Z4 28i - how good?
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I'm sure the 28i is a good car, but for only a few grand more you can get a 35i and if you go auto this means you get the DSG 7 speed box not torque converter and a 6 cylinder engine.. and higher fuel bills.
Its also still an "E" series so I'm pretty sure if not got the very latest technology in it - it will still be good but not the latest in the F series cars and I think its possibly the last of the E cars you can buy (I could easily be wrong).
Don't want to put you off, the wife has had a 35i for 3 years and I still enjoy going out in it and we've no intention to sell. They can be sensitive to wheels cracking (tends to be a particular design) and the adaptive suspension if you order it (comes as std on the 35iS model) is also a weakness. We've a straight 35i M Sport, with DSG and no problems. However there are definitely people on here though who have had issues.
For 30k its a good car. If your figure was for a manual and you can get one for near 25k.. its a bargain.
Its also still an "E" series so I'm pretty sure if not got the very latest technology in it - it will still be good but not the latest in the F series cars and I think its possibly the last of the E cars you can buy (I could easily be wrong).
Don't want to put you off, the wife has had a 35i for 3 years and I still enjoy going out in it and we've no intention to sell. They can be sensitive to wheels cracking (tends to be a particular design) and the adaptive suspension if you order it (comes as std on the 35iS model) is also a weakness. We've a straight 35i M Sport, with DSG and no problems. However there are definitely people on here though who have had issues.
For 30k its a good car. If your figure was for a manual and you can get one for near 25k.. its a bargain.
producerjamie said:
The discount on the Z4 is epic at the moment, and while I think there's still a compromise or two - nearly £13k off shouldn't be ignored. Do you have this car or have your driven it? What do you reckon? Any feedback welcome - specifically on this engine and it's performance. Cheers
Wifies has the SDrive20i M Sport. Got it back in March 2012.Similar engine in that its the 2.0i twin scroll single turbo, only with less power.
Great car. We both love it. They've tried to dial in a bit of personality to the engine and they've made it sound a little "rorty" when driven hard which is nice without being intrusive. As with most of the latest petrol turbos you would struggle to know it has a turbo. She has had no issues at all with it. Its on a 4 year PCP deal and its pretty much top of her list again as its replacement.
We're going to ring the dealer tomorrow though and see how close they can come to those broadspeed prices. My wife has arthritis so there would be appeal in going for the auto and maybe in SDrive28i spec this time. Prices of the 35i M Sport and 35iS look very tempting but it would depend on how those prices translate into a PCP deal.
producerjamie said:
Still hoping for some more off but at the moment I'm looking at £1k down - £399 over 4 years with £2.5k of extra kit and the 5 year servicing pkg. I'm looking for a bit more but it feels pretty good to me... approx - 13k in total.
£399*12 = £4788 * 4 = £19172 + £1000 = £20152?daemon said:
producerjamie said:
Still hoping for some more off but at the moment I'm looking at £1k down - £399 over 4 years with £2.5k of extra kit and the 5 year servicing pkg. I'm looking for a bit more but it feels pretty good to me... approx - 13k in total.
£399*12 = £4788 * 4 = £19172 + £1000 = £20152?producerjamie said:
Still hoping for some more off but at the moment I'm looking at £1k down - £399 over 4 years with £2.5k of extra kit and the 5 year servicing pkg. I'm looking for a bit more but it feels pretty good to me... approx - 13k in total.
By my reckoning your local dealer is matching the Broadspeed figure 0f £10,000 off ish, then throwing in a £500 service plan AND £2,500 of extras FREE.Thats very impressive.
We're looking for either a SDrive20i or SDrive28i at the moment and i was going to beat our local stealer with the broadspeed prices, but you have managed to get a further £3,000 off those already impressive figures.
Any chance of more detail on the figures involved? Even just the residual price and i can work back but ideally, list price, invoice / discounted price, manufacturer contribution and residual.
Edited by daemon on Wednesday 29th October 15:10
Our dealer has come back as follows :-
SDrive28i M Sport auto = £37,390
Auto box = £1895
Metallic Paint = £550
19 inch alloys £575
Servicing Pack £425
We would be looking at further options, but that was just to get a ballpark figure.
Total RRP = £42,285 + the servicing pack.
BMW Discount Contribution = £6,500
Dealer Discount (7%) = £3,000
Price for car = £32,785
By comparison to the dealer discount of 7%, Broadspeed are offering 10.5% once you factor in the £6,500 from BMW themselves, so with Broadspeed i'd get a further £1,000 off BUT we're in Northern Ireland so theres two ferry journeys out of that, and i reckon we could squeeze our dealer a bit more if we were keen.
With a further deposit of £1200 by my wife and 10K miles per year, the payments are coming back at a rather painful £467 a month, with a £12,897.90 residual.
I dont think thats going to fly to be honest, whilst she would gain an auto box and the more powerful engine, shes currently paying £330 a month, so a jump of £137 a month isnt worth it for whats a very similar car.
SDrive28i M Sport auto = £37,390
Auto box = £1895
Metallic Paint = £550
19 inch alloys £575
Servicing Pack £425
We would be looking at further options, but that was just to get a ballpark figure.
Total RRP = £42,285 + the servicing pack.
BMW Discount Contribution = £6,500
Dealer Discount (7%) = £3,000
Price for car = £32,785
By comparison to the dealer discount of 7%, Broadspeed are offering 10.5% once you factor in the £6,500 from BMW themselves, so with Broadspeed i'd get a further £1,000 off BUT we're in Northern Ireland so theres two ferry journeys out of that, and i reckon we could squeeze our dealer a bit more if we were keen.
With a further deposit of £1200 by my wife and 10K miles per year, the payments are coming back at a rather painful £467 a month, with a £12,897.90 residual.
I dont think thats going to fly to be honest, whilst she would gain an auto box and the more powerful engine, shes currently paying £330 a month, so a jump of £137 a month isnt worth it for whats a very similar car.
Edited by daemon on Wednesday 29th October 13:53
I have a 28i Z4. I bought mine about 18 months ago (it was pre-registered) and got it with 7 miles on it for £24k.
I love the engine in it. I think it's about the right amount of power for the z4 and the fuel bills/tax/running costs are perfectly reasonable. I'm getting 35mpg (ish).
The 35is would be tempting but I can't justify the additional spend to get one. The 20i is terribly underpowered IMO and I would steer clear. There was no comparison between one of those and the 28i when I was test driving them (and there are now loads of 20i's about, whereas the 28i is still quite rare).
I love the engine in it. I think it's about the right amount of power for the z4 and the fuel bills/tax/running costs are perfectly reasonable. I'm getting 35mpg (ish).
The 35is would be tempting but I can't justify the additional spend to get one. The 20i is terribly underpowered IMO and I would steer clear. There was no comparison between one of those and the 28i when I was test driving them (and there are now loads of 20i's about, whereas the 28i is still quite rare).
daemon said:
Our dealer has come back as follows :-
SDrive28i M Sport auto = £37,390
Auto box = £1895
Metallic Paint = £550
19 inch alloys £575
Servicing Pack £425
We would be looking at further options, but that was just to get a ballpark figure.
If you need to trim it a little, you could do without the 19" wheels. They do look good - I have the type 296 - but are prone to cracking. I've had a few replaced under warranty but after a particularly nasty pothole on the M25 last friday have just paid £455 for another replacement.SDrive28i M Sport auto = £37,390
Auto box = £1895
Metallic Paint = £550
19 inch alloys £575
Servicing Pack £425
We would be looking at further options, but that was just to get a ballpark figure.
James P said:
daemon said:
Our dealer has come back as follows :-
SDrive28i M Sport auto = £37,390
Auto box = £1895
Metallic Paint = £550
19 inch alloys £575
Servicing Pack £425
We would be looking at further options, but that was just to get a ballpark figure.
If you need to trim it a little, you could do without the 19" wheels. They do look good - I have the type 296 - but are prone to cracking. I've had a few replaced under warranty but after a particularly nasty pothole on the M25 last friday have just paid £455 for another replacement.SDrive28i M Sport auto = £37,390
Auto box = £1895
Metallic Paint = £550
19 inch alloys £575
Servicing Pack £425
We would be looking at further options, but that was just to get a ballpark figure.
I was thinking about those figures on the way home from work.
The car is ridiculously overpriced in the first place, given how little BMW themselves are prepared to value it at in four years time. Granted they'll say theres some scope for a bit of residual cash but £12,897.90 at four years old for a car with allegedly a £40,000+ list price? Really?
Is it not about time BMW and Merc, etc came clean and said "you know something, these cars of ours arent worth the list price and we're having to discount them by £10,000 to find homes for them", and just change the list price accordingly?
Now i know they cant as they're on this big merry go round and they cant stop it because it would leave thousand of overpriced used cars and very irate owners, but the reality is you're not really getting a £40K car here with preferential finance incentives or whatever BMW call them, you're getting a £30K car thats £10K overpriced in the first place.
The car is ridiculously overpriced in the first place, given how little BMW themselves are prepared to value it at in four years time. Granted they'll say theres some scope for a bit of residual cash but £12,897.90 at four years old for a car with allegedly a £40,000+ list price? Really?
Is it not about time BMW and Merc, etc came clean and said "you know something, these cars of ours arent worth the list price and we're having to discount them by £10,000 to find homes for them", and just change the list price accordingly?
Now i know they cant as they're on this big merry go round and they cant stop it because it would leave thousand of overpriced used cars and very irate owners, but the reality is you're not really getting a £40K car here with preferential finance incentives or whatever BMW call them, you're getting a £30K car thats £10K overpriced in the first place.
Thanks for all your thoughts so far. Happy to share figures with anyone who is interested. I'm now a little further down on the PCM - £384 with a £1k deposit. Not sure about the GFV. Meanwhile I enquired with a couple of Porsche dealers about a cayman (something I've always fancied) and they're chucking the kitchen sink at it. One is offering a £4k deposit contribution and has given a £62 PCM discount on a 36 month pcp. This is Porsche - and there still feels to be loads of room. Maybe nobody has sold any cars since Summer.?!
Hmm.
Hmm.
producerjamie said:
Thanks for all your thoughts so far. Happy to share figures with anyone who is interested. I'm now a little further down on the PCM - £384 with a £1k deposit. Not sure about the GFV. Meanwhile I enquired with a couple of Porsche dealers about a cayman (something I've always fancied) and they're chucking the kitchen sink at it. One is offering a £4k deposit contribution and has given a £62 PCM discount on a 36 month pcp. This is Porsche - and there still feels to be loads of room. Maybe nobody has sold any cars since Summer.?!
Hmm.
I'm curious as to see more of those z4 figures. retail price, discount, BMW contribution and residual value.Hmm.
With £2,500 of extras BMW were only valuing the 28i at £12,700 after four years, meaning with £1,200 in we were still seeing payments of £465 a month.
Also have you more info on the Cayman figures. If my wife is going to break £400 a month again its more likely to be on something like that.
Hope you guys sorted out the deals you were after. I just took advantage of the discounts on offer too and very pleased with the overall deal.
As for these cars being £10k overpriced. Well the E89 is now in the last year of it's life and therefore is being heavily discounted to keep interest up. When it's replacement is launched we will be dreaming of £1k discount.. Way of the world. Enjoy whilst it lasts.
As for these cars being £10k overpriced. Well the E89 is now in the last year of it's life and therefore is being heavily discounted to keep interest up. When it's replacement is launched we will be dreaming of £1k discount.. Way of the world. Enjoy whilst it lasts.
AndyJ14 said:
Hope you guys sorted out the deals you were after. I just took advantage of the discounts on offer too and very pleased with the overall deal.
As for these cars being £10k overpriced. Well the E89 is now in the last year of it's life and therefore is being heavily discounted to keep interest up. When it's replacement is launched we will be dreaming of £1k discount.. Way of the world. Enjoy whilst it lasts.
If you're using a PCP deal, then a £10K discount and a £12K residual after 4 years is "broadly" similar to the £0 off the car and £22K residual.As for these cars being £10k overpriced. Well the E89 is now in the last year of it's life and therefore is being heavily discounted to keep interest up. When it's replacement is launched we will be dreaming of £1k discount.. Way of the world. Enjoy whilst it lasts.
BMW dont have much faith in their product if they're valuing whats supposed to be a £40K+ car at £12K after 4 years.
Very disappointed to be honest, though its no hardship to continue running on to the end of the current deal on our 2012 one.
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