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BMRuss said:
With a mixture of driving I get 37.8mpgs from my 335d x drive, would have to be really pressing hard to get low 30's.
You would probably need to leave the handbrake on to see low 30s. Over a year and 16k miles I'm averaging just under 40mpg and I drive with some enthusiasm. xDrive seems to be responsible for a reduction of perhaps 4mpg relative to sDrive, but there is virtually no difference between the 30d and 35d engines in terms of fuel economy in this car. The 35d is really a no-brainer for £30pm extra.
335d said:
You would probably need to leave the handbrake on to see low 30s. Over a year and 16k miles I'm averaging just under 40mpg and I drive with some enthusiasm.
It depends on your journey profile surely. I don't drive particularly hard but my lifetime average on my F10 30d is 34.7mpg.Fox- said:
335d said:
You would probably need to leave the handbrake on to see low 30s. Over a year and 16k miles I'm averaging just under 40mpg and I drive with some enthusiasm.
It depends on your journey profile surely. I don't drive particularly hard but my lifetime average on my F10 30d is 34.7mpg.REALIST123 said:
Well, I don't rush around but I keep up with the traffic and my F10 30D averages mid 40s with a 50/50 mix of around home and long runs.
Astonishing, the only time I average average 45mpg to a tank is when the vast majority of it is a long Motorway journey. And I generally tend to sit at about 70ish on the Motorway, I don't fly everywhere really.
Fox- said:
Astonishing, the only time I average average 45mpg to a tank is when the vast majority of it is a long Motorway journey.
And I generally tend to sit at about 70ish on the Motorway, I don't fly everywhere really.
That sounds very poor if yours is an sDrive 330d. If I sit at a steady 70mph on flattish motorway my 335d xDrive gets close to 50mpg. I would have expected you to get mid 50s for the motorway section. And I generally tend to sit at about 70ish on the Motorway, I don't fly everywhere really.
The 330d xDrive seems to be no more efficient than the 335d xDrive, and some people seem to get worse economy from them, although it is hard to make a fair comparison.
The 330d sDrive and 330d xDrive engines are tuned differently from each other if you look at the official torque figures:
330d sDrive 560 Nm (2000-2750rpm)
330d xDrive 560 Nm (1500-3000rpm)
EDIT - sorry just spotted that your car is an F10, rather than an F30, so clearly sDrive. The economy figure does sound low though.
Edited by 335d on Friday 29th May 09:45
The anti-diesel comments are silly, it’s only a fuel and talking in an un-educated drivel way makes the posters sound like the dullard bloke down the pub that repeats himself and whom you desperately try to move away from. I know to those folk it’s complicated to read beyond ignorant biased views but the whole point of this thread focuses around choosing a 30d or 35d. If you want to add value to the topic please do but chatting crap about preferred fuel is bonkers, yes we get it, petrol is king, lovely, now please leave the room, ta.
I have the 330d SD sport automatic and with the PPK achieves 300 bhp, > 650 Nm of torque which is simply beautify and it’s a lovely quiet car. I carry two children and they manage to fall asleep in the back quite easily. The car is quiet and refined enough to have the radio on low and hold conversation with my wife. The controls are in reach, the seats are comfortable and if I’m on my own apparently the car will do a 0-60 in around 5 point something seconds, if I want to overtake then effortless torque will carry me safely passed in a blink.
Diesel cars, rattly, noisy horrid, slow things aren’t they…next time I’ll buy petrol, or electric, or hydrogen, bla bla bla
I have the 330d SD sport automatic and with the PPK achieves 300 bhp, > 650 Nm of torque which is simply beautify and it’s a lovely quiet car. I carry two children and they manage to fall asleep in the back quite easily. The car is quiet and refined enough to have the radio on low and hold conversation with my wife. The controls are in reach, the seats are comfortable and if I’m on my own apparently the car will do a 0-60 in around 5 point something seconds, if I want to overtake then effortless torque will carry me safely passed in a blink.
Diesel cars, rattly, noisy horrid, slow things aren’t they…next time I’ll buy petrol, or electric, or hydrogen, bla bla bla
knitware said:
I have the 330d SD sport automatic and with the PPK achieves 300 bhp, > 650 Nm of torque
I guess you are aware that the official PPK figures are somewhat lower (286hp and 600Nm) http://www.matlawrence.com/images/bmw/powerkit.pdfYour suggested torque figure in particular sounds high to me. Rolling roads seem to give pretty optimistic numbers in my experience, perhaps as people tend to want to see high numbers and the customer gets what he wants
smashy said:
superb knitwear...Top gear meets BMWland and topgear gets a mauling...glad your about Knitwear ,you know the Turbo lag in comfort mode which disapears in sport mode , has the Performance Pack effected that lag in comfort?
Cheers mate
Hi,Cheers mate
The PPK has altered the mapping and also the gearbox, it's subtle but noticeable and it affects all driving modes. For example in the comfort setting there is a change, it's as it was before the PPK when driving normally but when I go for an overtake the urgency of the gearbox and engine is instant, it's almost like it's switched to a sport setting if that makes sense. There's no need to move the gear stick to the left, overtakes can be made in comfort with no lag, it's a really good improvement.
With the gear lever left and the button in sport presented is a huge beautiful linear flow of torque and speed with each gear change nailed in at the top of the revs, it's super quick but there aren't many places and opportunities to drive like this too often, saved for a treat.
335d said:
I guess you are aware that the official PPK figures are somewhat lower (286hp and 600Nm) http://www.matlawrence.com/images/bmw/powerkit.pdf
Your suggested torque figure in particular sounds high to me. Rolling roads seem to give pretty optimistic numbers in my experience, perhaps as people tend to want to see high numbers and the customer gets what he wants
Hello, yes those figues are official and are for their brochure, I suppose it's like their official MPG figures, a 'bit off'.Your suggested torque figure in particular sounds high to me. Rolling roads seem to give pretty optimistic numbers in my experience, perhaps as people tend to want to see high numbers and the customer gets what he wants
An example of a rolling road
pre PPK - 330d 285 bhp and 637 Nm
post PPK- 300d 303 bhp and 664 Nm
So I actually quoted modest figures. It actually 'feels' about right. I had a MB E500 (PETROL)! with 388 bhp but with the weight and torque differences the cars felt as quick as each other, give or take.
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=...
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14...
The above figures are from one source but are not dissimilar to what other people are seeing.
Don't be too led by the figures either, the PPK although at a glance doesn't add too much HP but it seems to gel the whole car together more as a result of gearbox tweaks and other magic.
There is going to be a rolling road session soon with BMW 3 series F30/F31, 330d, 335d, 328i and 335i with each car being different, 330 with and without PPK etc so those results will be interesting.
OP,
330d or 335d, both great cars, I'm averaging around 41 mpg, BMW quote 56.5...
Edited by knitware on Friday 29th May 16:04
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