F30 (LCI) 340i M-Sport - ordered!

[12TS]

It's sounds plausible. I've only done 400 miles so far, but it does feel faster than my old 135.

[SelocMole]

I certainly didn't pay four figures so I'll be happy regardless!

Any additional power is going to be appreciated because I just don't want it to feel too slow in comparison to the 996 Turbo (which is running at approx 480bhp at the moment).

If the standard car claims are under-played, I'm rather hoping the performance pack figures are too - that would be a massive bonus!!! May have to get the car to a rolling road to know for sure once it's run in.

Pics will be provided on or after Saturday...

[JNW1]

SelocMole said:

I certainly didn't pay four figures so I'll be happy regardless!

Any additional power is going to be appreciated because I just don't want it to feel too slow in comparison to the 996 Turbo (which is running at approx 480bhp at the moment).

If the standard car claims are under-played, I'm rather hoping the performance pack figures are too - that would be a massive bonus!!! May have to get the car to a rolling road to know for sure once it's run in.

Pics will be provided on or after Saturday...

So you get a power increase, sports exhaust and a LSD for less than £1k? Pretty good value if that's the case!

[aeropilot]

interstellar said:

It also doesn't help if you catch a curb when parking and put a 4 inch scuff along one of them either

Red looks lovely, shame that's not available on the 4GC

[12TS]

SelocMole said:

I certainly didn't pay four figures so I'll be happy regardless!

Any additional power is going to be appreciated because I just don't want it to feel too slow in comparison to the 996 Turbo (which is running at approx 480bhp at the moment).

If the standard car claims are under-played, I'm rather hoping the performance pack figures are too - that would be a massive bonus!!! May have to get the car to a rolling road to know for sure once it's run in.

Pics will be provided on or after Saturday...

Any idea what it's done to your insurance premium? I quite like that insurers don't see it as a big risk, my premium came down by about £60 compared to my old 135. I wouldn't be wanting to have to work hard to find someone who would insure it at a sensible price.

[SelocMole]

JNW1 said:

So you get a power increase, sports exhaust and a LSD for less than £1k? Pretty good value if that's the case!

Negotiation on a new car rocks!

[ghibbett]

That's a pretty amazing deal if it's the MPPK rather than MPE.

MPPK = M Performance Power Kit
Exhaust
Remap
£2.5 - £3k

MPE = M Performance Exhaust (different exhaust to MPPK)
£1k

M LSD
£2.5k approx

[ghibbett]

Here's a video of the MPPK on a 340i
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5VxoMpzZyA&li...

[SelocMole]

It's the MPPK, but not the LSD.

[Wills2]

JNW1 said:

12TS said:

It does sound good, and from what I've read here

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/11/04/bmw-340i-to-get-...

it's 360bhp, which is an increase of 35bhp or so. Nice, but I think I'll pass, the stock car is quick enough for me.

PS SelocMole - need to see some photos of your car when it arrives

From what I understand stock 340i's are making close to 350bhp so in real terms this modification is only adding 10-15bhp rather than 35bhp. Not sure what it costs but if as I suspect it's a hefty four-figure sum it's to be hoped the package amounts to more than 10bhp and a noisier exhaust!

I'm not sure it follows that BMW underrate the stock output (I don't think they do but that's another point) and then tell the truth about the MPPK?

If you believe the car is underrated as stock then logically it will be underrated with the MPPK.

[aeropilot]

Wills2 said:

JNW1 said:

12TS said:

It does sound good, and from what I've read here

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/11/04/bmw-340i-to-get-...

it's 360bhp, which is an increase of 35bhp or so. Nice, but I think I'll pass, the stock car is quick enough for me.

PS SelocMole - need to see some photos of your car when it arrives

From what I understand stock 340i's are making close to 350bhp so in real terms this modification is only adding 10-15bhp rather than 35bhp. Not sure what it costs but if as I suspect it's a hefty four-figure sum it's to be hoped the package amounts to more than 10bhp and a noisier exhaust!

I'm not sure it follows that BMW underrate the stock output (I don't think they do but that's another point) and then tell the truth about the MPPK?

If you believe the car is underrated as stock then logically it will be underrated with the MPPK.

N54's generally dyno'd 10-15 hp above quoted, N55's usually about bang on quoted. Not personally seen any UK of B58 on a RR yet to say, and I wouldn't take any info from USA as being accurate.
N54 version in the 1M was very conservative however

[JNW1]

SelocMole said:

JNW1 said:

So you get a power increase, sports exhaust and a LSD for less than £1k? Pretty good value if that's the case!

Negotiation on a new car rocks!

So you've managed to get the remap, exhaust and LSD for less than £1k? Well played that man, from the sounds of it that's a serious discount on the recommended retail price!!

[JNW1]

Wills2 said:

JNW1 said:

12TS said:

It does sound good, and from what I've read here

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/11/04/bmw-340i-to-get-...

it's 360bhp, which is an increase of 35bhp or so. Nice, but I think I'll pass, the stock car is quick enough for me.

PS SelocMole - need to see some photos of your car when it arrives

From what I understand stock 340i's are making close to 350bhp so in real terms this modification is only adding 10-15bhp rather than 35bhp. Not sure what it costs but if as I suspect it's a hefty four-figure sum it's to be hoped the package amounts to more than 10bhp and a noisier exhaust!

I'm not sure it follows that BMW underrate the stock output (I don't think they do but that's another point) and then tell the truth about the MPPK?

If you believe the car is underrated as stock then logically it will be underrated with the MPPK.

Yes, that's probably a fair point! Having said that 35bhp doesn't sound like a lot from a remap so it will interesting to see what sort of figures people like DMS and Evolve can achieve if and when they manage to develop an upgrade for the B58 engine....

[aeropilot]

JNW1 said:

Yes, that's probably a fair point! Having said that 35bhp doesn't sound like a lot from a remap so it will interesting to see what sort of figures people like DMS and Evolve can achieve if and when they manage to develop an upgrade for the B58 engine....

Yes, but it's 35hp and additional torque that has a BMW warranty, which for many people considering the BMW PPK will be the reason why they are considering it - especially if they are probably getting shot after 3 years or so, and especially now BMW are cracking down on checking cars when they get plugged in to the diagnostics.

[12TS]

aeropilot said:

Yes, but it's 35hp and additional torque that has a BMW warranty, which for many people considering the BMW PPK will be the reason why they are considering it - especially if they are probably getting shot after 3 years or so, and especially now BMW are cracking down on checking cars when they get plugged in to the diagnostics.

Very much like Subaru did (do?) with their PPPs. With a warranty I would at least consider it, interesting that BMW are now checking out for maps.

[JNW1]

aeropilot said:

JNW1 said:

Yes, that's probably a fair point! Having said that 35bhp doesn't sound like a lot from a remap so it will interesting to see what sort of figures people like DMS and Evolve can achieve if and when they manage to develop an upgrade for the B58 engine....

Yes, but it's 35hp and additional torque that has a BMW warranty, which for many people considering the BMW PPK will be the reason why they are considering it - especially if they are probably getting shot after 3 years or so, and especially now BMW are cracking down on checking cars when they get plugged in to the diagnostics.

Also a fair point and if you can get the sort of terms SelocMole appears to have secured it's a cracking deal; would have thought a LSD alone would have cost well more than £1k fitted so one of those plus a remap and exhaust for less than £1k is an absolute steal in my book!

[smashy]

JNW1 said:

From what I understand stock 340i's are making close to 350bhp so in real terms this modification is only adding 10-15bhp rather than 35bhp. Not sure what it costs but if as I suspect it's a hefty four-figure sum it's to be hoped the package amounts to more than 10bhp and a noisier exhaust!

Maybe look at it another way..the PPK on the 30d is supposed to take it from 258 to 284bhp but rolling roaders have shown 299bhp maybe they are being pessimistic with this petrol kit as well

[julian64]

Trouble is that rolling roads aren't worth poo unless you are doing car to car comparisons.

My F30 335d doesn't have a performance kit from BMW. They don't sell one. There has to be a reason that you can't get one with the 335

[SelocMole]

JNW1 said:

Also a fair point and if you can get the sort of terms SelocMole appears to have secured it's a cracking deal; would have thought a LSD alone would have cost well more than £1k fitted so one of those plus a remap and exhaust for less than £1k is an absolute steal in my book!

It is a fantastic deal - I am very happy - but got to stress this does not include the LSD sadly. Everything else, yes, but not the LSD.

[Wills2]

JNW1 said:

Wills2 said:

JNW1 said:

12TS said:

It does sound good, and from what I've read here

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/11/04/bmw-340i-to-get-...

it's 360bhp, which is an increase of 35bhp or so. Nice, but I think I'll pass, the stock car is quick enough for me.

PS SelocMole - need to see some photos of your car when it arrives

From what I understand stock 340i's are making close to 350bhp so in real terms this modification is only adding 10-15bhp rather than 35bhp. Not sure what it costs but if as I suspect it's a hefty four-figure sum it's to be hoped the package amounts to more than 10bhp and a noisier exhaust!

I'm not sure it follows that BMW underrate the stock output (I don't think they do but that's another point) and then tell the truth about the MPPK?

If you believe the car is underrated as stock then logically it will be underrated with the MPPK.

Yes, that's probably a fair point! Having said that 35bhp doesn't sound like a lot from a remap so it will interesting to see what sort of figures people like DMS and Evolve can achieve if and when they manage to develop an upgrade for the B58 engine....

People are also using corrected dyno figures on engines that self correct, there was a good article in a major german magazine autobild IIRC that showed when you didn't correct the figures on a modern turbo car the outputs were in line with the manufacturers figures.