F10 m5, would a new engine put you off?

F10 m5, would a new engine put you off?

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irish boy

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235 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Seriously considering a 2012 m5, silverstone with upgraded leather and generally well specced. 5 year/60k service plan. Brakes done.

It's an auc car, I asked the sales chap to check the warranty history, it had a new engine early '15 with 16k due to 'excessive oil consumption' claim cost £18k. Now done 26k and no issues since. Standard year auc warranty included.

Would this put you off? Seems fine in my head but the day you buy is the day you sell etc etc and realisitcally I'll not keep it more than 2 years....

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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If not more than 2 years plus GFV zero risk.

HoHoHo

14,974 posts

249 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Providing you have a warranty (which you would be foolish not to have IMO) then not at all.

W8PMC

3,345 posts

237 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Is the price adjusted at all due to the history?

I'd see a new engine as a bonus to be honest, but would also try to get a little extra off due to this imperfect history. If the BMW warranty's in tact & the engine i'd assume now has a newer warranty given it was only replaced last year, you could be onto a winner.

Welshbeef

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197 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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W8PMC said:
Is the price adjusted at all due to the history?

I'd see a new engine as a bonus to be honest, but would also try to get a little extra off due to this imperfect history. If the BMW warranty's in tact & the engine i'd assume now has a newer warranty given it was only replaced last year, you could be onto a winner.
I guess the OP is wondering why did it fail? Was it previous owner who drove in a certain fashion which ruined it as such other parts worn further.

RichardM5

1,732 posts

135 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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If you are not going to keep it long it would not bother me.

Warranty wise it makes no difference, parts replaced under warranty are only covered as long as the original part would have been. The phrase is 'no compensation without consideration'. i.e. if you have not paid anything, you are not entitled to anything (unless explicitly agreed in writing).

HoHoHo

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249 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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RichardM5 said:
If you are not going to keep it long it would not bother me.

Warranty wise it makes no difference, parts replaced under warranty are only covered as long as the original part would have been. The phrase is 'no compensation without consideration'. i.e. if you have not paid anything, you are not entitled to anything (unless explicitly agreed in writing).
I was simply referring to an on-going warranty with BMW.

Personally I won't run a car like the M5 etc. without a manufacturers warranty in place.

RichardM5

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Thursday 25th August 2016
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W8PMC said:
If the BMW warranty's in tact & the engine i'd assume now has a newer warranty given it was only replaced last year, you could be onto a winner.
It was this phrase I was pertaining to.

mondie

622 posts

141 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Does the replacement engine have the original engines number?

likesachange

2,630 posts

193 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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also check the new engine has had the running in service which am sure is just as important... in other words it should have had 2 running in services.

Other than that as paul says id see it as a bonus and id imagine you will get decent discount with that sketchy history especially if BMW didnt originally pick up on it when brought in

irish boy

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235 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Yes new engine had the running in service. The engine was replaced due to excessive oil consumption. It's still in prep at the minute so I haven't had a drive but from what I've read they're rather good.

likesachange

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193 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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irish boy said:
Yes new engine had the running in service. The engine was replaced due to excessive oil consumption. It's still in prep at the minute so I haven't had a drive but from what I've read they're rather good.
Yes very few people who have owned one would disagree (if any) wind windows down and dont be scared to throw it into the corners! the grip is very impressive!! (just go easy applying the throttle when coming out of them eek)

Wills2

22,612 posts

174 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Why is a new engine automatically bad news, if it's due to the car finding itself in a river/flooded out then perhaps but generally new is good isn't it?

If the old one had excessive oil usage then a new engine under warranty is a good thing, surely? The S63 is a strong unit people running big power in the US with zero issues.




Welshbeef

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197 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Wills2 said:
Why is a new engine automatically bad news, if it's due to the car finding itself in a river/flooded out then perhaps but generally new is good isn't it?

If the old one had excessive oil usage then a new engine under warranty is a good thing, surely? The S63 is a strong unit people running big power in the US with zero issues.



Maybe the older owner had pushed boost to he max and somehow BMW didn't notice replaced the engine. But the remaining drive train has been worked far harder than it was designed.


Basically we don't know. It could have been an utter tool of a driver just red lining it in neutral in traffic which we sometimes see in London when he Arabs come in super cars.

If it's the same block it might have intermittant issues so a ball ache for his ownership then again maybe not.

Wills2

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Thursday 25th August 2016
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Welshbeef said:
Maybe the older owner had pushed boost to he max and somehow BMW didn't notice replaced the engine. But the remaining drive train has been worked far harder than it was designed.


Basically we don't know. It could have been an utter tool of a driver just red lining it in neutral in traffic which we sometimes see in London when he Arabs come in super cars.

If it's the same block it might have intermittant issues so a ball ache for his ownership then again maybe not.
Yeah BMW coughed up for a new M5 engine and didn't check the DME, as I said new engine can't really be all bad news.


Welshbeef

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Thursday 25th August 2016
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Wills2 said:
Yeah BMW coughed up for a new M5 engine and didn't check the DME, as I said new engine can't really be all bad news.

It could have been a press car / or used on the track every day of its life who knows.

Surely you'd want to know why it failed what was the cause and if it's physically a new block or not. Then again £35k+ is small beer to some buyers

irish boy

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Thursday 25th August 2016
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Welshbeef said:
It could have been a press car / or used on the track every day of its life who knows.

Surely you'd want to know why it failed what was the cause and if it's physically a new block or not. Then again £35k+ is small beer to some buyers
Not a press car. He gave me the history, date first owner took delivery, date of his pdi service. Etc etc. Seems genuine enough I think.

Googie

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125 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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You should be able to negotiate a 2 year warranty would cover you off in case of any furture failure.