BMW 130i - thoughts?

BMW 130i - thoughts?

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zainster

441 posts

176 months

Friday 3rd April 2015
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VerySideways said:
zainster said:
Had a look at the figures for 0-124 mph for both (personal experience made me question that statement).
E46 M3 18.3
E87 24.7
The LSD took 1.1 seconds off the 0-60 time... i also have the personal experience to back up the statement.
Even if does take 1.1 seconds its still going to be trailing by a huge distant by the time those speeds are reached.

You might have the experience but that's the complete opposite to mine when i had my M3's. Its also opposite to the manufacturers and motoring press info. 130i doesn't stand a chance. Doesn't make it a bad car, I really like em but let's not suggest there E46 M3 pace because they simply aren't. :-)

Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Friday 3rd April 2015
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At a very rough guess, and excluding insurance, I'd budget 50-100% more running costs than the clip. As in hope for 50, but be able to afford 100.

Mr Tidy

22,310 posts

127 months

Friday 3rd April 2015
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So back to the OP - I am running a Z4 Coupe with the N52 engine the same as the 130i has and it is fantastic!
As good chasing the redline at 7,000rpm as pulling cleanly at about 1,000 rpm in high gears.
Have averaged about 30 mpg over 4,000 miles so probably not enough red-line moments, but Scenics, Zafiras, and stuff get in the way!
Have a 325 ti Compact as a daily and in an ideal world I would like the 3 litre N52 in that - now there's a plan!
But budget a bit more for consumables than for a Clio!
You are lucky if a 130i is an option for you at 22 - I had a Rover P6 3500S at that age which seemed impressive at the time but wouldn't see which way a 120d went!! (Sounded much better though).

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Saturday 4th April 2015
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Why don't you get something properly fun and more befitting, like a RS Clio?

VerySideways

10,238 posts

272 months

Saturday 4th April 2015
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zainster said:
I really like em but let's not suggest there E46 M3 pace because they simply aren't. :-)
As i said, with a limited slip diff and decent tyres it's not until 120mph that the E46 shows any advantage at all. But you're entitled to your opinion.

Swervin_Mervin

4,446 posts

238 months

Saturday 4th April 2015
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SidewaysSi said:
Why don't you get something properly fun and more befitting, like a RS Clio?
laugh Good one.

mikearwas

1,112 posts

159 months

Saturday 4th April 2015
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I've had a 130i since I was 21 - fantastic car. Running costs are reasonable but you still need to be earning a decent wedge to afford it all. In the 4 years I had vanos solonoid and recently a coil pack go. Handling wise they are good fun but the lack of lsd means oversteer can be a spiky experience - not the mosf predictable. But then you shouldnt be doing that on public roads anyway!

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Saturday 4th April 2015
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Swervin_Mervin said:
SidewaysSi said:
Why don't you get something properly fun and more befitting, like a RS Clio?
laugh Good one.
Thanks, I do try. A 22 year old needs something properly engaging FFS.

Fox-

13,238 posts

246 months

Sunday 5th April 2015
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SidewaysSi said:
Thanks, I do try. A 22 year old needs something properly engaging FFS.
Yes, a Renault Clio is definitely far more sporting than an RWD 260bhp hatch.

S3_Graham

12,830 posts

199 months

Sunday 5th April 2015
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Fox- said:
SidewaysSi said:
Thanks, I do try. A 22 year old needs something properly engaging FFS.
Yes, a Renault Clio is definitely far more sporting than an RWD 260bhp hatch.
I've had a Clio 182 cup. Brilliant car. Great fun. 4 wheel drifts are ace.

I've also had a 130 and currently have an E36 M3. Miles and miles better. More engaging? On what level? There's nothing quite like a deserted wet junction in a 'relatively' powerful RWD car.

zainster

441 posts

176 months

Sunday 5th April 2015
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VerySideways said:
zainster said:
I really like em but let's not suggest there E46 M3 pace because they simply aren't. :-)
As i said, with a limited slip diff and decent tyres it's not until 120mph that the E46 shows any advantage at all. But you're entitled to your opinion.
Fair do's mate, I can't argue with your personal experience. 80bhp down and over 6 seconds difference in the sprint from 0 to 124 all made up by the 130i with just an LSD?! Cool story.





Swervin_Mervin

4,446 posts

238 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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SidewaysSi said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
SidewaysSi said:
Why don't you get something properly fun and more befitting, like a RS Clio?
laugh Good one.
Thanks, I do try. A 22 year old needs something properly engaging FFS.
And which Clio RS would be more engaging than a 260bhp RWD 1-series with one of the best N/A 6-pots ever made?


VerySideways

10,238 posts

272 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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zainster said:
Fair do's mate, I can't argue with your personal experience. 80bhp down and over 6 seconds difference in the sprint from 0 to 124 all made up by the 130i with just an LSD?! Cool story.
Did you read that somewhere? Oh it must be true then.
Apparently some dude made the Earth in 6 days too... rolleyes

VerySideways

10,238 posts

272 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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P.S. Did you know that torque (which is the rate at which power is developed) versus drag is what accounts for acceleration (the rate at which speed is developed)?
That extra 80bhp you're so proud of just gives the M3 a higher theoretical top speed (assuming equivalent drag factors), which is probably why my E92 M3 is faster than my old E46 M3. Except that, up to about 100mph, it really isn't...

Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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VerySideways said:
P.S. Did you know that torque (which is the rate at which power is developed).
Nope. Power is the rate at which torque is produced :-)

zainster

441 posts

176 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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VerySideways said:
zainster said:
Fair do's mate, I can't argue with your personal experience. 80bhp down and over 6 seconds difference in the sprint from 0 to 124 all made up by the 130i with just an LSD?! Cool story.
Did you read that somewhere? Oh it must be true then.
Apparently some dude made the Earth in 6 days too... rolleyes
Lol... I'm not dissing your 130i which you're evidently a massive fanboy of. I like them, decently quick. No M car though.

I'm sure if you say so it has to be true though, regardless whatever the facts suggest! rolleyes


Patrick Bateman

12,179 posts

174 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Swervin_Mervin said:
And which Clio RS would be more engaging than a 260bhp RWD 1-series with one of the best N/A 6-pots ever made?
RWD, hatchback and a 6 pot engine is what automatically qualifies something as the leader in engagement?

As a solid BMW man and owner of both an M car and a Clio, I would suggest that those who so swiftly dismiss the little hatchback usually haven't driven one. They may be flawed (driving position being the biggest one) but for anyone to say they are anything but extremely engaging when driven is just off the mark.

Take the latest Megane Trophy R as another example in a similar vein, how many reviews have the M135i as being the more engaging car?

And an e9x M3 is almost 2 seconds faster to 100mph than the e46, for what it's worth. hehe



Edited by Patrick Bateman on Tuesday 7th April 00:09

Swervin_Mervin

4,446 posts

238 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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I'll just add I owned 2 mk1s, drove a few mk2s and owned a mk3 Clio RS for 5 years. Hence it was a genuine question. wink

VerySideways

10,238 posts

272 months

Sunday 12th April 2015
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Mave said:
Nope. Power is the rate at which torque is produced :-)
Wrong.
Torque is defined mathematically as the rate of change of angular momentum of an object, i.e. the rate of change of the power required to increase said angular momentum.

rwdvectra

100 posts

190 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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VerySideways said:
As i said, with a limited slip diff and decent tyres it's not until 120mph that the E46 shows any advantage at all. But you're entitled to your opinion.
I've got a 130i with a E92 M3 rear end and although the car is quick the chances of it sticking with a E46 M3 unto 120mph are pretty remote. But I agree when people say a 130i is 80% of the performance with 50% of the running costs. The N52 is deaf one of the best non M engines in a BMW.

Edited by rwdvectra on Sunday 19th April 16:18