wills2 said:

Honestly....he's always banging on about "surefootedness" When he said why is the back end coming round? I said it's called "fun"

Obviously I haven't admitted my car has scared me stless on a few occasions...

I must hang my head and say I am one of those guys now. In five years I have gone from a 996 GT3 to a C7 RS6 via flirtation with BMW and AMG. If you really have to put 560PS down on dark, wet , leaf strewn roads then the RS6 has no rivals - I don't consider it fun having to catch the back all the time unless conditions are good and nowt coming the other way. Plus the latest RS6 needs a firm hand in its wildest setting - no longer just point and squirt.

Good to have a wild child for the weekend though