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Anyone have any idea when the new 6 will come out?
Was considering a used 6 series if a Macan or Merc is too out of my reach (about 3-4 years old), but wanted to hold off in case a new radically different one came out! The current one is a bit soft, when driving and by the way it looks, but it's still an understated head turner...
Thank you!
Was considering a used 6 series if a Macan or Merc is too out of my reach (about 3-4 years old), but wanted to hold off in case a new radically different one came out! The current one is a bit soft, when driving and by the way it looks, but it's still an understated head turner...
Thank you!
It is a bit unknown at the moment, I have seen some reports that the 6 will change focus entirely and become more sports cars than GT cruiser, possibly becoming an 8 series again....
If it does get released in any guise then the new 5 series is out next year, based on that the F10 was 2010, F12/F13 6 series were 2011, the F06 6GC 2012. I would expect it to follow a similar time schedule.
It personally depends on how you feel and how you are thinking of funding the 6 series if you go down that path, list prices on the 6 series are utter nonsense, it is not uncommon to find many people getting the list down to around the early £50K region, and more than likely if you went lease the rate of APR is lower (or usually is when offers come up).
To put a real world example mine has around £8-9K of options list was around £78K, bought with 2,300 miles on for £47K.
I would not go for an early car though as it misses some of the slightly nicer later features that make the car a bit of a nicer place to be. For me it would always be the GC over the coupe/cab though as it just makes the car IMO.
In relation to the 6 being "soft", it really depends what your previous history is, ride wise many complained initially of poor ride as it is firmer than the 7 and in some cases specifically on the 20" 373m wheel combination increases it's firmness. Pretty much all of the test cars in reviews had VDC which many thought was standard, but never has been.
In relation to general driving ability it is more GT cruiser than anything else, and to try and think of it as anything else is silly, the first real contention for many is the length of the thing. Be warned if you do go down this route get used to overhanging parking bays. To stick it in real context the current SWB range rover is shorter. I have driven an F10 5 series as well when mine was in for a little warranty work and I said that it felt small inside.
Then we move on to the steering etc. which like many systems is fairly devoid of feel, but in honesty I have driven worse EPAS systems.
For me the thing that I love most and tbh is only really beaten by the new 7 is the interior, the design and feel is excellent, there is only one or two places where harder plastics are found and having sat in an M4, I thought the interior was pretty crap for similar money (I know they have different outward ideals, but even so the M4 could have just about been a regular 4 series when looking at some of the interior material choices).
Outside I have never had a bad comment only good, most seem to love it and I have only seen a few 6 series around here (mine seems one of an even fewer GC's) which means many know it is a BMW, but not which series. If there were one complaint with the GC is the rear door entry could be "better", but that is more the influence of the design, if you want less problems get a 5...
Engine wise the most common is the 40d, in honesty the 40i is rare as it is not any quicker in the real world than the 40d, with much poorer economy to boot. The 40d allows you to almost have your cake and eat it really. MPG wise highest I have had my 40d after 9K is 47.3 MPG taking it easy, my average usual is around 36-38MPG.
If you were even planning to go down the 50i route with the V8 then the N63 it is worth looking at the US forums as it is pretty problematic engine which even the N63TU version seems to have not fully cured it's troublesome reputation.
If it does get released in any guise then the new 5 series is out next year, based on that the F10 was 2010, F12/F13 6 series were 2011, the F06 6GC 2012. I would expect it to follow a similar time schedule.
It personally depends on how you feel and how you are thinking of funding the 6 series if you go down that path, list prices on the 6 series are utter nonsense, it is not uncommon to find many people getting the list down to around the early £50K region, and more than likely if you went lease the rate of APR is lower (or usually is when offers come up).
To put a real world example mine has around £8-9K of options list was around £78K, bought with 2,300 miles on for £47K.
I would not go for an early car though as it misses some of the slightly nicer later features that make the car a bit of a nicer place to be. For me it would always be the GC over the coupe/cab though as it just makes the car IMO.
In relation to the 6 being "soft", it really depends what your previous history is, ride wise many complained initially of poor ride as it is firmer than the 7 and in some cases specifically on the 20" 373m wheel combination increases it's firmness. Pretty much all of the test cars in reviews had VDC which many thought was standard, but never has been.
In relation to general driving ability it is more GT cruiser than anything else, and to try and think of it as anything else is silly, the first real contention for many is the length of the thing. Be warned if you do go down this route get used to overhanging parking bays. To stick it in real context the current SWB range rover is shorter. I have driven an F10 5 series as well when mine was in for a little warranty work and I said that it felt small inside.
Then we move on to the steering etc. which like many systems is fairly devoid of feel, but in honesty I have driven worse EPAS systems.
For me the thing that I love most and tbh is only really beaten by the new 7 is the interior, the design and feel is excellent, there is only one or two places where harder plastics are found and having sat in an M4, I thought the interior was pretty crap for similar money (I know they have different outward ideals, but even so the M4 could have just about been a regular 4 series when looking at some of the interior material choices).
Outside I have never had a bad comment only good, most seem to love it and I have only seen a few 6 series around here (mine seems one of an even fewer GC's) which means many know it is a BMW, but not which series. If there were one complaint with the GC is the rear door entry could be "better", but that is more the influence of the design, if you want less problems get a 5...
Engine wise the most common is the 40d, in honesty the 40i is rare as it is not any quicker in the real world than the 40d, with much poorer economy to boot. The 40d allows you to almost have your cake and eat it really. MPG wise highest I have had my 40d after 9K is 47.3 MPG taking it easy, my average usual is around 36-38MPG.
If you were even planning to go down the 50i route with the V8 then the N63 it is worth looking at the US forums as it is pretty problematic engine which even the N63TU version seems to have not fully cured it's troublesome reputation.
Edited by Ninja59 on Tuesday 19th July 08:58
Edited by Ninja59 on Tuesday 19th July 09:00
Ninja59 said:
It is a bit unknown at the moment, I have seen some reports that the 6 will change focus entirely and become more sports cars than GT cruiser, possibly becoming an 8 series again....
If it does get released in any guise then the new 5 series is out next year, based on that the F10 was 2010, F12/F13 6 series were 2011, the F06 6GC 2012. I would expect it to follow a similar time schedule.
It personally depends on how you feel and how you are thinking of funding the 6 series if you go down that path, list prices on the 6 series are utter nonsense, it is not uncommon to find many people getting the list down to around the early £50K region, and more than likely if you went lease the rate of APR is lower (or usually is when offers come up).
To put a real world example mine has around £8-9K of options list was around £78K, bought with 2,300 miles on for £47K.
I would not go for an early car though as it misses some of the slightly nicer later features that make the car a bit of a nicer place to be. For me it would always be the GC over the coupe/cab though as it just makes the car IMO.
In relation to the 6 being "soft", it really depends what your previous history is, ride wise many complained initially of poor ride as it is firmer than the 7 and in some cases specifically on the 20" 373m wheel combination increases it's firmness. Pretty much all of the test cars in reviews had VDC which many thought was standard, but never has been.
In relation to general driving ability it is more GT cruiser than anything else, and to try and think of it as anything else is silly, the first real contention for many is the length of the thing. Be warned if you do go down this route get used to overhanging parking bays. To stick it in real context the current SWB range rover is shorter. I have driven an F10 5 series as well when mine was in for a little warranty work and I said that it felt small inside.
Then we move on to the steering etc. which like many systems is fairly devoid of feel, but in honesty I have driven worse EPAS systems.
For me the thing that I love most and tbh is only really beaten by the new 7 is the interior, the design and feel is excellent, there is only one or two places where harder plastics are found and having sat in an M4, I thought the interior was pretty crap for similar money (I know they have different outward ideals, but even so the M4 could have just about been a regular 4 series when looking at some of the interior material choices).
Outside I have never had a bad comment only good, most seem to love it and I have only seen a few 6 series around here (mine seems one of an even fewer GC's) which means many know it is a BMW, but not which series. If there were one complaint with the GC is the rear door entry could be "better", but that is more the influence of the design, if you want less problems get a 5...
Engine wise the most common is the 40d, in honesty the 40i is rare as it is not any quicker in the real world than the 40d, with much poorer economy to boot. The 40d allows you to almost have your cake and eat it really. MPG wise highest I have had my 40d after 9K is 47.3 MPG taking it easy, my average usual is around 36-38MPG.
If you were even planning to go down the 50i route with the V8 then the N63 it is worth looking at the US forums as it is pretty problematic engine which even the N63TU version seems to have not fully cured it's troublesome reputation.
Great post - really informative, so thank you for that!If it does get released in any guise then the new 5 series is out next year, based on that the F10 was 2010, F12/F13 6 series were 2011, the F06 6GC 2012. I would expect it to follow a similar time schedule.
It personally depends on how you feel and how you are thinking of funding the 6 series if you go down that path, list prices on the 6 series are utter nonsense, it is not uncommon to find many people getting the list down to around the early £50K region, and more than likely if you went lease the rate of APR is lower (or usually is when offers come up).
To put a real world example mine has around £8-9K of options list was around £78K, bought with 2,300 miles on for £47K.
I would not go for an early car though as it misses some of the slightly nicer later features that make the car a bit of a nicer place to be. For me it would always be the GC over the coupe/cab though as it just makes the car IMO.
In relation to the 6 being "soft", it really depends what your previous history is, ride wise many complained initially of poor ride as it is firmer than the 7 and in some cases specifically on the 20" 373m wheel combination increases it's firmness. Pretty much all of the test cars in reviews had VDC which many thought was standard, but never has been.
In relation to general driving ability it is more GT cruiser than anything else, and to try and think of it as anything else is silly, the first real contention for many is the length of the thing. Be warned if you do go down this route get used to overhanging parking bays. To stick it in real context the current SWB range rover is shorter. I have driven an F10 5 series as well when mine was in for a little warranty work and I said that it felt small inside.
Then we move on to the steering etc. which like many systems is fairly devoid of feel, but in honesty I have driven worse EPAS systems.
For me the thing that I love most and tbh is only really beaten by the new 7 is the interior, the design and feel is excellent, there is only one or two places where harder plastics are found and having sat in an M4, I thought the interior was pretty crap for similar money (I know they have different outward ideals, but even so the M4 could have just about been a regular 4 series when looking at some of the interior material choices).
Outside I have never had a bad comment only good, most seem to love it and I have only seen a few 6 series around here (mine seems one of an even fewer GC's) which means many know it is a BMW, but not which series. If there were one complaint with the GC is the rear door entry could be "better", but that is more the influence of the design, if you want less problems get a 5...
Engine wise the most common is the 40d, in honesty the 40i is rare as it is not any quicker in the real world than the 40d, with much poorer economy to boot. The 40d allows you to almost have your cake and eat it really. MPG wise highest I have had my 40d after 9K is 47.3 MPG taking it easy, my average usual is around 36-38MPG.
If you were even planning to go down the 50i route with the V8 then the N63 it is worth looking at the US forums as it is pretty problematic engine which even the N63TU version seems to have not fully cured it's troublesome reputation.
Edited by Ninja59 on Tuesday 19th July 08:58
Edited by Ninja59 on Tuesday 19th July 09:00
You've told me everything I wanted in one post really.
I do think the car is beautiful - I have a 2013 CLS and I thought was nice, but this 6 series is even more beautiful. Do you think if I were to purchase one now, I can get about two years out of it before a new one comes out? If I buy say a 2013 one for £25K - perhaps after 3 years it would be worth £15K?
Interesting I had a CLS or A7 on my list of cars to try against the 6,I never got through the door of either Merc or Audi after the BMW!
The other two are far cheaper to buy, but the spec of the 6 is better (albeit the only thing I would say is that some think the leather quality of being only Dakota is a poor choice as standard on the 6, instead of nappa or merino being standard) - not sure what the CLS comes with in honesty!
The biggest problem for the 6 prices come resale is the level of discount the new cars get and attract, if you are only keeping it for two years why not lease? (it may work out better for you? depending on mileage?), more so if you are financing the car? from memory the most recent BMW offers have been a low deposit for around £650 a month, I know many that got monthly payments in to the £4XX or early £5XX quite easily.
If you are buying outright then different kettle of fish, but keeping for such a short time period could harm you more, I intend to keep mine for around 4/5 years so the sense in buying outright is more clear.
The biggest problem and advantage is the same, the 6 series is one of BMW's slowest selling models....
In relation to used prices I would avoid MY2012 as it does not have the updated idrive controller and few other bits, 2013 cars with high miles are around £30K, slightly lower miles around mid £30's, 2014 around £35K
Another factor is the M sport kit which many are as opposed to SE, but the SE does not get the leather dash...which is another nice part of the M Sport trim. Unlike other models as well the spring and shock are the same SE to M Sport and vice versa (excluding the VDC and the other version with active anti roll bars (the name escapes me!)).
The other two are far cheaper to buy, but the spec of the 6 is better (albeit the only thing I would say is that some think the leather quality of being only Dakota is a poor choice as standard on the 6, instead of nappa or merino being standard) - not sure what the CLS comes with in honesty!
The biggest problem for the 6 prices come resale is the level of discount the new cars get and attract, if you are only keeping it for two years why not lease? (it may work out better for you? depending on mileage?), more so if you are financing the car? from memory the most recent BMW offers have been a low deposit for around £650 a month, I know many that got monthly payments in to the £4XX or early £5XX quite easily.
If you are buying outright then different kettle of fish, but keeping for such a short time period could harm you more, I intend to keep mine for around 4/5 years so the sense in buying outright is more clear.
The biggest problem and advantage is the same, the 6 series is one of BMW's slowest selling models....
In relation to used prices I would avoid MY2012 as it does not have the updated idrive controller and few other bits, 2013 cars with high miles are around £30K, slightly lower miles around mid £30's, 2014 around £35K
Another factor is the M sport kit which many are as opposed to SE, but the SE does not get the leather dash...which is another nice part of the M Sport trim. Unlike other models as well the spring and shock are the same SE to M Sport and vice versa (excluding the VDC and the other version with active anti roll bars (the name escapes me!)).
Edited by Ninja59 on Tuesday 19th July 11:31
Ninja59 said:
It is a bit unknown at the moment, I have seen some reports that the 6 will change focus entirely and become more sports cars than GT cruiser, possibly becoming an 8 series again....
Surely the 8 Series would be reserved for a different class of car an S Class Coupe competitor (which is probably coming, seeing as the new 7 has been well received and S class coups are selling by the bucket load). In the current product hierarchy 8 series would imply it is 7 series sized which the 6 clearly isn't.
I would imagine you are correct with an 8 series coming back but it comes as well as the 6 rather than instead of.
patch5674 said:
Surely the 8 Series would be reserved for a different class of car an S Class Coupe competitor (which is probably coming, seeing as the new 7 has been well received and S class coups are selling by the bucket load).
In the current product hierarchy 8 series would imply it is 7 series sized which the 6 clearly isn't.
I would imagine you are correct with an 8 series coming back but it comes as well as the 6 rather than instead of.
This is more to do with the purpose of the car though the current 6 series is as I said above a GT car through and through it may have some sporting pretensions, but that is much further down the pecking order in the current car.In the current product hierarchy 8 series would imply it is 7 series sized which the 6 clearly isn't.
I would imagine you are correct with an 8 series coming back but it comes as well as the 6 rather than instead of.
If you actually read the full statement of the quote as well the 6 series is possibly going to be refocused as a more high end sports car and critically not a GT. The 8 series would effectively therefore become the default high end GT replacement for any current 6 owner. Where this leaves the 6GC is a little interesting, I do envisage it being replaced with possibly an 8GC or something similar as the 7 series is more comfort than anything, the 6 more GT which is slightly more sporty so effectively there still would be a place for it.
Furthermore, the current 6 Coupe is 4.8 metres long, the cab the same, the GC is a little longer at 5.007 metres the current new G series 7 is only 5.09 metres. Width wise they are very similar as well 6 series is 2.09 metres wide, the 7 is only 2.1...effectively very little in it in terms of size...I think many underestimate how close the size of a 6 and 7 come. Added to that is if you ever get under a 6, some of the axles and other parts do not say F12/F13/F06, but ironically F01...
I think you also are getting far to hung up on what series they come from, in future the biggest thing really is that the same chassis is pretty much going to serve the 3,5, 6, 7 and if the 8 makes an appearance that to. I would not be surprised to see the replacement RR Ghost, Wraith and Dawn in future on that chassis. In regards to the Phantom replacement then chances are (and judging from the teasers released by RR) then the same carbon fibre technology structure is being replicated there as well like the new G series 7.
Furthermore if we expand this even further then the current BMW product structure is a confused mess of many similar concepts anyway...
1 - 3dr and 5dr
2 - coupe,cab, active tourer and it's grand version variant (now that is a b
d of the brand, like the 1 will become in the next gen)3 - saloon,touring, GT
4 - coupe, cab, GC
5 - saloon, touring,GT
6- coupe, cab and GT
7 - SWB & LWB
That is before I get on to the X, Z and i ranges...
Maybe some yearn for the days when BMW's hierarchy was easy with the 3,5 and 7 (the 8 when it was originally available and the odd Z range model)....
Edited by Ninja59 on Wednesday 20th July 06:56
Edited by Ninja59 on Wednesday 20th July 06:59
Ninja59 said:
This is more to do with the purpose of the car though the current 6 series is as I said above a GT car through and through it may have some sporting pretensions, but that is much further down the pecking order in the current car.
If you actually read the full statement of the quote as well the 6 series is possibly going to be refocused as a more high end sports car and critically not a GT. The 8 series would effectively therefore become the default high end GT replacement for any current 6 owner. Where this leaves the 6GC is a little interesting, I do envisage it being replaced with possibly an 8GC or something similar as the 7 series is more comfort than anything, the 6 more GT which is slightly more sporty so effectively there still would be a place for it.
Furthermore, the current 6 Coupe is 4.8 metres long, the cab the same, the GC is a little longer at 5.007 metres the current new G series 7 is only 5.09 metres. Width wise they are very similar as well 6 series is 2.09 metres wide, the 7 is only 2.1...effectively very little in it in terms of size...I think many underestimate how close the size of a 6 and 7 come. Added to that is if you ever get under a 6, some of the axles and other parts do not say F12/F13/F06, but ironically F01...
I think you also are getting far to hung up on what series they come from, in future the biggest thing really is that the same chassis is pretty much going to serve the 3,5, 6, 7 and if the 8 makes an appearance that to. I would not be surprised to see the replacement RR Ghost, Wraith and Dawn in future on that chassis. In regards to the Phantom replacement then chances are (and judging from the teasers released by RR) then the same carbon fibre technology structure is being replicated there as well like the new G series 7.
Furthermore if we expand this even further then the current BMW product structure is a confused mess of many similar concepts anyway...
1 - 3dr and 5dr
2 - coupe,cab, active tourer and it's grand version variant (now that is a bd of the brand, like the 1 will become in the next gen)
3 - saloon,touring, GT
4 - coupe, cab, GC
5 - saloon, touring,GT
6- coupe, cab and GT
7 - SWB & LWB
That is before I get on to the X, Z and i ranges...
Maybe some yearn for the days when BMW's hierarchy was easy with the 3,5 and 7 (the 8 when it was originally available and the odd Z range model)....
Yeh I've seen the reports of the 911 rivaling 6 series. The renderings look sweet too.If you actually read the full statement of the quote as well the 6 series is possibly going to be refocused as a more high end sports car and critically not a GT. The 8 series would effectively therefore become the default high end GT replacement for any current 6 owner. Where this leaves the 6GC is a little interesting, I do envisage it being replaced with possibly an 8GC or something similar as the 7 series is more comfort than anything, the 6 more GT which is slightly more sporty so effectively there still would be a place for it.
Furthermore, the current 6 Coupe is 4.8 metres long, the cab the same, the GC is a little longer at 5.007 metres the current new G series 7 is only 5.09 metres. Width wise they are very similar as well 6 series is 2.09 metres wide, the 7 is only 2.1...effectively very little in it in terms of size...I think many underestimate how close the size of a 6 and 7 come. Added to that is if you ever get under a 6, some of the axles and other parts do not say F12/F13/F06, but ironically F01...
I think you also are getting far to hung up on what series they come from, in future the biggest thing really is that the same chassis is pretty much going to serve the 3,5, 6, 7 and if the 8 makes an appearance that to. I would not be surprised to see the replacement RR Ghost, Wraith and Dawn in future on that chassis. In regards to the Phantom replacement then chances are (and judging from the teasers released by RR) then the same carbon fibre technology structure is being replicated there as well like the new G series 7.
Furthermore if we expand this even further then the current BMW product structure is a confused mess of many similar concepts anyway...
1 - 3dr and 5dr
2 - coupe,cab, active tourer and it's grand version variant (now that is a b
d of the brand, like the 1 will become in the next gen)3 - saloon,touring, GT
4 - coupe, cab, GC
5 - saloon, touring,GT
6- coupe, cab and GT
7 - SWB & LWB
That is before I get on to the X, Z and i ranges...
Maybe some yearn for the days when BMW's hierarchy was easy with the 3,5 and 7 (the 8 when it was originally available and the odd Z range model)....
Edited by Ninja59 on Wednesday 20th July 06:56
Edited by Ninja59 on Wednesday 20th July 06:59
I do love the current 6GC though. I was thinking if I buy a 4 year old one for 25K now and three years later it's 12-13K it'd be worth it with say 70K on the clock. Accurate estimation?
Ninja59 said:
Maybe some yearn for the days when BMW's hierarchy was easy with the 3,5 and 7 (the 8 when it was originally available and the odd Z range model)....
I certainly do! Edited by Ninja59 on Wednesday 20th July 06:56
Edited by Ninja59 on Wednesday 20th July 06:59
I've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
derin100 said:
I certainly do!
I've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
I've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
You'll car is f
king beautiful.When I was a kid, I always wanted to own an 8 series.
johnphiladelphia said:
Yeh I've seen the reports of the 911 rivaling 6 series. The renderings look sweet too.
I do love the current 6GC though. I was thinking if I buy a 4 year old one for 25K now and three years later it's 12-13K it'd be worth it with say 70K on the clock. Accurate estimation?
Oh many people do you are far from alone in that statement of liking the current 6GC, I prefer it to the F12/13 (never quite understood how the code for the GC ended up as F06 in that lot!)I do love the current 6GC though. I was thinking if I buy a 4 year old one for 25K now and three years later it's 12-13K it'd be worth it with say 70K on the clock. Accurate estimation?
I would not go for a 25K one personally as you will be looking at the higher mileage cars possibly at risk of being the 2012 cars...I would say go at least 2013. As for the three years later one...I could see that (depending on how the rest of the range goes obviously!)
derin100 said:
I certainly do!
I've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
I have to agree actually I liked BMW when it was easier, but at the current time in the current range the 6 series (despite it being not one of the 3,5 and 7) appears to me at least the only one that somehow escaped with some very nice design (I won't even begin to talk about the FWD 2 series MPV...shudder). I've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
For me the F10 is boxy looking, shame I was behind an E39 and did think how wonderful looking it was, also had a very nice looking E36 cab a few days prior as well (surprised it has not rusted to death it did look fair weather only though!).
To top it all though I saw an E9 on the M1 just a week ago, absolutely beautiful thing.
As for your 8 I did yearn for one in my earlier youth, I would just be a tad scared by the amount of work and parts supply! hahaha.
Edited by Ninja59 on Friday 22 July 09:56
Ninja59 said:
derin100 said:
I certainly do!
I've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
I have to agree actually I liked BMW when it was easier, but at the current time in the current range the 6 series (despite it being not one of the 3,5 and 7) appears to me at least the only one that somehow escaped with some very nice design (I won't even begin to talk about the FWD 2 series MPV...shudder). I've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
For me the F10 is boxy looking, shame I was behind an E39 and did think how wonderful looking it was, also had a very nice looking E36 cab a few days prior as well (surprised it has not rusted to death it did look fair weather only though!).
To top it all though I saw an E9 on the M1 just a week ago, absolutely beautiful thing.
As for your 8 I did yearn for one in my earlier youth, I would just be a tad scared by the amount of work and parts supply! hahaha.
Edited by Ninja59 on Friday 22 July 09:56
At the age of 25, I managed to buy one with my first month's salary in 1988 after I first qualified. It was a one owner from new car, 16 year old 3.0CS Manual Carb version in Baikal Blue. I bought it for £1500. I bought it because I couldn't afford an E24 6-Series!
I owned that car for over 13 years until I sold it in about 2001.It was the car my wife and I drove away in after our wedding 25 years ago and the car we took our first son home from the hospital in.
It came up for sale on Ebay about 2 years ago for £7500. Sentimentality nearly got the better of me to buy it back but knowing what these things cost to restore and keep I saw sense and declined. I don't have many pics of the car...it was the pre-digital camera era...but it's the 5th car from the bottom in the thumbnails on the left on my website:
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/about/index.html
I don't mean to completely 'thread hijack' (sorry)...but you know, it's a bit of a myth about the complexity of the E31 8-Series? Sure, they were considered a complex and expensive car to run when they were first launched but not by today's standards. They are no more complex really than an E38 7-er or E39 5-er. Sure, many body and trim parts are unique to the E31 but much of the mechanicals etc. aren't. It's worth reading Timm's website which is an absolutely superb resource:
http://www.meeknet.co.uk/E31/Buying_Guide/BMW_E31_...
P.S Saw my second 6-Series GC early this morning at the petrol station! Very nice! Maybe now that I'm actually aware of them I'll be noticing more that what I'm looking at isn't actually a 7-Series? The difference wasn't previously immediately apparent to me.
Edited by derin100 on Friday 22 July 11:08
6 Series looks really special from the front, and darn good from the side. But the rear is a bit of a let down. From what I gather, the rear passenger space is no better than the 4 series, plus a low roof line, but I havent spent enough time to confirm.
Absolutely a head turner. I do prefer the 2 door but the GC looks great too. I've seen several convertibles about and they look amazing
Absolutely a head turner. I do prefer the 2 door but the GC looks great too. I've seen several convertibles about and they look amazing
derin100 said:
I certainly do!
I've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
that's one pretty carI've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
silent ninja said:
6 Series looks really special from the front, and darn good from the side. But the rear is a bit of a let down. From what I gather, the rear passenger space is no better than the 4 series, plus a low roof line, but I havent spent enough time to confirm.
Absolutely a head turner. I do prefer the 2 door but the GC looks great too. I've seen several convertibles about and they look amazing
Wait a sec...now I'm really confused!? And shows how completely out of touch I've become.Absolutely a head turner. I do prefer the 2 door but the GC looks great too. I've seen several convertibles about and they look amazing
derin100 said:
I certainly do!
I've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
that's one pretty carI've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
The "straight 6-Series" is a 2-dr, right? And then there's a convertible of that. I understand that. Then there's the "6-Series GC", which is a 4-door bigger sort of version but with a lower slung roof-line? Now you're telling me there's even a convertible version of that? I thought: "No way!" Then I look on Google images and find this:
Photoshop or similar, right? Surely?
(Thanks for the comments on the 840Ci Sport. Bought over 10 years ago with just 25K miles on the clock...still only 27K miles now.
)derin100 said:
Wait a sec...now I'm really confused!? And shows how completely out of touch I've become.
The "straight 6-Series" is a 2-dr, right? And then there's a convertible of that. I understand that. Then there's the "6-Series GC", which is a 4-door bigger sort of version but with a lower slung roof-line? Now you're telling me there's even a convertible version of that? I thought: "No way!" Then I look on Google images and find this:
Photoshop or similar, right? Surely?
(Thanks for the comments on the 840Ci Sport. Bought over 10 years ago with just 25K miles on the clock...still only 27K miles now. )
Here's the new convertible in HD glory. Sorry for confusion it's2 doorThe "straight 6-Series" is a 2-dr, right? And then there's a convertible of that. I understand that. Then there's the "6-Series GC", which is a 4-door bigger sort of version but with a lower slung roof-line? Now you're telling me there's even a convertible version of that? I thought: "No way!" Then I look on Google images and find this:
Photoshop or similar, right? Surely?
(Thanks for the comments on the 840Ci Sport. Bought over 10 years ago with just 25K miles on the clock...still only 27K miles now.
)https://youtu.be/guylyZs8nsA
Edited by silent ninja on Friday 22 July 20:29
silent ninja said:
Here's the new convertible in HD glory. Sorry for confusion it's2 door
https://youtu.be/guylyZs8nsA
Very nice indeed!https://youtu.be/guylyZs8nsA
Edited by silent ninja on Friday 22 July 20:29
Glad to see that they kept the rear accommodation just as commodious as in the 8-Series!
silent ninja said:
6 Series looks really special from the front, and darn good from the side. But the rear is a bit of a let down.
This is exactly why I bought mine a few months ago:
Agree with the rear end; I know the E63's rump was derided a fair bit but I really liked it; gave the car a certain character. The revised model seems to tone things down and it looks a bit bland in my eyes.
Over the rear there is subtle differences between the GC and the coupe/cab - like the 3rd brake light, I like the rear of the 6 overall, but I will hasten add I think it is very much colour choice decided on how nice it looks.
Parabolica that must be one of the very few 640i's I have ever seen! Saying that my dealer currently has a 6 series cab 650i and an M6 cab in at the same time!
For those looking at LCI cars as well get an early LCI as they included the LED headlights as standard (mine has them and I find them awesome with the adaptive blanking etc. (the pre LCI did not get this only the on and off version), interestingly BMW have now seen fit to remove this from the standard fit list and LED headlights are now options again (mind at only £650, unlike pre LCI when they were well over £2000, hence very rare to find on pre LCI cars), thank god I got mine when I did though...
Parabolica that must be one of the very few 640i's I have ever seen! Saying that my dealer currently has a 6 series cab 650i and an M6 cab in at the same time!
For those looking at LCI cars as well get an early LCI as they included the LED headlights as standard (mine has them and I find them awesome with the adaptive blanking etc. (the pre LCI did not get this only the on and off version), interestingly BMW have now seen fit to remove this from the standard fit list and LED headlights are now options again (mind at only £650, unlike pre LCI when they were well over £2000, hence very rare to find on pre LCI cars), thank god I got mine when I did though...
I think the petrol to diesel ratio is like 1:50 across the range since 2012; it was pure luck I found a petrol variant when I started looking for cars. That was actually the first one I saw and drove; I subsequently went to do the deal on a better spec'd 640d (couldn't believe how cheap the tax was on them) but someone bought it from underneath me whilst I was in the showroom! So ended up the the i instead - and so much better for it!! Only wish it was in Deep Sea (or Tanzanite) Blue instead of black.
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