Discussion
Shapes said:
I've had my 335xd touring about 8 months now and love it.
As others have said the power delivery is rather unique. The no fuss and lack of much noise makes the car deceptively fast...I guess most people on here will want an exhaust note to match the power of the car. Quite the opposite to my S2000 which now feels surprisingly slow.
For me, this is one of the best all round cars, what with having the different driving modes (and for me the boot size) means it can cope with all possible requirements of life and not break the bank with running it.
I'd say the ultimate all round car is the F11 D5 not far off 400bhp 8 speed diesel sub 5 Seconds to 62mph rwd sub 11 second 0-100mph(nearly 10 seconds). As others have said the power delivery is rather unique. The no fuss and lack of much noise makes the car deceptively fast...I guess most people on here will want an exhaust note to match the power of the car. Quite the opposite to my S2000 which now feels surprisingly slow.
For me, this is one of the best all round cars, what with having the different driving modes (and for me the boot size) means it can cope with all possible requirements of life and not break the bank with running it.
Great looks
Back into BMW yesterday for the ubiquitous battery check after a sudden pancake session.
Meanwhile ask the salesperson about the performance upgrade he mentioned during the initial sale. Apparently he made a mistake and there is no upgrade for the 335, he was thinking of the petrol car?
Didn't ask abuot the 10mm he initailly said, but then I'm starting to think internet forums are a better supply of information than the salespeople
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BTW anyone using any form of diagnostic equipment for this car? Althoguh the car is obviously under its five year waranty I'd still like to know whats going on, in the same way I used DISv42 and progman for the E39 M5
Meanwhile ask the salesperson about the performance upgrade he mentioned during the initial sale. Apparently he made a mistake and there is no upgrade for the 335, he was thinking of the petrol car?
Didn't ask abuot the 10mm he initailly said, but then I'm starting to think internet forums are a better supply of information than the salespeople
.BTW anyone using any form of diagnostic equipment for this car? Althoguh the car is obviously under its five year waranty I'd still like to know whats going on, in the same way I used DISv42 and progman for the E39 M5
julian64 said:
Back into BMW yesterday for the ubiquitous battery check after a sudden pancake session.
Meanwhile ask the salesperson about the performance upgrade he mentioned during the initial sale. Apparently he made a mistake and there is no upgrade for the 335, he was thinking of the petrol car?
Didn't ask abuot the 10mm he initailly said, but then I'm starting to think internet forums are a better supply of information than the salespeople.
BTW anyone using any form of diagnostic equipment for this car? Althoguh the car is obviously under its five year waranty I'd still like to know whats going on, in the same way I used DISv42 and progman for the E39 M5
5 years... Nope 3 years. Meanwhile ask the salesperson about the performance upgrade he mentioned during the initial sale. Apparently he made a mistake and there is no upgrade for the 335, he was thinking of the petrol car?
Didn't ask abuot the 10mm he initailly said, but then I'm starting to think internet forums are a better supply of information than the salespeople
.BTW anyone using any form of diagnostic equipment for this car? Althoguh the car is obviously under its five year waranty I'd still like to know whats going on, in the same way I used DISv42 and progman for the E39 M5
Welshbeef said:
I'd say the ultimate all round car is the F11 D5 not far off 400bhp 8 speed diesel sub 5 Seconds to 62mph rwd sub 11 second 0-100mph(nearly 10 seconds).
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The D3 the other half has got is good but I agree the D5 is the one, but as someone pointed out it's a chunk of money more than the 335d but the D3 is better & it'll be worth more at re sale time.
ZX10R NIN said:
The D3 the other half has got is good but I agree the D5 is the one, but as someone pointed out it's a chunk of money more than the 335d but the D3 is better & it'll be worth more at re sale time.
The D3 does sound like an impressive machine, but despite Alpina's lack of discounting, I am not convinced that it will hold its value well in the face of 25% discounting from BMW. If your other half has a reasonable spec D3, I guess that cost around £54k? An equivalent spec 335d would be around £38k after discounting. At 3 years and 50k miles the 335d would be worth around £20k, I suppose. At that point, how much of a premium would the D3 command over the 335d, perhaps £5k?
If that's right the 335d would have lost £18k versus £29k for the D3.
Clearly this is just a series of guesses, so there is room for plenty of error, but how do you see it?
335d said:
The D3 does sound like an impressive machine, but despite Alpina's lack of discounting, I am not convinced that it will hold its value well in the face of 25% discounting from BMW.
If your other half has a reasonable spec D3, I guess that cost around £54k? An equivalent spec 335d would be around £38k after discounting. At 3 years and 50k miles the 335d would be worth around £20k, I suppose. At that point, how much of a premium would the D3 command over the 335d, perhaps £5k?
If that's right the 335d would have lost £18k versus £29k for the D3.
Clearly this is just a series of guesses, so there is room for plenty of error, but how do you see it?
However the 535d/335d are pretty rare the D3/D5 are like hens teeth so if you know what one is in the first place when one comes along you and others looking for one would snap it up. If your other half has a reasonable spec D3, I guess that cost around £54k? An equivalent spec 335d would be around £38k after discounting. At 3 years and 50k miles the 335d would be worth around £20k, I suppose. At that point, how much of a premium would the D3 command over the 335d, perhaps £5k?
If that's right the 335d would have lost £18k versus £29k for the D3.
Clearly this is just a series of guesses, so there is room for plenty of error, but how do you see it?
Welshbeef said:
However the 535d/335d are pretty rare the D3/D5 are like hens teeth so if you know what one is in the first place when one comes along you and others looking for one would snap it up.
The Alpinas are certainly rare. In my example though - if a 3 year 50k mile 335d is worth £20k, you would need to be able to sell a similar age D3 for £36k to have the same cost of ownership. That looks way off to me, given that a buyer could have the choice between a 3 year old 50k mile D3 and a brand new 335d for similar money. Hence my suggestion/guess that the D3 would have lost £29k, while the 335d loses £18k over the same period of ownership.
335d said:
The D3 does sound like an impressive machine, but despite Alpina's lack of discounting, I am not convinced that it will hold its value well in the face of 25% discounting from BMW.
If your other half has a reasonable spec D3, I guess that cost around £54k? An equivalent spec 335d would be around £38k after discounting. At 3 years and 50k miles the 335d would be worth around £20k, I suppose. At that point, how much of a premium would the D3 command over the 335d, perhaps £5k?
If that's right the 335d would have lost £18k versus £29k for the D3.
Clearly this is just a series of guesses, so there is room for plenty of error, but how do you see it?
I see it like this.If your other half has a reasonable spec D3, I guess that cost around £54k? An equivalent spec 335d would be around £38k after discounting. At 3 years and 50k miles the 335d would be worth around £20k, I suppose. At that point, how much of a premium would the D3 command over the 335d, perhaps £5k?
If that's right the 335d would have lost £18k versus £29k for the D3.
Clearly this is just a series of guesses, so there is room for plenty of error, but how do you see it?
The price difference spec for spec was 11k between 335d & D3 at the time of purchase.
Well be keeping it around Four years I've estimated the price difference between the two will be between 7-9k between the two, but the thing that will be in the D3's favour will be rarity there will be a lot of 335d's compared to D3's maybe 1 for every 1000 335d's that are sold maybe even more.
So anyone looking for one will pay the premium over the 335d, that's my view but looking at the Alpinas for sale they seem to be around 3-6k more than the equivalent BMW & considering the E9x D3 was only £1000 more than the M Sport at the time.
At the end of the day it'll be down to the person buying to decide weather it's worth the extra, to us it was, maybe others will look at us as mad, I'm not sure but it suits her needs.
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ZX10R NIN said:
The price difference spec for spec was 11k between 335d & D3 at the time of purchase.
List price or after discounts? There is over £10,000 off a new 335d saloon at the moment.
£32,000 for a new one from drivethedeal with prof media.......
Residual values on that car after 4 years and 50k miles from BMW are sitting at £14k, Lombard were showing £13800.
335d said:
To clarify - is that list price to list price? If so, you can take a further £11-12k from the 335d price to get the sale price. What sort of discount to list was the D3?
That was on a very highly spec 335d that they had there at the time it had 580 miles on the clock the D3 had 2400 miles@335d Thanks for the answer on ACS springs with Adaptive Dampers - I will give it another thousand miles or so and make a decision on wether to change.
Had my first decent cross-country drive in the car yesterday evening, it is really quite startlingly fast without ever seeming to be, the X drive in sport means you never really have to worry about losing traction, I will give it a bit longer before I start playing with the SPORT+ stability mode!!
It is going to be a really enjoyable learning curve going going from RWD M5 to FWD JCW to AWD 335XD. Despite accepted petrol head convention I really enjoyed the Mini with 280 BHP and front wheel drive, the first properly powerful front wheeler i have had and a challenge to learn how to drive it properly (left foot braking etc. etc. ). 4 Wheel drive (and Auto of course) will be a lot more point and squirt than the other two I think.
Had my first decent cross-country drive in the car yesterday evening, it is really quite startlingly fast without ever seeming to be, the X drive in sport means you never really have to worry about losing traction, I will give it a bit longer before I start playing with the SPORT+ stability mode!!
It is going to be a really enjoyable learning curve going going from RWD M5 to FWD JCW to AWD 335XD. Despite accepted petrol head convention I really enjoyed the Mini with 280 BHP and front wheel drive, the first properly powerful front wheeler i have had and a challenge to learn how to drive it properly (left foot braking etc. etc. ). 4 Wheel drive (and Auto of course) will be a lot more point and squirt than the other two I think.
335d said:
The D3 does sound like an impressive machine, but despite Alpina's lack of discounting, I am not convinced that it will hold its value well in the face of 25% discounting from BMW.
If your other half has a reasonable spec D3, I guess that cost around £54k? An equivalent spec 335d would be around £38k after discounting. At 3 years and 50k miles the 335d would be worth around £20k, I suppose. At that point, how much of a premium would the D3 command over the 335d, perhaps £5k?
If that's right the 335d would have lost £18k versus £29k for the D3.
Clearly this is just a series of guesses, so there is room for plenty of error, but how do you see it?
In fairness ZX10 only said the D3 would be worth more and I'm sure he's correct in that; however, that's not the same as saying it will recover all of the additional outlay and I think you're right, the D3 will probably lose more in terms of £'s than the 335d. That's in no way a comment on the car - personally I'd love an Alpina - but I always remember talking to a salesman at my local dealer about them a few years back in the context of E46 coupes. His view was that although in terms of purchase price the B3 was fairly close to an M3 come trade-in time after two or three years its value would be closer to that of a 330Ci; not as low as the 330 obviously but nevertheless the clear inference was that Alpinas tend to suffer quite hefty depreciation compared to the more mainstream BMW models. In fairness this is all going back a few years and things may have changed; however, my feeling is that you buy something like an Alpina because you want one and not because it's somehow a good investment!If your other half has a reasonable spec D3, I guess that cost around £54k? An equivalent spec 335d would be around £38k after discounting. At 3 years and 50k miles the 335d would be worth around £20k, I suppose. At that point, how much of a premium would the D3 command over the 335d, perhaps £5k?
If that's right the 335d would have lost £18k versus £29k for the D3.
Clearly this is just a series of guesses, so there is room for plenty of error, but how do you see it?
JNW1 said:
In fairness ZX10 only said the D3 would be worth more and I'm sure he's correct in that; however, that's not the same as saying it will recover all of the additional outlay and I think you're right, the D3 will probably lose more in terms of £'s than the 335d. That's in no way a comment on the car - personally I'd love an Alpina - but I always remember talking to a salesman at my local dealer about them a few years back in the context of E46 coupes. His view was that although in terms of purchase price the B3 was fairly close to an M3 come trade-in time after two or three years its value would be closer to that of a 330Ci; not as low as the 330 obviously but nevertheless the clear inference was that Alpinas tend to suffer quite hefty depreciation compared to the more mainstream BMW models. In fairness this is all going back a few years and things may have changed; however, my feeling is that you buy something like an Alpina because you want one and not because it's somehow a good investment!
I'm not expecting to recover all of the loss but for the extra outlay but I feel we have a better car than the 335d, I won't be trading it in I'll be selling it myself as I do with all of my cars. As I stated I expect to sell the car for between 7-9k more than the 335d which will be around the same money as an M3, the price difference in buying was 11k so I'll have lost between 2-4k more in four years time but I'm happy with that.
I never said the car was an investment it's a car we have bought that we expect to lose money but not a shedload.
Welshbeef said:
Can you map the D3/5?
Serious question - is the engine identical or is it strengthened if so there is still its of tolerance to eat into + Alpina have shorter Warranty than BMW?
The internals are supposed to be strengthened so yes mapping will be an option I will find out shortly but that was also one of the reasons for buying 400+bhp should be there for the taking but to be honest at the moment you really don't feel like you need to map it.Serious question - is the engine identical or is it strengthened if so there is still its of tolerance to eat into + Alpina have shorter Warranty than BMW?
Also it runs way better on super diesel than standard (better fuel economy to) but I will keep you posted
ZX10R NIN said:
The internals are supposed to be strengthened so yes mapping will be an option I will find out shortly but that was also one of the reasons for buying 400+bhp should be there for the taking but to be honest at the moment you really don't feel like you need to map it.
Also it runs way better on super diesel than standard (better fuel economy to) but I will keep you posted
Run better as is smoother and maybe more power? Or more economy?Also it runs way better on super diesel than standard (better fuel economy to) but I will keep you posted
Welshbeef said:
julian64 said:
Back into BMW yesterday for the ubiquitous battery check after a sudden pancake session.
Meanwhile ask the salesperson about the performance upgrade he mentioned during the initial sale. Apparently he made a mistake and there is no upgrade for the 335, he was thinking of the petrol car?
Didn't ask abuot the 10mm he initailly said, but then I'm starting to think internet forums are a better supply of information than the salespeople.
BTW anyone using any form of diagnostic equipment for this car? Althoguh the car is obviously under its five year waranty I'd still like to know whats going on, in the same way I used DISv42 and progman for the E39 M5
5 years... Nope 3 years. Meanwhile ask the salesperson about the performance upgrade he mentioned during the initial sale. Apparently he made a mistake and there is no upgrade for the 335, he was thinking of the petrol car?
Didn't ask abuot the 10mm he initailly said, but then I'm starting to think internet forums are a better supply of information than the salespeople
.BTW anyone using any form of diagnostic equipment for this car? Althoguh the car is obviously under its five year waranty I'd still like to know whats going on, in the same way I used DISv42 and progman for the E39 M5
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