F30 335D delivery dates slipping

F30 335D delivery dates slipping

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Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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Wills2 said:
Welshbeef said:
So really a used buyer could get the LCI 330d e90 and have a quicker out of the box car than the f30 335d
An e90 330d isn't quicker out of the box than a f30 335d at all, your looking at 6.1 vs 4.8 to 62 a big difference.

A mapped E90 330D LCI gives 313bhp the F30 335d gives 308bhp

Point was you can have Rwd and 335d performance for at most 50% of the F30 335d cost.





I know the f30 is a vastly better car

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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Mattt said:
Well if all you care about is speed then maybe, but IMO the E90 and F30 are quite different cars in many areas.
Having just traded an E91 for an F31 I'd agree completely with that; the E91 is a pretty decent car but the F31 has moved the game along and things like the gearbox in the E91 frankly feel prehistoric compared to the 8 speeder in the current model...

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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JNW1 said:
Having just traded an E91 for an F31 I'd agree completely with that; the E91 is a pretty decent car but the F31 has moved the game along and things like the gearbox in the E91 frankly feel prehistoric compared to the 8 speeder in the current model...
When I tested the F30 330d M sport with M performance plus pack 8 speed was a work of art utterly sublime (and with f30 330ds on AUC with M sport from £27k lots of toys and low teens miles its a better buy than a high £teens e90 330d no question.


I'd say the rear of the E90 looks better than the F30 but that's subjective every other angle IMHO its superior (the F31 is better from every angle)

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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Welshbeef said:
Wills2 said:
Welshbeef said:
So really a used buyer could get the LCI 330d e90 and have a quicker out of the box car than the f30 335d
An e90 330d isn't quicker out of the box than a f30 335d at all, your looking at 6.1 vs 4.8 to 62 a big difference.

A mapped E90 330D LCI gives 313bhp the F30 335d gives 308bhp

Point was you can have Rwd and 335d performance for at most 50% of the F30 335d cost.
It would help if you transferred your point to the page, you said "out of the box" that means stock.




tjlees

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236 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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Welshbeef said:
Slightly different topic but Superchips have just released a remap for the F30/31 335d x drive.

It increases power to 349bhp @4,411 and looking at the graph its still producing at least 325bhp at 5,500rpm

Peak torque is 707Nm @ 2k revs!!!!! While its still producing nearly 400Nm @ 5,500 rpm.



What an engine!
cloud9

good for trackdays, and i'm assuming its relatively easy to remove?

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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Welshbeef said:
When I tested the F30 330d M sport with M performance plus pack 8 speed was a work of art utterly sublime (and with f30 330ds on AUC with M sport from £27k lots of toys and low teens miles its a better buy than a high £teens e90 330d no question.


I'd say the rear of the E90 looks better than the F30 but that's subjective every other angle IMHO its superior (the F31 is better from every angle)
To be honest in terms of exterior looks if anything I actually prefer the E91 to the F31 (the F31 looks a touch bulky in comparison to my eye); however, that's something that's obviously subjective and each to their own! However, in terms of how the car drives I'd say that overall the F31 is a significant step forward and in some areas the difference is massive (the gearbox and the ride quality being two notable examples); being a new model so it should but the idea that mapping an E91 would somehow make it the equivalent of an F31 is just nonsense IMO. You may end-up with a faster car by doing that but the overall package would still be an inferior one.

evilscooby

57 posts

161 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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I used to have a 335d coupe remapped to 340bhp and I'm really hoping this new 335d is more fun to drive as my old 335d just didn't thrill or excite. Might of been due to the old crap sluggish gearbox and lack of traction it got

Ross_T_Boss

163 posts

217 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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I've been driving 90 miles each way daily for a couple of weeks in my F31 335d touring, have a few comments on MPG. Mostly motorway with a 10 mile stretch of A-road.

I certainly 'make progress' where I can, typically averaging about 85 half way for 41-42mpg, then a slower second half often restrained to 40-70 for the remainder (some days about 30mins of stop/start traffic on top), resulting in complete journeys ranging 41-46mpg through the week.

A good run without too much traffic to slow me down - running about to Sat Nav estimated time - is very consistent at 41.5mpg combined.

Measuring on fill-up shows it to be optimistic by about 2mpg so real-world expect circa 40mpg on a long run making good progress. Car only now has 3.5k miles so it could improve a little. I'm certainly happy as similar drives in the RS6 it replaced would yield about 22mpg. I'm not far off double that without much loss of real-world performance. It's more responsive on the 8-speed box. I sure miss the noise though... I'd love a new RS6 with the engine and 'box combo. In a few years perhaps!

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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evilscooby said:
I used to have a 335d coupe remapped to 340bhp and I'm really hoping this new 335d is more fun to drive as my old 335d just didn't thrill or excite. Might of been due to the old crap sluggish gearbox and lack of traction it got
How on earth did you only lose £2k owning it for a year and 9k miles (bought £22k sold £20k) ! That's staggeringly low I'd be expecting doubly to triple that loss based on the miles and age.

Lucky you a superb buy - was it a distressed purchase

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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evilscooby said:
I used to have a 335d coupe remapped to 340bhp and I'm really hoping this new 335d is more fun to drive as my old 335d just didn't thrill or excite. Might of been due to the old crap sluggish gearbox and lack of traction it got
The latest 335d is an extremely competent car but if you're looking for thrills and excitement I think you need to be looking elsewhere; the initial impression I have of my new F31 335d is that's effortlessly quick and a great de-stress machine but if you're wanting something more involving and engaging to drive it's probably not your car IMHO (you probably need something like an M135i or M235i with a manual box instead). I'm actually very pleased with my new machine (on the basis I think it's going to fit very well with my current requirements) but ultimately it all depends on what you want from a car......


Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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JNW1 said:
The latest 335d is an extremely competent car but if you're looking for thrills and excitement I think you need to be looking elsewhere; the initial impression I have of my new F31 335d is that's effortlessly quick and a great de-stress machine but if you're wanting something more involving and engaging to drive it's probably not your car
Sums the 335d up perfectly.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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JNW1 said:
The latest 335d is an extremely competent car but if you're looking for thrills and excitement I think you need to be looking elsewhere; the initial impression I have of my new F31 335d is that's effortlessly quick and a great de-stress machine but if you're wanting something more involving and engaging to drive it's probably not your car IMHO (you probably need something like an M135i or M235i with a manual box instead). I'm actually very pleased with my new machine (on the basis I think it's going to fit very well with my current requirements) but ultimately it all depends on what you want from a car......

Would you say its possibly a car you could happily live with for the next 8 years as a daily driver?

Wills2

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174 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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moffat said:
Wills2 said:
Well that is a lot cheaper than the ACS or Hartge plugins.
Yeah, but I understand (to an extent) why the ACS, Hartge and Kellener options cost so much.

I can't see how the Superchips version is any different to the JB-D version http://www.burgertuning.com/BMW_JBD_diesel_perform...

Need to understand how many things that it is changing. The JB-D changes the fueling curve and add's a little more boost.

The expensive options like ACS seem to change more variables within the engine.

With both JB-D and Superchips I think an OBDII tool would be useful for deleting codes.

I've previously used the JB for my old 135i and it did work well but I did need to delete some codes prior to servicing.
I'd really like to understand the differences I checked and ACS fitted is £2700 vs. £400, so either the superchips solution is cheap rubbish or ACS are really overcharging.




Edited by Wills2 on Thursday 25th September 19:13

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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Welshbeef said:
Would you say its possibly a car you could happily live with for the next 8 years as a daily driver?
So far so good but 8 years is a very long time (never kept a car that long!). It's certainly a very competent daily driver and actually seems smoother and more refined than the couple of F30/31 330d's I've tried; too early to tell on performance but even on part throttle it seems very easy to put clear air between you and the car behind when the outside lane clears on a motorway. Also too early to tell on fuel consumption but it's currently showing around 42mpg on the computer; that reflects a reasonable amount of motorway and dual carriageway running but also includes dealing with rush-hour traffic in both Leeds and Manchester over the last couple of days so it's not all been easy driving conditions either. It will be interesting to see where that settles down but if I'm honest I'll be happy with anything starting with a 4 given the size of the car and the performance on offer.

However, as per one of my earlier posts, if you want something exciting and engaging to drive I do think you need to look elsewhere; in normal driving the F31 335d is probably quicker in a straight line than my old E46 M3 CS but for overall driver appeal and putting a smile on your face when you're in the mood the CS would win hands-down. Having said that, when I was negotiating the rush hour out of Manchester last night I wouldn't have wanted to be in the CS and in those circumstances the 335d makes for a very agreeable companion - just don't believe those people who try to tell you it's a sports car because frankly it isn't!

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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Hope you specified adaptive cruise - plus digital TV ----lovely options and super rare

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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Welshbeef said:
Hope you specified adaptive cruise - plus digital TV ----lovely options and super rare
No on both counts I'm afraid; had adaptive cruise on my E92 335i and it was a total waste of time IMO. I bought that car second-hand and on more than one occasion wished the original owner had saved a few quid and specced a glass sunroof instead......

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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JNW1 said:
No on both counts I'm afraid; had adaptive cruise on my E92 335i and it was a total waste of time IMO. I bought that car second-hand and on more than one occasion wished the original owner had saved a few quid and specced a glass sunroof instead......
Its supposedly vastly superior to the old fashioned system on the E9x series

Mattt

16,661 posts

217 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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I have adaptive cruise and love it.

In fact I have most of the options, except electric seats (not at £1000).

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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Welshbeef said:
Its supposedly vastly superior to the old fashioned system on the E9x series
Thing I hated was that if a car pulled into the lane in front of you the adaptive cruise braked to maintain the gap even though as the driver you could see that the car was just going to overtake something and pull back in again. The net result was that progress wasn't especially smooth (braking when unnecessary then accelerating again to regain speed it never needed to lose) whereas just lifting your foot would have had the same effect (and was almost certainly more economical as well). The only "solution" was to set the gap between the cars to the minimum possible (to reduce the chances of the above scenario happening) but that left me driving too close to the car in front for my taste so unless the road was very quiet I hardly ever used it. To be honest I'm not really a fan of cruise control anyway so I'm probably not the best judge; for me its main use is to prevent you exceeding the speed limit through those 50mph average speed checks but in general I leave it switched off whether conventional or adaptive!

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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JNW1 said:
It's certainly a very competent daily driver and actually seems smoother and more refined than the couple of F30/31 330d's I've tried
Gave a colleague a lift to the railway station following a meeting today. He hadn't seen the new car and, as it's de-badged, he couldn't tell readily what it was before he got in. He was being complimentary about the interior (which I have to say is a big step forward in terms of quality over the E9x) but then he said "so you've stuck with petrol then"; he was suitably surprised (and impressed) when I told him the nice growl to which he was referring was being made by a diesel! Given he drives a C350 Cdi Mercedes I think it's testament to just how good the 335d is in the refinement stakes; personally I still don't think it's at the level of the N55 petrol in that regard but by diesel standards it's one seriously good motor and does work very well with the 8-speed auto. So not a sports car but really quite liking it - must be getting old!