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burwoodman said:
Impressive as a 535D is it is no match for a 545. The latter having 333hp. Given it would struggle to hit 155 I bet the last 20 mph would be snail like.
I can imagine how many 535 owners will be be thinking their car is Ferrari quick.
Actually not, a german car magazine put a 535d and 545 on a race track and the 535 outrunned the 545...The reason ? The 60 hp advantage of the 545 could only be used over 200kph and were no match to the mid speed acceleration performances of the 535 which came out of every curve like a bullet (the good old story of low rpm high torque vs high rpm high hp)
Biased opinion (work for BMW dealer for 9 Years+) but have driven and sold pretty much every form of E39 + E60 5 Series both M car and Alpina.
535d is realistically as quick a car as most people will ever need. If you go to the track then a high revving petrol would probably be more desirable, but I would take the 535d Touring as my all days all events car over most other things.
Just a shame that they don't do it as a 4WD..
535d is realistically as quick a car as most people will ever need. If you go to the track then a high revving petrol would probably be more desirable, but I would take the 535d Touring as my all days all events car over most other things.
Just a shame that they don't do it as a 4WD..
Mark M said:
Biased opinion (work for BMW dealer for 9 Years+) but have driven and sold pretty much every form of E39 + E60 5 Series both M car and Alpina.
535d is realistically as quick a car as most people will ever need. If you go to the track then a high revving petrol would probably be more desirable, but I would take the 535d Touring as my all days all events car over most other things.
Just a shame that they don't do it as a 4WD..
Ok I just found the references again. The comparative test between the 535d and 545i was done by Sport Auto magazine which clocked the two cars on the Hockenheim. The 535d needed 1.20,2 min and the 545i 1.20,5 min.
The main reason being the better harmony between the 535d's engine and it's gearbox. Tyres were 535d->245/245 R 17 and 545i->245/275 R 18.
burwoodman said:
Thanks for the english lesson. Do you have anything else to contribute?
No I "passed" comment on actually having driven one so I'll leave it at that.
burwoodman said:
[workshy=quote]-bear = animal and passed = past/quote
Actually you are completely wrong. Go get a dictionary before u open your yap
Unless "Grizzly Nappa" is a new option on BM's, I think I'm right
Guy Humpage said:
Is that 2.85bar turbo boost figure correct? Seems awfully high.
Unless the 535 has a forged titanium bottom end, 2.85 bar will blow the engine to peices. I've heard of 800hp Skylines running less boost than that so it must be wrong.
As an aside, can the language police please contribute constructively to the topic or keep their pedantic ramblings to themselves.
_VTEC_ said:
Guy Humpage said:
Is that 2.85bar turbo boost figure correct? Seems awfully high.
Unless the 535 has a forged titanium bottom end, 2.85 bar will blow the engine to peices. I've heard of 800hp Skylines running less boost than that so it must be wrong.
No, diesels do have much higher boost than gasoline. The bottom end is not blown up because diesels have a much higher air fuel ratio. Much more air in than a gasoline does not equal much more fuel burnt.
>> Edited by dieseljohn on Thursday 10th February 17:15
dieseljohn said:
Guy Humpage said:
Is that 2.85bar turbo boost figure correct? Seems awfully high.
Unless the 535 has a forged titanium bottom end, 2.85 bar will blow the engine to peices. I've heard of 800hp Skylines running less boost than that so it must be wrong.
No, diesels do have much higher boost than gasoline. The bottom end is not blown up because diesels have a much higher air fuel ratio. Much more air in than a gasoline does not equal much more fuel burnt.
>> Edited by dieseljohn on Thursday 10th February 17:15
Diesel run higher compression, that I do know. I not sure about boost pressures from the turbo though. You could be right although I'll get back to you on this.
mondeoman said:
Got to say I'm seriously tempted to try one out and swap the M3 for it .....
Just not so sure about the interior, and the exterior only looks good in dark colours......
I love the car, but i wouldn't suggest for a second that u give up an M3 for it, unless its E36 or older.
_VTEC_ said:
Diesel run higher compression, that I do know. I not sure about boost pressures from the turbo though. You could be right although I'll get back to you on this.
I could be right? Thanks.
How are you going to check? Perhaps by asking someone who makes a living researching/developing diesel engines?
Only kidding with you, you've got no way to know what I do for a living.
Seriously though, lots of modern turbo diesels run this sort of level of boost. I could tell you the exact max boost of the current range of ford diesels but I've lost the bit of paper and all my colleagues have gone home! The reason you have such high boost is that, firstly, detonation is not a problem, and secondly you are running very lean compared to a petrol so you need loads more oxygen unless you want a huge plume of black smoke coming out of the exhaust.
Diesel engines do have much higher peak in cylinder pressures then petrols due to high boost, high compression and the nature of combustion which is why they are built much more strongly.
>> Edited by dieseljohn on Thursday 10th February 22:00
dieseljohn said:
Diesel run higher compression, that I do know. I not sure about boost pressures from the turbo though. You could be right although I'll get back to you on this.
I could be right? Thanks.
How are you going to check? Perhaps by asking someone who makes a living researching/developing diesel engines?
Only kidding with you, you've got no way to know what I do for a living.
Seriously though, lots of modern turbo diesels run this sort of level of boost. I could tell you the exact max boost of the current range of ford diesels but I've lost the bit of paper and all my colleagues have gone home! The reason you have such high boost is that, firstly, detonation is not a problem, and secondly you are running very lean compared to a petrol so you need loads more oxygen unless you want a huge plume of black smoke coming out of the exhaust.
Diesel engines do have much higher peak in cylinder pressures then petrols due to high boost, high compression and the nature of combustion which is why they are built much more strongly.
>> Edited by dieseljohn on Thursday 10th February 22:00
Should have known by your name that I was well out my depth. Sorry to question your authority mate.
Only prob for me is the depreciation, (unless you can write it off against the balance sheet).
BMW 535D Sport: New £39270, 1yr £30241, 2yr £26008, 3yr £22364, 4yr £19010.
I'd wait till its a yr old, and buy a loaded private example (hi-tech extras add nothing used). Save yourself £9k on list price and £5k on extras.
Baz
BMW 535D Sport: New £39270, 1yr £30241, 2yr £26008, 3yr £22364, 4yr £19010.
I'd wait till its a yr old, and buy a loaded private example (hi-tech extras add nothing used). Save yourself £9k on list price and £5k on extras.
Baz
I test drove a 530d when they were launched. It's hardly short of power and this one sounds even better.
The problem for me was potential depreciation. In round figures the 530 was about £31K but to get the spec I want eed brings the price to £40K which is asking for trouble at trade in time.
I bought a Jag in the end which on paper depreciates faster but needed no extras at all.
The problem for me was potential depreciation. In round figures the 530 was about £31K but to get the spec I want eed brings the price to £40K which is asking for trouble at trade in time.
I bought a Jag in the end which on paper depreciates faster but needed no extras at all.
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