335d/435d or 535d

335d/435d or 535d

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cslwannabe

1,395 posts

168 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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Agreed the 6er interior is excellent although first impressions are the golf interior is a very nice place to be - decent stereo, very nice dials, illuminated kick plates, oil temp function in the OBC, nice seats, built in iPhone charger/ connector etc. Couple of things I dislike are the piano black materials which collect finger prints easily, style over substance wing mirrors have a large blind spot and it's a complete magnet for wannabe boy racers.

tjlees

1,382 posts

236 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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REALIST123 said:
Out of interest, I set off today, from stone cold in an ambient of 6 degrees, in Eco pro. Didn't go over 1500 rpm or about 45mph and reached 100 degrees oil temp in 7 miles.
Might be something wrong with mine. I tried again Friday am, the outside temp was 0.5c but it still wasn't until towards the end of the journey did the needle finally point to 100. The trip is about 19.5miles. I go down two fairly long steepish hills with gradual rise in the middle and fairly flat at the very end.

I going to try in comfort mode tomorrow - I'm not going to go OCD but if people here are saying around 8 miles to hit 100c oil temp, and I'm around 19-20 miles something is wrong.

ZX10R NIN

27,494 posts

124 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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Wills2 said:
Well the tripe I was referring to involved taking the range of 535d then dividing that by the fuel tank capacity of a 335d to give a 60mpg average consumption then throw the 0-62 from a 435d mix them all up = tripe. wink

Although you've not been here long, I think you'll probably have worked out by now which chuckle brother spouts the tripe.
Can't argue with that equation that does = TRIPE;)

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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tjlees said:
REALIST123 said:
Out of interest, I set off today, from stone cold in an ambient of 6 degrees, in Eco pro. Didn't go over 1500 rpm or about 45mph and reached 100 degrees oil temp in 7 miles.
Might be something wrong with mine. I tried again Friday am, the outside temp was 0.5c but it still wasn't until towards the end of the journey did the needle finally point to 100. The trip is about 19.5miles. I go down two fairly long steepish hills with gradual rise in the middle and fairly flat at the very end.

I going to try in comfort mode tomorrow - I'm not going to go OCD but if people here are saying around 8 miles to hit 100c oil temp, and I'm around 19-20 miles something is wrong.
I think that would be a good idea, it doesn't sound right. Others will know better, but it sounds like a stat problem, not unheard of if I remember correctly?

insurance_jon

4,054 posts

245 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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my 335d xdrive touring will be for sale soon as the rs6 arrives in may. pm me if you want dibs before I advertise

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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ZX10R NIN said:
Wills2 said:
Well the tripe I was referring to involved taking the range of 535d then dividing that by the fuel tank capacity of a 335d to give a 60mpg average consumption then throw the 0-62 from a 435d mix them all up = tripe. wink

Although you've not been here long, I think you'll probably have worked out by now which chuckle brother spouts the tripe.
Can't argue with that equation that does = TRIPE;)
Tripe yes with hindsight as we now know he was referring to a 535d not a 335d. Wrong assption

Your new round here you'll get how the clique works wink

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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insurance_jon said:
my 335d xdrive touring will be for sale soon as the rs6 arrives in may. pm me if you want dibs before I advertise
Can I ask whether that's a planned replacement (e.g. 335d coming to the end of its lease and just fancying a change) or does it reflect some disappointment with the car? Just interesting that Wills2 is getting rid of his F31 335d in favour of an M5 after a relatively short period of ownership and yours is being replaced with an RS6; a change in circumstances or is it a case of I've tried this diesel thing, don't like it and opting for a high performance petrol V8 is in some respects a reaction?!!

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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JNW1 said:
Can I ask whether that's a planned replacement (e.g. 335d coming to the end of its lease and just fancying a change) or does it reflect some disappointment with the car? Just interesting that Wills2 is getting rid of his F31 335d in favour of an M5 after a relatively short period of ownership and yours is being replaced with an RS6; a change in circumstances or is it a case of I've tried this diesel thing, don't like it and opting for a high performance petrol V8 is in some respects a reaction?!!
Check out these usernames previously owned 911/R8/M3 V8 etc etc all brand new I think they were trying to see if a much cheaper car could nearly compete with these as a living with experience however compared to these sorts of cars they are way short of the mark.

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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And it's pissing it down as well today and they have forecast snow tonight! irked



Fox-

13,228 posts

245 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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Crikey is this still going?

Just got back from 500 miles over a weekend in the F10 530d. 70% Motorway 30% A road. Mostly sensible speeds. Averaged 37mpg.

If you want to save money on fuel, get an x20d. Otherwise, get a 6 cylinder petrol. Sigh hehe

insurance_jon

4,054 posts

245 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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Welshbeef said:
JNW1 said:
Can I ask whether that's a planned replacement (e.g. 335d coming to the end of its lease and just fancying a change) or does it reflect some disappointment with the car? Just interesting that Wills2 is getting rid of his F31 335d in favour of an M5 after a relatively short period of ownership and yours is being replaced with an RS6; a change in circumstances or is it a case of I've tried this diesel thing, don't like it and opting for a high performance petrol V8 is in some respects a reaction?!!
Check out these usernames previously owned 911/R8/M3 V8 etc etc all brand new I think they were trying to see if a much cheaper car could nearly compete with these as a living with experience however compared to these sorts of cars they are way short of the mark.
The car was a stop gap to be fair while I was doing higher than my normal mileage and used some funds from selling my cayenne to start another division in my business. My only complaint is it feels a bit small (I'm a big lad and used to bigger cars) other than that it goes like st off a shovel

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Fox- said:
Crikey is this still going?

Just got back from 500 miles over a weekend in the F10 530d. 70% Motorway 30% A road. Mostly sensible speeds. Averaged 37mpg.

If you want to save money on fuel, get an x20d. Otherwise, get a 6 cylinder petrol. Sigh hehe
You must drive it harder than me as I can get that and more from my 25 mile commute. Learnt with cold engine etc.

Fox-

13,228 posts

245 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Welshbeef said:
You must drive it harder than me as I can get that and more from my 25 mile commute. Learnt with cold engine etc.
Nope - infact to start with, cruise set to 70mph it was nicely doing about 48mpg. Trouble is once you stop being on a PH fuel economy record run like most of your drives seem to be and you add in actual traffic, the city centre at your destination, a cold start before the next run, etc etc, it brings that average down nicely.

It would easily average 48mpg per tank every time if I lived in a Premier Inn beside the M5 and worked as an inspector of Motorway services.

Since your rubbish about how you can double your speed for the same fuel economy I suspect there is nobody left who believes your economy claims are anything more than massaged wink

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Fox- said:
Nope - infact to start with, cruise set to 70mph it was nicely doing about 48mpg. Trouble is once you stop being on a PH fuel economy record run like most of your drives seem to be and you add in actual traffic, the city centre at your destination, a cold start before the next run, etc etc, it brings that average down nicely.

It would easily average 48mpg per tank every time if I lived in a Premier Inn beside the M5 and worked as an inspector of Motorway services.

Since your rubbish about how you can double your speed for the same fuel economy I suspect there is nobody left who believes your economy claims are anything more than massaged wink
Lol maths letting you down again 56mphx2=112mph I said there is no discernible difference in instantaneous reading between c60-90mph of course it drops but by nowhere near you'd imagine.

Do that in the RS6 get ready for sub 14-15mpg

akeithj

Original Poster:

320 posts

209 months

Friday 13th March 2015
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I had the loan of a 335d Msport Touring with Msport+ pack and pano roof today and did about 160 miles covering all types of roads from motorways to the Yorkshire moors, here are a few observations;

I was very impressed with the power train, the engine and gearbox are superb, the ride comfortable and the handling confidence inspiring, but probably a little soft when pressing on over some of the more bumpy roads. I thought there was quite a lot of tyre noise inside the car, subjectively I would say there is more road noise than my E93 M3, possibly with this being a touring?. I think car interiors are all about personal taste and this one was all black and I was not keen on the way the passenger side of the dash looked, it just did not have the same air of quality as the M3, but then again there is probably £20k, between the list price of both cars. If you don't do track days, the 335/435 offers probably all of the performance you would ever need.

I also had a brief drive in a 530D Msport, this car only had only done 150 miles so was still quite tight, but the level of refinement compared to the 3 series was very noticeable, and even though it's getting on in years I felt the interior was a far nicer place to be, given the choice I would go for the 535d Msport.

I had also considered the X3 3.0d/35d, but it seems virtually impossible to get a test drive as there are none around, although I did manage a brief "run down the road" in a 3.0d just before Christmas. A friend mentioned the new Touareg R line and I arranged a test drive in that earlier in the week. I went with the expectation that it would be coarse, unrefined, slow and that I would not like it one bit, how wrong I was. It comes loaded with kit, is very comfortable,refined and with good performance, I came away more impressed than I was with the X3 3.0d.

So for me I think it's between the 535d and the Touareg.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Friday 13th March 2015
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Go for the H35 - Hartage smile

Well beyond M550d power but RWD RHD uber rare and will retain its value v other 535ds.

Takes them from 300-313 to 370/380Bhp.

0-62 mph just beats the 4wd 335d but then it monsters away as you'd expect. When I get round to it I'll be going down this route. Mine gets a nice wiggle on as is so Hartage fun would be silly grin ear to ear and would need caution in greasy conditions

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Friday 13th March 2015
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It's 5K for the Hartge tune, you'd seriously spend that for 60-70hp?




Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Saturday 14th March 2015
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Wills2 said:
It's 5K for the Hartge tune, you'd seriously spend that for 60-70hp?

When I looked and it was discussed on another thread it was c£2k ish.
£5k I believe is incl new exhaust rims other bodywork new dials etc all BMW badges replaced with Hartage.

Birds do something like it too but the point is you cannot get a RHD M550d the 535d is the fastest derv there is on offer. What if you'd like more... Which clearly no one needs but were folk who are into cars and some into making then even faster.

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Saturday 14th March 2015
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akeithj said:
I had the loan of a 335d Msport Touring with Msport+ pack and pano roof today and did about 160 miles covering all types of roads from motorways to the Yorkshire moors, here are a few observations;

I was very impressed with the power train, the engine and gearbox are superb, the ride comfortable and the handling confidence inspiring, but probably a little soft when pressing on over some of the more bumpy roads. I thought there was quite a lot of tyre noise inside the car, subjectively I would say there is more road noise than my E93 M3, possibly with this being a touring?. I think car interiors are all about personal taste and this one was all black and I was not keen on the way the passenger side of the dash looked, it just did not have the same air of quality as the M3, but then again there is probably £20k, between the list price of both cars. If you don't do track days, the 335/435 offers probably all of the performance you would ever need.
Did the F31 335d have adaptive suspension? If not I can see why you'd think it was too soft when trying to press on over an undulating road because frankly it is; however, adaptive does help and is borderline an essential option with the X-drives IMO. Obviously none of that helps the interior ambiance although mine has the oyster/black interior and the panoramic roof which helps to lift things a bit; I've been in an M-Sport with black leather, sun protection glass and no panoramic roof and didn't like it all (felt like being down a coal mine!) but some like it so each to their own. The one thing I really don't like on the 3-series is the sat-nav display that's stuck on top of the dash like an afterthought; much preferred the twin binnacle dash in my old E92 and in that respect I can see the 5-series is preferable as well (albeit a bigger and less agile car?). Anyway, all these things are down to personal preference and what you want/need the car to do so good look with whatever you decide!

tjlees

1,382 posts

236 months

Saturday 14th March 2015
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akeithj said:
I had the loan of a 335d Msport Touring with Msport+ pack and pano roof today and did about 160 miles covering all types of roads from motorways to the Yorkshire moors, here are a few observations;

I was very impressed with the power train, the engine and gearbox are superb, the ride comfortable and the handling confidence inspiring, but probably a little soft when pressing on over some of the more bumpy roads. I thought there was quite a lot of tyre noise inside the car, subjectively I would say there is more road noise than my E93 M3, possibly with this being a touring?. I think car interiors are all about personal taste and this one was all black and I was not keen on the way the passenger side of the dash looked, it just did not have the same air of quality as the M3, but then again there is probably £20k, between the list price of both cars. If you don't do track days, the 335/435 offers probably all of the performance you would ever need.
Yes you definitely need adaptive - in sport it stops the wallowing and corners a lot flatter. Merino leather seats and dashboard especially in contrasting leather lifts the interior to F10 levels but it's a 2k option.

I notice the difference in road noise going from the 335d 19s to winter nrf 18s (quieter) - according to autocar, 3 series is 68db at 70mph on 18s, and on 19s it's 69db, so not that much louder. Can't find the 5 series (only the m5 which is 69db at 70mph) or touareg but Merc c-class is 67db and would definitely be quieter.

Apart from 4wd element, if you are looking at 535d or Touareg then it's handling and performance v comfortable barge IMHO