F30 335D delivery dates slipping

[theboss]

JNW1 said:

Welshbeef said:

Look at his Car history some lovely motors in guessing he might be using lots of the power lots more of he time than most

Perhaps but unless you're not worried about keeping your licence you can't drive like that on motorways. Only Wills knows to what extent those mpg figures reflect a leaden foot but 40mpg is 20% down on the claimed combined figure and 35mpg is 30% adrift; those are big shortfalls in my book and if nothing else appear to kill the myth that these 3 litre diesels will give you over 40mpg even when thrashed....

Edit to add:
I would however say that our E91 335d will do high 30's on a run and therefore I would expect low 40's from an F31 in the same circumstances!

Edited by JNW1 on Sunday 14th September 19:30

Surely it is, in your own words, only a myth that these 3l diesels will do "over 40mpg even when thrashed"? My F20 125d will barely do more than 40mpg when thrashed, and although I haven't had the latest F-model diesels, I was certainly happy to cruise around in 530d and 730d in the past, seeing high 30's on fast paced runs.

I would be astonished if anyone could *really* get 45mpg+ consistently in even the newest 3l diesels when pressing on.

I do like diesels, and I do appreciate the economy vs performance merits of these cars, but I keep thinking the economy claims are a little overstated to the point of ridiculousness or maybe just blind optimism.

Edited by theboss on Sunday 14th September 20:02

[JNW1]

theboss said:

Surely it is, in your own words, only a myth that these 3l diesels will do "over 40mpg even when thrashed"? My F20 125d will barely do more than 40mpg when thrashed, and although I haven't had the latest F-model diesels, I was certainly happy to cruise around in 530d and 730d in the past, seeing high 30's on fast paced runs.

I would be astonished if anyone could *really* get 45mpg+ consistently in even the newest 3l diesels when pressing on.

I do like diesels, and I do appreciate the economy vs performance merits of these cars, but I keep thinking the economy claims are a little overstated to the point of ridiculousness or maybe just blind optimism.

Edited by theboss on Sunday 14th September 20:02

I tend to agree with you boss but there are diesel drivers out there who will try to convince you otherwise; I refer you to Knitware's comments on page 2 of the thread below and while he's talking about a 330d rather than a 335d he seems to be saying 45mpg after a thrash if I read correctly...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Wills2]

Welshbeef said:

Wills care to share what MPG you achieved in the previous very nice cars on the same routes you achieved so as to benchmark

The M3s did 22-24mpg on average over the same routes the 911 around 25mpg IIRC.

I drove to the airport the other day round trip of 120 miles to Manchester and got 45mpg on the way there (drove slowly as the Mrs was in the car) on the way back the mpg had dropped to 40mpg for the journey.

If I drove at 75mph in the M3 on a run I'd get 28mpg the same in the 335d gives 45mpg over a round trip of 440 miles that does add up.

[Wills2]

If I thrash it over the moors I'll get mid 20's but the thing about diesels is you can quickly reverse that by lifting off, the big petrol engines are always drinking fuel in my experience.

[JNW1]

Wills2 said:

The M3s did 22-24mpg on average over the same routes the 911 around 25mpg IIRC.

I drove to the airport the other day round trip of 120 miles to Manchester and got 45mpg on the way there (drove slowly as the Mrs was in the car) on the way back the mpg had dropped to 40mpg for the journey.

If I drove at 75mph in the M3 on a run I'd get 28mpg the same in the 335d gives 45mpg over a round trip of 440 miles that does add up.

The above is very similar to my experience which is that petrol cars will exceed their claimed combined figure on a run when driven normally whereas diesels fall short unless you drive very gently. Therefore, while diesels are more economical than their petrol equivalents in absolute terms, the gap is often somewhat less than the published figures would have you believe. Probably too late to change my order back to a 335i from a 335d.....

[theboss]

JNW1 said:

theboss said:

Surely it is, in your own words, only a myth that these 3l diesels will do "over 40mpg even when thrashed"? My F20 125d will barely do more than 40mpg when thrashed, and although I haven't had the latest F-model diesels, I was certainly happy to cruise around in 530d and 730d in the past, seeing high 30's on fast paced runs.

I would be astonished if anyone could *really* get 45mpg+ consistently in even the newest 3l diesels when pressing on.

I do like diesels, and I do appreciate the economy vs performance merits of these cars, but I keep thinking the economy claims are a little overstated to the point of ridiculousness or maybe just blind optimism.

Edited by theboss on Sunday 14th September 20:02

I tend to agree with you boss but there are diesel drivers out there who will try to convince you otherwise; I refer you to Knitware's comments on page 2 of the thread below and while he's talking about a 330d rather than a 335d he seems to be saying 45mpg after a thrash if I read correctly...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

I think we see a lot of selective quoting. I remember my delight on collecting an E90 LCI 330i manual (like rocking horse st - how I wish I kept it!) and on a 70-odd mile run home from the supplying dealer it did something like 46mpg

On reflection most of that journey was on a very busy - but steady - Cheshire-Staffs stretch of the M6 meaning so trundles at HGV speeds with very little braking for some distance.

However if you'd asked me to put a "first impressions" post on PH that night I'd have raved about the petrol 6 being a "genuine 40+ mpg car in the real world".

Of course, was it fk, over the 20-odd thousand miles I put on it before foolishly getting rid, it averaged something like 32mpg

Same with my F20 - it's satisfying to see a 55mpg fast A-road run but (1) it will never do that at fast motorway speeds and (2) only achievable when there's virtually nobody else on the road and you can avoid using brakes for tens of miles at a time

[Wills2]

335i better car than 335d, due to the engine sound etc... stick with what you have ordered, my choice was a reaction to spending £600-700 a month on fuel.

Edit I see you've ordered the 335d! Nice car you won't be disappointed, just don't drive with the window open at low speeds!

Edited by Wills2 on Sunday 14th September 20:37

[JNW1]

Wills2 said:

335i better car than 335d, due to the engine sound etc... stick with what you have ordered, my choice was a reaction to spending £600-700 a month on fuel.

I started with an F31 335i but switched to a 335d due to a combination of annual mileage (circa 18k/annum) and fancying 4-wheel drive. Car should be here in 2-3 weeks so no turning back now!

[JNW1]

Wills2 said:

Edit I see you've ordered the 335d! Nice car you won't be disappointed, just don't drive with the window open at low speeds!

Edited by Wills2 on Sunday 14th September 20:37

To be honest I've been pleasantly surprised with the E91 335d we've had for the last few months and, on the basis the F31 should be an improvement over that in most respects, I'm still quietly confident it will do the job for me. That said I'm going in with my eyes open and there won't be any opening of windows going through tunnels!

[Wills2]

To be fair to the engine it sounds good at high revs better than I expected, it is a traffic light weapon not much will trouble you there.

It feels RWD out of corners and my last launch control (I need to stop doing that BTW) was 4.5 to 62 so it's plenty quick enough.

[JNW1]

Wills2 said:

To be fair to the engine it sounds good at high revs better than I expected, it is a traffic light weapon not much will trouble you there.

It feels RWD out of corners and my last launch control (I need to stop doing that BTW) was 4.5 to 62 so it's plenty quick enough.

At the moment I don't do much driving around town so it's more 30-90 that interests me than 0-60; that said, 4.5 seconds to 62 is impressive and you're right, not much will match that! However, I will be a touch disappointed if a can't average fuel consumption starting with a 4 when it all settles down; over 30k miles I've averaged just over 30mpg from my E92 335i (about 10% off the combined figure) so surely a 335d won't be more than 20% off its combined figure in the same circumstances - will it?!

[Wills2]

It's the ease with which the performance is accessed as well, my m3 was a handful if you floored it but the xdrive 335d just goes with minimum fuss and drama, the in gear times are impressive as well.

Sport + makes the car much more responsive, Oh and I never use eco pro I'm generally in sport that may explain the MPG.

On economy I've gone from 20-24mpg to 35-40 (45 if I want too) so I'm spending £200-250 less on fuel, the gap between the 335i and 335d won't be huge 30 vs 40?

Edited by Wills2 on Sunday 14th September 21:23

[335d]

JNW1 said:

At the moment I don't do much driving around town so it's more 30-90 that interests me than 0-60; that said, 4.5 seconds to 62 is impressive and you're right, not much will match that! However, I will be a touch disappointed if a can't average fuel consumption starting with a 4 when it all settles down; over 30k miles I've averaged just over 30mpg from my E92 335i (about 10% off the combined figure) so surely a 335d won't be more than 20% off its combined figure in the same circumstances - will it?!

I think you can expect about 40mpg, given what you get at the moment. Plus of course the new car will be a fair bit quicker

[JNW1]

Wills2 said:

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the gap between the 335i and 335d won't be huge 30 vs 40?

Edited by Wills2 on Sunday 14th September 21:23

If my 335d averages out at 40+ when it arrives I'll be happy with that. The combined figures suggest a gap of around 17mpg between one of those and my E92 335i and whilst I'm sure that will prove optimistic I think a difference of 10mpg is not unreasonable to expect; therefore, given the 335i has averaged a genuine 30mpg I think (hope!) 40 from the 335d should be achievable! However, less than 40 and I'll be thinking an F31 335i or an S4 Avant may have been a better choice.....

[JNW1]

335d said:

I think you can expect about 40mpg, given what you get at the moment. Plus of course the new car will be a fair bit quicker

Thanks for the reassuring words on the mpg! Not really expecting the new car to be significantly quicker though; no doubt quicker off the line due to improved traction but any other performance gains over my 335i will be a bonus!

[tjlees]

330d touring on 18inch wheels (1735kg kerb weight 0.31cd) achieves 42.6mpg average, 53.6mpg touring and 17.5mpg on the track in the hands of autocar.

The 435i on 19inch wheels (1640kg kerb weight 0.28cd) got 27.6mpg average, 36.9mpg touring and 10.9mpg on the track.

Btw the m4 gets 28.7 average, 35.6mpg touring and 11.1mpg on the track with a kerb weight of 1610kg and 0.34cd

Choose your engine, press the loud petal hard/soft as you like and select your mpg!

Personally if achieve 40+mpg average in 335d with some spirited driving, I'll be happy.

[evilscooby]

tjlees said:

Inkyfingers said:

tjlees said:

...and the blue callipers matches the estriol blue metallic

But seriously, it would be an easier second sale for a 335d if you have the m sport plus pack on. I have though about removing the brakes to get the car early, but providing the stealer can sort me out with a loaner then I'm willing to wait.

Have you spoken to the dealer about a loan car? When I ordered my new car I was assured that the new car would be delivered before my current car lease ended (on a Merc), now this is looking very unlikely.

Yes confirmed with the manager by email, providing you have ordered directly through the stealer and give them your situation they should keep you sweet, including absorbing the nov price rise if applicable.

What do I need to do to talk them into a loan car? And what sort of car do you get? i.e. do they give you a 116d loan car while you are waiting for a 335d. Do you still pay for it monthly?

I would quite like to hand them my s4 now

[evilscooby]

Also, does anyone have any details on the difference of the m sport brakes as I couldn't see anything in the brochure and the dealer just said they were blue callipers but I'm assuming there is a lot more to it since there are delays.
Is it bigger calliper and bigger disks? Different type of disks?

[JNW1]

evilscooby said:

Also, does anyone have any details on the difference of the m sport brakes as I couldn't see anything in the brochure and the dealer just said they were blue callipers but I'm assuming there is a lot more to it since there are delays.
Is it bigger calliper and bigger disks? Different type of disks?

I've seen conflicting comments about this on other forums with some claiming the M-Sport Plus system consists of painted callipers but nothing else! Personally I don't believe that (surely nobody in their right mind would pay hundreds of pounds just to have blue callipers!) and a more plausible explanation is that the M-Sport Plus Brakes consist of larger discs and uprated callipers. On the 335i the front discs are apparently 370mm v 340mm standard, rears are 340mm v 330mm standard; front callipers are 4 piston on both systems bur rear callipers are twin piston on the upgraded system while only single piston as standard. Not sure whether there's any difference with the pads but have seen the odd comment to the effect you seem to get quite a lot of brake dust with the M-Sport Plus system?

[superlightr]

just to add some more info which may or may not be relevant. Just ordered a new 535d Msport touring a week ago with a delivery date of 18.12.14 quite a long lead time but will be a nice xmas present. Not sure if its a long time due to all these 3's being ordered !!??!!

Also went from a 6.3 petrol to the diesel devil fuel.