F10 2010 RTTI is it possible to upgrade?
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Jon1967x said:
If it is I'm sure its part of the connected drive thing and therefore £120 a year subscription - it's not worth that in my book
The thing is the connected drive is subscribed to - have been browsing new sports (trying to get emails) usig local WiKi but RTTI is not there. Welshbeef said:
The thing is the connected drive is subscribed to - have been browsing new sports (trying to get emails) usig local WiKi but RTTI is not there.
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to do. The only time I see rtti is when I've a route in the car and it's guiding me. Jon1967x said:
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to do. The only time I see rtti is when I've a route in the car and it's guiding me.
In the top right corner of the screen it shows TMC, also in the map it will show arrows indicating if traffic is heavy - from the pics I can see online RTTI colours congestion in black amber or red depending and then offers the driver an alternate route I do not have that as an option (unless I cannot find it). when the map is displayed you can press options and select show traffic information in a different format and that turns the map a kind of black and white and I dread of the arrows it uses colour - sounds like that's what you've seen.
I've always thought tmc and rtti were the same concept just the rtti info is provided by bmw as part of connected drive a more accurate.
With either you should be able to turn on automatic diversions - from the map pick the options on the left that gas guidance options (where you see fastest, shortest, avoid toll roads etc) and I'm pretty sure it's an option in there.
Mine just does it, but I've not seen anything new with this car and rtti v my previous x5 that didn't other than the different map view which frankly is pretty horrible.
I've always thought tmc and rtti were the same concept just the rtti info is provided by bmw as part of connected drive a more accurate.
With either you should be able to turn on automatic diversions - from the map pick the options on the left that gas guidance options (where you see fastest, shortest, avoid toll roads etc) and I'm pretty sure it's an option in there.
Mine just does it, but I've not seen anything new with this car and rtti v my previous x5 that didn't other than the different map view which frankly is pretty horrible.
Tmc and rtti are completely different.
Tmc is traffic data over radio and it's very slow to update. Accuracy therefore can be hours old.
Rtti is sent over the cars 3G connection and is part of the connected drive service. It's information is updated very quickly from data provided by the likes of traffic master and google.
As for whether it requires different hardware I'm not sure.
Tmc is traffic data over radio and it's very slow to update. Accuracy therefore can be hours old.
Rtti is sent over the cars 3G connection and is part of the connected drive service. It's information is updated very quickly from data provided by the likes of traffic master and google.
As for whether it requires different hardware I'm not sure.
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ManiacGT said:
Tmc and rtti are completely different.
Tmc is traffic data over radio and it's very slow to update. Accuracy therefore can be hours old.
Rtti is sent over the cars 3G connection and is part of the connected drive service. It's information is updated very quickly from data provided by the likes of traffic master and google.
As for whether it requires different hardware I'm not sure.
It's misleading to say they are completely different - they both do the same thing, one is just better than the other in terms of data quality. And bmw don't fit 3G to their cars unless they introduced it as part of NBT Tmc is traffic data over radio and it's very slow to update. Accuracy therefore can be hours old.
Rtti is sent over the cars 3G connection and is part of the connected drive service. It's information is updated very quickly from data provided by the likes of traffic master and google.
As for whether it requires different hardware I'm not sure.
ManiacGT said:
Tmc and rtti are completely different.
Tmc is traffic data over radio and it's very slow to update. Accuracy therefore can be hours old.
Rtti is sent over the cars 3G connection and is part of the connected drive service. It's information is updated very quickly from data provided by the likes of traffic master and google.
As for whether it requires different hardware I'm not sure.
Thing is hardware its a PC so it certainly should be able to update - I've a feeling BMW will charge an arm and a leg for it. Tmc is traffic data over radio and it's very slow to update. Accuracy therefore can be hours old.
Rtti is sent over the cars 3G connection and is part of the connected drive service. It's information is updated very quickly from data provided by the likes of traffic master and google.
As for whether it requires different hardware I'm not sure.
Jon1967x said:
It's misleading to say they are completely different - they both do the same thing, one is just better than the other in terms of data quality. And bmw don't fit 3G to their cars unless they introduced it as part of NBT
Yep, 3G/4G was one of the improvements that came in with NBT. Not sure if they're using 3G/4G in the UK yet though.RTTI is of course the same as TMC in terms of the ultimate goal, but finally provides enough reliable data to make it worthwhile (at least where I live/drive). Unless travelling on a major road, I often found TMC to be missing road info, showing out of date road info, etc (quite a few times i've been directed of the motorway into worse traffic, because TMC didn't have data on surrounding roads).
It's so good I have my display set to split screen permanently, with a black/white RTTI map sitting in one screen permanently. The system will paint coloured lines on every road it has info for showing traffic conditions in each direction (green on the left, red on the right means theres congestion on the right lane but the other direction is clear). A quick glance and I can spot a possible jam before I get stuck in it and choose another route. Even near my home, where I know traffic conditions very well it can be useful to double check. Road works miles away can easily cause congestion where you wouldn't normally expect it and vice versa. Give it a shot, its the best use I've found for the split screen feature by far
Welshbeef said:
Could someone post up a pic of a working RTTI so i can see if there is any difference - much appreciated.
When you set a destination, there is a little box in the bottom right corner which tells you the arrival time. Mine also gives you a time that is added on by traffic. Underneath it will also say RTTI or TMC - mine is RTTI which goes down periodically and then it switches to TMC. I appreciate that doesn't answer your question but it should be obvious which is which on your car.Clarity shouldn't be required but some pick spots off anything. RTTI is the same as TMC in that they're both intended to do a similar thing, but they're as different as a train and a bus.
As for a computer being upgraded, you can't use that analogy here. They don't fit a PC World computer into it, the design is bespoke. For example, my car is 2009, it has the pre combox iDrive. If I want bluetooth audio, I have to upgrade the hardware, not just a bit of software or coding. Its my guess (and yes a guess) that new features through the years will take the same approach.
As for a computer being upgraded, you can't use that analogy here. They don't fit a PC World computer into it, the design is bespoke. For example, my car is 2009, it has the pre combox iDrive. If I want bluetooth audio, I have to upgrade the hardware, not just a bit of software or coding. Its my guess (and yes a guess) that new features through the years will take the same approach.
Welshbeef said:
Could someone post up a pic of a working RTTI so i can see if there is any difference - much appreciated.
http://www.bmw.com.my/_common/shared/newvehicles/1series/5door/2011/showroom/connectivity/real_time_traffic_information_highlight/rtti_highlight_01_map.gifThis is how the BMW RTTI MAP looks (coloured lines represent RTTI derived traffic conditions on the road, in each direction).
ManiacGT said:
Clarity shouldn't be required but some pick spots off anything. RTTI is the same as TMC in that they're both intended to do a similar thing, but they're as different as a train and a bus.
As for a computer being upgraded, you can't use that analogy here. They don't fit a PC World computer into it, the design is bespoke. For example, my car is 2009, it has the pre combox iDrive. If I want bluetooth audio, I have to upgrade the hardware, not just a bit of software or coding. Its my guess (and yes a guess) that new features through the years will take the same approach.
Yep I'm assuming that it is possible BUT would be uneconomical to do so- was hoping to find that wasn't the caseAs for a computer being upgraded, you can't use that analogy here. They don't fit a PC World computer into it, the design is bespoke. For example, my car is 2009, it has the pre combox iDrive. If I want bluetooth audio, I have to upgrade the hardware, not just a bit of software or coding. Its my guess (and yes a guess) that new features through the years will take the same approach.
Welshbeef said:
Yep I'm assuming that it is possible BUT would be uneconomical to do so- was hoping to find that wasn't the case
I think you'd find the benefit marginal at best if you could. I've found neither TMC or RTTI to be exceptionally good and I hate the grey traffic display when the arrows on a colour map tell you the same thing.Fox- said:
RTTI is only fitted to cars produced in September 2011 or later - ie, MY12 cars. It requires a hardware change, I think the Combox is different.
Do you know if the combox is offered as a dealer retrofit option? My local dealer seemed unclear but bimmer-tech.net suggests it's a simple job.Crombers said:
Do you know if the combox is offered as a dealer retrofit option? My local dealer seemed unclear but bimmer-tech.net suggests it's a simple job.
It's not an official retrofit, no, but it can be done fairly easily aftermarket though you need to uninstall it if the dealer needs to do any software upgrades etc.I still doubt you'd get RTTI though because it wont be active on your ConnectedDrive account if your car didn't come with it?
CoffeeTreat said:
I think you'd find the benefit marginal at best if you could. I've found neither TMC or RTTI to be exceptionally good and I hate the grey traffic display when the arrows on a colour map tell you the same thing.
I think it depends where you are as the system is only as good as its ability to capture traffic data. For me RTTI is a massive step up from TMC, hence why it remains in my split screen. I also find the grey map with coloured lines depicting traffic conditions to be far better then arrows. All it takes is a quick glance to spot a patch of red in your vicinity, rather then having to spot and interpret arrows/symbols/etc. Its common practice to use colours to quickly provide users information as we're very good at picking out differences in contrast/colour at a glance rather then trying to spot small arrows/shapes on a complicated back drop like a map.Gassing Station | BMW General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff