335d/435d or 535d
Discussion
Late to this thread so jumping in....
I have had a 335xd saloon for a year now. It’s currently at 12k motorway miles and hasn’t missed a beat in all that time.
I came up a C55/C63/XFR route and the 335xd was always going to be a short term stopgap whilst I figured out what V8 saloon was going to be next.
BUT, the beemer is brilliant. OK, it doesn’t have the aural pleasure of any of the V8s, but point to point, I would wager that it is quicker than most performance saloon cars available currently in the UK. That is why I still own it...
It could be more upmarket inside and mine is white, which I always previously considered a no-no, but it is a great drivers car.
I have had a 335xd saloon for a year now. It’s currently at 12k motorway miles and hasn’t missed a beat in all that time.
I came up a C55/C63/XFR route and the 335xd was always going to be a short term stopgap whilst I figured out what V8 saloon was going to be next.
BUT, the beemer is brilliant. OK, it doesn’t have the aural pleasure of any of the V8s, but point to point, I would wager that it is quicker than most performance saloon cars available currently in the UK. That is why I still own it...
It could be more upmarket inside and mine is white, which I always previously considered a no-no, but it is a great drivers car.
Welshbeef said:
Is that 39mpg door to door (if so roughly what distance and how far from M way?) @ high m way speed?
I found my old 330d E90 the mpg hardly changed on m way between 65-85+mpg.
The F10 535d I can get 46-48mpg if at 60mph on the m way - did 46mpg today on a 20mile m way drive. If if have carried on it would have continued to go up just not sure how much more though.
When we go on long trips say 180-200miles 4 up (2kids laiden with luggage and brimmed with fuel heated seats on climate on (well both always are anyway) and comfort only -- generally I get 42mpg though have to add where we go it gets hilly towards the end which really kills economy.
Similar ish trips only 2 up in the E90 330d 231bhp I'd be high 40's mpg or sneaking into 50-53mpg.
That is it's lifetime mpg over the 7k odd miles I've had. I found my old 330d E90 the mpg hardly changed on m way between 65-85+mpg.
The F10 535d I can get 46-48mpg if at 60mph on the m way - did 46mpg today on a 20mile m way drive. If if have carried on it would have continued to go up just not sure how much more though.
When we go on long trips say 180-200miles 4 up (2kids laiden with luggage and brimmed with fuel heated seats on climate on (well both always are anyway) and comfort only -- generally I get 42mpg though have to add where we go it gets hilly towards the end which really kills economy.
Similar ish trips only 2 up in the E90 330d 231bhp I'd be high 40's mpg or sneaking into 50-53mpg.
My daily commute is about 5 minute a-road hammering, 10 minutes at 90 and then I'm at the office. It's also been to Munich which was mostly motorway and couldn't resist pretty much maxing the thing where possible and also to northern Spain which was mostly all back roads and main roads through France as wanted to try it out rather than on the motorway.
Overall impressed. Much better than the M235i I had a few months ago which only got 28.
akeithj said:
OK crunch time. For those of you who are currently running a 335d/435d would you buy another, or would you go for the 335i/435i (possibly soon to become the 340/440i)?
I've never lived with a 335d, but my brother has one and speaks really highly of it. I've loved my 435d and going into another in March.
Not had a 335i/435i, but have had a 235i and is a cracker of an engine and great fun. However I just prefer the 4 as feels a bit more grown up. Was tempted to go for a 435i but couldn't get a red one with white leather so went for the diesel.
Drive the whole commute back tonight in Sport mode that gearbox truely is superb and the progress you can make is fantastic.
I did notice too that as per another on the same trip there is little difference in MPG be it at 56mph or 95mph (it does make a notable difference on inclines but roughly flat this speed difference make bugger all difference.
I did notice too that as per another on the same trip there is little difference in MPG be it at 56mph or 95mph (it does make a notable difference on inclines but roughly flat this speed difference make bugger all difference.
Welshbeef said:
Drive the whole commute back tonight in Sport mode that gearbox truely is superb and the progress you can make is fantastic.
I did notice too that as per another on the same trip there is little difference in MPG be it at 56mph or 95mph (it does make a notable difference on inclines but roughly flat this speed difference make bugger all difference.
This is the complete opposite to both my own personal experience and also the laws of physics. Mine is noticeably less economical the faster you get. As you'd expect given the significant increase in wind resistance.I did notice too that as per another on the same trip there is little difference in MPG be it at 56mph or 95mph (it does make a notable difference on inclines but roughly flat this speed difference make bugger all difference.
Claiming that almost doubling your cruising speed has no discernible impact on fuel economy cannot be anything but nonsense.
Even 10mph makes a difference - an 80mph cruise yields low 40's, 70mph high 40's.
I drove it to Cologne last year and at 100mph it's into the 30's!
Fox- said:
This is the complete opposite to both my own personal experience and also the laws of physics. Mine is noticeably less economical the faster you get. As you'd expect given the significant increase in wind resistance.
Claiming that almost doubling your cruising speed has no discernible impact on fuel economy cannot be anything but nonsense.
Even 10mph makes a difference - an 80mph cruise yields low 40's, 70mph high 40's.
Bugger all difference as in £/ tank and also number of days commuting per tank is the same give or take. Claiming that almost doubling your cruising speed has no discernible impact on fuel economy cannot be anything but nonsense.
Even 10mph makes a difference - an 80mph cruise yields low 40's, 70mph high 40's.
However I've not done a whole tank at the 95mph range in fact personally I rarely get the chance with heavy traffic but when it does clear make the most of it.
akeithj said:
OK crunch time. For those of you who are currently running a 335d/435d would you buy another, or would you go for the 335i/435i (possibly soon to become the 340/440i)?
335d because of the 4wd, performance, handling, some economy, looks and,because of the ASD, sound. Second time round, if I could afford it, I would go for the merino leather seats and dashboard in beige to lighten up and improve the quality of the interior.However If SWMBO didn't insist on 4wd, I think the 330d may well be sweet spot because it's rwd, possibly better on the economy and better on the tax - probably miss the m sport package to afford the merino leather
. The 535d is not a bad choice either, but for me, it was little too big and lost the turn in edge that the f30 has.When the euro 7 or 8 regs kill off the diesel and I'm forced back to petrol for my load lugger, I'd miss out the x35i and go for some type of iHate hybrid if going for a bmer.
Just imagine if BMW develop a hybrid diesel x35d so you'll have torque filling just like the P1 instant crazy fast power. Electric only through traffic which is ideal then both power sources when free and unleashing the beast.
I'd wager there would be few cars quicker - heck its a 4.6 second car as is so as far as public highway is concerned there isn't a huge amount quicker you can go.
Imagine a time in the future when he 320d/316d will be able to achieve that performance level. It will happen. Today's 320d is faster than the original 2.9ltr 330d 184bhp model and double the economy if not more.
I'd wager there would be few cars quicker - heck its a 4.6 second car as is so as far as public highway is concerned there isn't a huge amount quicker you can go.
Imagine a time in the future when he 320d/316d will be able to achieve that performance level. It will happen. Today's 320d is faster than the original 2.9ltr 330d 184bhp model and double the economy if not more.
Welshbeef said:
Imagine a time in the future when he 320d/316d will be able to achieve that performance level. It will happen. Today's 320d is faster than the original 2.9ltr 330d 184bhp model and double the economy if not more.
I do like the current 6 pot diesel and at times I am in awe of its shove but it still has its flaws though and a diesel is just such a difficult engine to love and I do try my best to love them yet I appreciate I am very critical of them too.
JNW1 said:
But are we talking about a 335d here? That does indeed have a 57 litre tank but got a feeling the range quoted may relate to a 535 which has a 70 litre tank....
Indeed we are, and it doesn't do 62 in 4.7 seconds either, there is some utter tripe been spouted on this thread. Wills2 said:
JNW1 said:
But are we talking about a 335d here? That does indeed have a 57 litre tank but got a feeling the range quoted may relate to a 535 which has a 70 litre tank....
Indeed we are, and it doesn't do 62 in 4.7 seconds either, there is some utter tripe been spouted on this thread. JNW1 said:
Wills2 said:
Indeed we are, and it doesn't do 62 in 4.7 seconds either, there is some utter tripe been spouted on this thread.
True but best not to let the facts get in the way of a good story!!!335d 0-62 4.8 Seconds
535d 0-62 5.3 seconds
Alpina
D3 0-62 4.6 seconds
Clearly we can only assume that these times are accurate- and BMW are historically conservative.
It would be nice to know what the D5 is with an extra what 50-60bhp should be 0.5 seconds maybe.
JNW1 said:
Wills2 said:
Indeed we are, and it doesn't do 62 in 4.7 seconds either, there is some utter tripe been spouted on this thread.
True but best not to let the facts get in the way of a good story!!!So if you can both explain the "TRIPE" you're referring to it'd be appreciated.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Thursday 26th February 08:27
Welshbeef said:
Bugger all difference as in £/ tank and also number of days commuting per tank is the same give or take.
However I've not done a whole tank at the 95mph range in fact personally I rarely get the chance with heavy traffic but when it does clear make the most of it.
So meaningless then?However I've not done a whole tank at the 95mph range in fact personally I rarely get the chance with heavy traffic but when it does clear make the most of it.
Wills2 said:
Indeed we are, and it doesn't do 62 in 4.7 seconds either, there is some utter tripe been spouted on this thread.
Isn't there just? Willy waving of the first order. I'm off to my dealer to find out why my car doesn't have the 'bend the laws of physics' gearbox mode.......
As an aside, when I was filing some new insurance documents last night for the 535, I found the key ring and key my Dad gave me on my 17th birthday almost 30 years ago.
The key was for his 1982 X reg E21 316. Henna red. He insured me from my 17th and taught me to drive in it. I drove that car as a named driver for a decade all through sixth form and university, and on occasions when I visited them once I'd moved to London. He kept it for 17 years.
He's gone now, as is the car, but what a lovely thing to keep with me all day.
Save me a seat at the bar, Dad.
The key was for his 1982 X reg E21 316. Henna red. He insured me from my 17th and taught me to drive in it. I drove that car as a named driver for a decade all through sixth form and university, and on occasions when I visited them once I'd moved to London. He kept it for 17 years.
He's gone now, as is the car, but what a lovely thing to keep with me all day.
Save me a seat at the bar, Dad.
Edited by Soov535 on Thursday 26th February 10:02
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