F30 335D delivery dates slipping

[JNW1]

tjlees said:

The 3 series only got a very light upgrade post the summer hols ...

From the summer of 2014, the new 8-speed Steptronic transmission with a proactive drive system
will also be available for the models of the BMW 1 Series, BMW 2 Series, BMW 3 Series, BMW 4
Series and BMW 5 Series.

Plus a few very minor tweeks.

No LEDs I'm afraid

Sounds like you'll at least get the proactive drive then. As for the lights, I still find it a bit of a disgrace that xenons are extra on a car costing as much as the 335d; perhaps they'll finally be made standard when the LED's become available as an option?

[Welshbeef]

JNW1 said:

Sounds like you'll at least get the proactive drive then. As for the lights, I still find it a bit of a disgrace that xenons are extra on a car costing as much as the 335d; perhaps they'll finally be made standard when the LED's become available as an option?

What happened with the LCI E9x was Xenons free?

[335d]

The LCI is due for MY2016 cars (Q3 2015 onwards) if they stick to the usual pattern, so still a year away. Anything beyond a modest power upgrade for the 335d seems unlikely, or they would have to upgrade the newly-released M3 as well to keep the range structure.

[Welshbeef]

335d said:

The LCI is due for MY2016 cars (Q3 2015 onwards) if they stick to the usual pattern, so still a year away. Anything beyond a modest power upgrade for the 335d seems unlikely, or they would have to upgrade the newly-released M3 as well to keep the range structure.

But upgrading a forced induction car is much easier than a N/A M3 so its possible.

I'm still amazed at the nav link to gearbox - has anyone tested it. If it works as it should then the its never in the right gear comments from stick shift Hero's simply doesn't stack up.

Technology is great.

[JNW1]

Welshbeef said:

What happened with the LCI E9x was Xenons free?

Xenons were standard on the E92/93 from the word go but remained an option on the E90/91 right up until those models were discountinued. It looks like BMW have done the same with the current range as xenons are an extra on the F30/31 but I think they're standard on the 4-Series? I can perhaps understand xenons being an option on entry level models but by the time you're getting to F30/31 335 prices they really ought to be standard IMHO.

[335d]

Welshbeef said:

But upgrading a forced induction car is much easier than a N/A M3 so its possible.

Both the 335d and M3 are turbocharged.

However, it wasn't the difficulty in raising the power output I was referring to, rather keeping the range spaced-out in performance terms, to avoid discouraging people to buy the higher model. The 335d does 0-62 in 4.8 secs, just 0.2 seconds behind a manual M4 convertible, and 0.7 secs behind an auto M3.

I appreciate that the M3/4 will pull away comfortably from the 335d at higher speeds, but I'm sure BMW will be keen to maintain the performance gap even for 0-62. I therefore expect the LCI is more likely to offer a fuel economy improvement than performance.

[tjlees]

335d said:

Both the 335d and M3 are turbocharged.

However, it wasn't the difficulty in raising the power output I was referring to, rather keeping the range spaced-out in performance terms, to avoid discouraging people to buy the higher model. The 335d does 0-62 in 4.8 secs, just 0.2 seconds behind a manual M4 convertible, and 0.7 secs behind an auto M3.

I appreciate that the M3/4 will pull away comfortably from the 335d at higher speeds, but I'm sure BMW will be keen to maintain the performance gap even for 0-62. I therefore expect the LCI is more likely to offer a fuel economy improvement than performance.

Yes, similar to the 520D modest power increase but relatively better mpg (well on paper anyway) causing its CO2 to drop to 109 from 123 for the standard model:

...The launch of the new generation has an even stronger impact on the BMW 520d and the BMW 520d xDrive.Maximum output is up by 5 kW to 140 kW/190 hp. Maximum torque has been increased by 20 Nm to 400 Nm. This ensures that they can achieve dynamic acceleration from standing: the BMW 520d Sedan accelerates from 0 to 100 km/h in 7.9 seconds, the BMW 520d Touring in 8.1 seconds. The figures for the four-wheel models are as follows: 7.9 seconds (Sedan) and 8.2 seconds (Touring). At the same time, consumption according to the EU test cycle has been dramatically reduced. Consumption is rated at 4.3 to 4.7 litres for the BMW 520d Sedan (CO2 emission: 114 – 124 g/km), 4.6 to 5.0 litres for the BMW 520d Touring (CO2 emission: 122 – 132 g/km), 4.7 to 5.1 litres for the BMW 520d xDrive Sedan (CO2 emission: 124 – 134 g/km) and 5.1 to 5.4 litres for the BMW 520d xDrive Touring (CO2 emission: 133 – 143 g/km). In conjunction with the 8-speed transmission, the BMW 520d Sedan returns an average fuel consumption to EU standard of 4.1 to 4.5 litres per 100 kilometres and a CO2 emission rating of 109 to 119 g/km. The figures for the new BMW 520d Touring with 8-speed transmission are 4.5 to 4.9 litres per 100 kilometres and 118 to 128 g/km (values dependent on selected tyre format).

[Pazuzu]

Just chased my F30 330d with Sport Plus.

Ordered early July for delivery w/c 22nd September.

Just been told that all their September stuff has been moved from September build and delivery to October build and November delivery.

I'm trying to get an exact week out of them but no luck yet.

Cheers,

Phil

[Selly85]

Pazuzu said:

Just chased my F30 330d with Sport Plus.

Ordered early July for delivery w/c 22nd September.

Just been told that all their September stuff has been moved from September build and delivery to October build and November delivery.

I'm trying to get an exact week out of them but no luck yet.

Cheers,

Phil

I ordered an F30 330D with Msport plus package at the beginning of August. I was originally estimated delivery for early-mid October. I have now been also told that there is a delay and to expect delivery mid November time.

My dealer has also confirmed that there will be a price increase from 1st November(they didn't say how much). As a gesture of "good will", they will make sure this doesn't affect my original deal and therefore the delay, won't be at a cost to me. Has anyone else been told about the November price increase?

[335d]

Selly85 said:

I ordered an F30 330D with Msport plus package at the beginning of August. I was originally estimated delivery for early-mid October. I have now been also told that there is a delay and to expect delivery mid November time.

My dealer has also confirmed that there will be a price increase from 1st November(they didn't say how much). As a gesture of "good will", they will make sure this doesn't affect my original deal and therefore the delay, won't be at a cost to me. Has anyone else been told about the November price increase?

They have delayed your order, and very generously decided not to charge you for the delay! It is irritating when businesses mess you around and make out they are doing you a favour.

[Welshbeef]

335d said:

They have delayed your order, and very generously decided not to charge you for the delay! It is irritating when businesses mess you around and make out they are doing you a favour.

Tell them you need a loan car for the gap as the current car has been sold based upon delivery dates.

[Selly85]

I know, the cheek of it! It was more the lack of communication that bothered me. I didn't hear from BMW for weeks, I then got a phone call to say that my sales guy had left and I had someone else taking over my order and that the car was due Mid-Nov.

I am part exchanging so they have also, very kindly, agreed to honour the part ex price too. I would not have been happy if the delay had been at a cost to me!

I am still wondering how other people experiencing delays are being affected by this price increase in November. I expect that most dealers will absorb this cost, rather than give the bad news that your car is delayed and that you also have to pay more money for it!

[Mustard]

The delays are not so much 'engine effected, but M performance brake supply effected, that's what's causing the slippage

Had one customers car that was scheduled to go into production (1200 status, one step away from being confirmed for production) on an F34 330d that went from being with us end of Sept, to now being due start of Dec

Not heard of any price rise, and the price would have been protected in any case due to when it was ordered

Issue is with the brake supplier.......Brembo I believe

Edited by Mustard on Saturday 6th September 10:07

[JNW1]

Mustard said:

The delays are not so much 'engine effected, but M performance brake supply effected, that's what's causing the slippage

Had one customers car that was scheduled to go into production (1200 status, one step away from being confirmed for production) on an F34 330d that went from being with us end of Sept, to now being due start of Dec

Not heard of any price rise, and the price would have been protected in any case due to when it was ordered

Issue is with the brake supplier.......Brembo I believe

Edited by Mustard on Saturday 6th September 10:07

If production of cars ordered with the upgraded brakes is being delayed does that mean production of cars ordered with the standard brakes is being brought forward? Rather than have production lines not running at capacity it would presumably be better to build orders that can be built (if you see what I mean!).

[anonymous-user]

I've got a car on order which seems to be slipping.

When I ordered I was assured that it would definitely arrive prior to the end of my current Mercedes lease, if this doesn't happen i'm going to have to hire a car or get them to agree a loan car, what do you think my chances of that are?

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 6th September 13:22

[Mustard]

JNW1 said:

Mustard said:

The delays are not so much 'engine effected, but M performance brake supply effected, that's what's causing the slippage

Had one customers car that was scheduled to go into production (1200 status, one step away from being confirmed for production) on an F34 330d that went from being with us end of Sept, to now being due start of Dec

Not heard of any price rise, and the price would have been protected in any case due to when it was ordered

Issue is with the brake supplier.......Brembo I believe

Edited by Mustard on Saturday 6th September 10:07

If production of cars ordered with the upgraded brakes is being delayed does that mean production of cars ordered with the standard brakes is being brought forward? Rather than have production lines not running at capacity it would presumably be better to build orders that can be built (if you see what I mean!).

Yes, you *may* find that is the case and works to your advantage

As can individual options in cases like this, because the orders lock down further in advance

Edited by Mustard on Saturday 6th September 13:34

[Selly85]

Mustard said:

The delays are not so much 'engine effected, but M performance brake supply effected, that's what's causing the slippage

Had one customers car that was scheduled to go into production (1200 status, one step away from being confirmed for production) on an F34 330d that went from being with us end of Sept, to now being due start of Dec

Not heard of any price rise, and the price would have been protected in any case due to when it was ordered

Issue is with the brake supplier.......Brembo I believe

Edited by Mustard on Saturday 6th September 10:07

You would have thought the price is protected, but my dealer said that the November price increase would have meant I would have to pay that increase had it not have been for their gesture of good will

[Mustard]

Selly85 said:

Mustard said:

The delays are not so much 'engine effected, but M performance brake supply effected, that's what's causing the slippage

Had one customers car that was scheduled to go into production (1200 status, one step away from being confirmed for production) on an F34 330d that went from being with us end of Sept, to now being due start of Dec

Not heard of any price rise, and the price would have been protected in any case due to when it was ordered

Issue is with the brake supplier.......Brembo I believe

Edited by Mustard on Saturday 6th September 10:07

You would have thought the price is protected, but my dealer said that the November price increase would have meant I would have to pay that increase had it not have been for their gesture of good will

Two words.... B S


If your dealer isn't being that helpful speak with customer services (ideally get the 7'digit order number from your dealer) they are aware of the issue and should be more inclined to do something

Edited by Mustard on Saturday 6th September 13:32

[JNW1]

Mustard said:

Yes, you *may* find that is the case and works to your advantage

As can individual options in cases like this, because the orders lock down further in advance

Edited by Mustard on Saturday 6th September 13:34

Sounds like I should have stuck with the piano black inlays after all! Joking aside, I was told individual options actually tend to increase delivery times because it means the car needs to be taken off the normal production line and to go to a different part of the factory?

[Mustard]

JNW1 said:

Mustard said:

Yes, you *may* find that is the case and works to your advantage

As can individual options in cases like this, because the orders lock down further in advance

Edited by Mustard on Saturday 6th September 13:34

Sounds like I should have stuck with the piano black inlays after all! Joking aside, I was told individual options actually tend to increase delivery times because it means the car needs to be taken off the normal production line and to go to a different part of the factory?

They do as a rule, they aren't taken anywhere else to my knowledge, but orders lock down (become non spec amendable far earlier in the ordering scheduling process) .... Quite why some easily fitted inlays do this is beyond me!....(Paint , special leather I can understand)