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ZX10R NIN said:
That was on a very highly spec 335d that they had there at the time it had 580 miles on the clock the D3 had 2400 miles
Sounds like you bought after the Alpina had already depreciated enough to narrow the gap from new, which is probably very sensible. I expect you are right that the additional cost over a 335d during your ownership won't be that great, and you have a very exclusive car.As far as mapping goes, there are two difficulties that I can see. Firstly the engine has different turbos to the standard car so any mapping would have to be very specific to your car. I believe that after the first one, most mapping companies just apply their standard map which they have developed for the same engine and they are unlikely to have one for a D3. Secondly and more importantly the D3 has a peak torque of 700 Nm, which is right at the limit of the standard ZF 8HP70 gearbox on that car. Any more and there must be a real risk of damaging the box.
ZX10R NIN said:
I never said the car was an investment it's a car we have bought that we expect to lose money but not a shedload.
Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you'd said you'd bought the car as an investment! The only point I was making was that you buy cars like that because you want them and not because they're the most attractive option financially; you're obviously aware that the D3 is going to cost you more than a 335d but you can afford it and are happy to accept the trade-off. If I was in the same position I'd have done the same so enjoy the Alpina! 
335d said:
julian64 said:
Me paperwork says 2019 
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2019 will be the 5 year Service Pack I would have thought. I would be very surprised if the warranty was longer than 3 years..chillax- really glad you are enjoying your 335d. I'm 7 months and 12k miles in and still think it is a fantastic machine. As you say the speed without drama is quite addictive. I also really enjoy the way you can power through the corners.
You are right to give it some time before deciding on the springs. If the car suits you as it is, there is no point in changing. It does make it a whole lot more capable though and I still find myself taking the long way home!
You are right to give it some time before deciding on the springs. If the car suits you as it is, there is no point in changing. It does make it a whole lot more capable though and I still find myself taking the long way home!
JNW1 said:
Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you'd said you'd bought the car as an investment! The only point I was making was that you buy cars like that because you want them and not because they're the most attractive option financially; you're obviously aware that the D3 is going to cost you more than a 335d but you can afford it and are happy to accept the trade-off. If I was in the same position I'd have done the same so enjoy the Alpina!
Thanks the other half is very pleased with it & when I've managed to get the odd go in it, it does impress my only gripe is I think it would have looked even better with just two pipes rather than four but that's my only complaint so far! If losing an extra £500-£1000 a year over a 335d is the total cost of a bit of exclusivity nigh on M3 performance better fuel & running costs(we'll find out over the coming years how true that is) I think we can cope.335d said:
Sounds like you bought after the Alpina had already depreciated enough to narrow the gap from new, which is probably very sensible. I expect you are right that the additional cost over a 335d during your ownership won't be that great, and you have a very exclusive car.
As far as mapping goes, there are two difficulties that I can see. Firstly the engine has different turbos to the standard car so any mapping would have to be very specific to your car. I believe that after the first one, most mapping companies just apply their standard map which they have developed for the same engine and they are unlikely to have one for a D3. Secondly and more importantly the D3 has a peak torque of 700 Nm, which is right at the limit of the standard ZF 8HP70 gearbox on that car. Any more and there must be a real risk of damaging the box.
I read the box was supposed to be uprated to but I'll take a closer look as I said right about now mapping is not on the radar it has so much go you don't feel like it's lacking which is exactly how my mapped daily driver 320CDI now feels.As far as mapping goes, there are two difficulties that I can see. Firstly the engine has different turbos to the standard car so any mapping would have to be very specific to your car. I believe that after the first one, most mapping companies just apply their standard map which they have developed for the same engine and they are unlikely to have one for a D3. Secondly and more importantly the D3 has a peak torque of 700 Nm, which is right at the limit of the standard ZF 8HP70 gearbox on that car. Any more and there must be a real risk of damaging the box.
Just read a post where brokers are now offering 26.5% off of 335d's & dealers are giving 20% that makes the car a good deal.
It does make me wonder if BMW are now doing a DFS with there cars, by which I mean they over inflate the price then offer huge discounts so you walk away feeling like you've got a great deal but in reality they've sold it for pretty much the price they wanted in the first place.
It does make me wonder if BMW are now doing a DFS with there cars, by which I mean they over inflate the price then offer huge discounts so you walk away feeling like you've got a great deal but in reality they've sold it for pretty much the price they wanted in the first place.
ZX10R NIN said:
Just read a post where brokers are now offering 26.5% off of 335d's & dealers are giving 20% that makes the car a good deal.
It does make me wonder if BMW are now doing a DFS with there cars, by which I mean they over inflate the price then offer huge discounts so you walk away feeling like you've got a great deal but in reality they've sold it for pretty much the price they wanted in the first place.
It does make me wonder if BMW are now doing a DFS with there cars, by which I mean they over inflate the price then offer huge discounts so you walk away feeling like you've got a great deal but in reality they've sold it for pretty much the price they wanted in the first place.
very true. Sad thing is the poorest end up paying the most while the savy discover these deals
ZX10R NIN said:
Just read a post where brokers are now offering 26.5% off of 335d's & dealers are giving 20% that makes the car a good deal.
It does make me wonder if BMW are now doing a DFS with there cars, by which I mean they over inflate the price then offer huge discounts so you walk away feeling like you've got a great deal but in reality they've sold it for pretty much the price they wanted in the first place.
Where did you see the 26.5%? Was that my post on another thread or somewhere else?It does make me wonder if BMW are now doing a DFS with there cars, by which I mean they over inflate the price then offer huge discounts so you walk away feeling like you've got a great deal but in reality they've sold it for pretty much the price they wanted in the first place.
ZX10R NIN said:
Just read a post where brokers are now offering 26.5% off of 335d's & dealers are giving 20% that makes the car a good deal.
It does make me wonder if BMW are now doing a DFS with there cars, by which I mean they over inflate the price then offer huge discounts so you walk away feeling like you've got a great deal but in reality they've sold it for pretty much the price they wanted in the first place.
I think the UK discounting is driven by the stagnation that has been going on in the rest of Europe including Germany - all key markets for BMW. Couple that with a rapidly depreciating Euro and they have plenty of scope to discount in Sterling. My guess is that this will continue while Europe stagnates, and that could be several years as the ECB will probably take a cautious approach to quantitative easing.It does make me wonder if BMW are now doing a DFS with there cars, by which I mean they over inflate the price then offer huge discounts so you walk away feeling like you've got a great deal but in reality they've sold it for pretty much the price they wanted in the first place.
When you look at the value being offered now - a basic spec 335d for about £32k, that doesn't seem like a DFS approach (50% off a doubled price) to me, but genuinely good value. I bought a new 540i in 1999. In fairly basic spec it listed at £49k, was available for £45k in the UK, but I paid £39k by ordering (RHD) from a dealer in Germany. In many ways that car was the 1999 equivalent of the 2015 335d, which is a slightly larger car, a hell of a lot faster and much better equipped. If you add inflation into the mix, the 335d is about half of the price of that 540i.
Cars have just become much better value, which is why the salesman who would have been in a Ford Focus can now drive a 3 or 5 series.
Really enjoyed reading this thread. Just put deposit down on 335D and looks like my deal is pretty decent. From dealer just shy of 25% off list, then & options (which aren't discounted), equates to 20% off for factory order.
Interesting to read most of you seem to have come from gas guzzlers with 'proper' engines so no surprise a few feel the car is a little tame in the excitement department.
this will be my second 335D and replaces my boring A4 which looks nice, but lacks any excitement whatsoever.
This will be my co. car and after much deliberation, was the firm choice.
Interesting to read most of you seem to have come from gas guzzlers with 'proper' engines so no surprise a few feel the car is a little tame in the excitement department.
this will be my second 335D and replaces my boring A4 which looks nice, but lacks any excitement whatsoever.
This will be my co. car and after much deliberation, was the firm choice.
Ordered a new one yesterday to replace my F11 530d Msport touring. Refinement not as good, but close enough and smaller footprint and nimbleness better suited to driving I do now (a lot of A and B roads rather than motorway). Having driven different specs back to back I would say adaptive suspension is a must. Effortless speed on half to two thirds throttle but doesnt feel special enough if you cane it - something the Audi bi-turbo seems to have managed better.
But hard to beat for a day to day tool.
But hard to beat for a day to day tool.
Welshbeef said:
But the fords and like do not represent as good value do they.
I think Ford etc represent great value just as well built & spec for spec it'll be significantly cheaper than the BMW will the quality of materials reflect the price Yes, will it drive well Yes, will it have the looks/badge No but it'll be a good car for those that want one & there are a lot that do.BMW's 335d's base price is £41520.00 even with exchange rates 25% off has to be coming from BMW themselves which is why I made the DFS comment, it's not a bad thing I just wonder if BMW are pushing the price up to give these big discounts?
Having had a number of diesels over the years 3.0 TT Jags, Audis, Range Rovers, 640d etc you cannot get excited about them and the only reason you buy them is for MPG or towing grunt.
They were all good cars but not what you could call an exciting drive. Anyone who has owned an NA car with some power will always feel the same way.
I guess it's what you need from a car and what you get used to. All the above were fantastic motorway cruisers.
No doubt the 335d is a great motor but no doubt would just be missing something. I no doubt will be in another oil burner at some point due to the miles I do.
Not sure on the point of my post, I guess there is just something missing from my explanation, just like a diesel.....
They were all good cars but not what you could call an exciting drive. Anyone who has owned an NA car with some power will always feel the same way.
I guess it's what you need from a car and what you get used to. All the above were fantastic motorway cruisers.
No doubt the 335d is a great motor but no doubt would just be missing something. I no doubt will be in another oil burner at some point due to the miles I do.
Not sure on the point of my post, I guess there is just something missing from my explanation, just like a diesel.....
drmark said:
Ordered a new one yesterday to replace my F11 530d Msport touring. Refinement not as good, but close enough and smaller footprint and nimbleness better suited to driving I do now (a lot of A and B roads rather than motorway). Having driven different specs back to back I would say adaptive suspension is a must. Effortless speed on half to two thirds throttle but doesnt feel special enough if you cane it - something the Audi bi-turbo seems to have managed better.
But hard to beat for a day to day tool.
Congrats. I moved from an F10 to an F30 with much the same thinking. The F10/11 had better soundproofing and the ride was a little better, but while it was a perfect motorway cruiser, it felt a little ungainly on winding country roads. The 335d is a lot more fun, and considerably more nimble. You might like to consider ACS springs though, which a fair number of BMW dealers will fit for you. They transform the handling, with virtually no impact on ride comfort.But hard to beat for a day to day tool.
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