2008 530D - DPF warning

2008 530D - DPF warning

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Spanglepants

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1,743 posts

136 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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I meant to say they would change the glow plug controller as well but forgot what it was called biggrin.



Vee said:
My opinion . . .
If you are going to keep the car then the glow plugs and thermostats need changing anyway.
Whilst the intake manifold is off they may as well sort out any swirl flap leaks (if not previously done) and also change the glow plug controller (only an extra £90 for the part iirc).
Then have the forced regen and see if that clears it.
If it doesn't then have it cleaned.

Fox-

13,228 posts

245 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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Welshbeef said:
Well my E90 330d had it as a service item on 150k.
Because as the guy you quoted said, it was once a service item, and was removed in about 2007.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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Fox- said:
Welshbeef said:
Well my E90 330d had it as a service item on 150k.
Because as the guy you quoted said, it was once a service item, and was removed in about 2007.
Shocks springs fuel tank brake pipes brake servo DPF etc are all service items - heck the windscreen is a service item/everything is given long enough use.


If you going to crush the car at 150k miles then no it isn't a service item but say 450k miles then of course it is likely two DPFs in that duration




For those thinking about DPF delete... MOT fail but more importantly the filth it spews out is going to give pedestrians and specifically children lung diseases.

roofer

5,136 posts

210 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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Friends X5 had this issue, he's a town driver. A clogged DPF will throw a glowplug fault, but there is nothing wrong with the glowplugs. I took his for a good hiding on the motorway plugged into a Carly and kept forcing a regen. Eventually succeeded after 70 Miles ! And it's now running fine, all lights out. He's been told to give it a proper hiding at least once a week.

Andehh

7,107 posts

205 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Welshbeef said:

For those thinking about DPF delete... MOT fail but more importantly the filth it spews out is going to give pedestrians and specifically children lung diseases.
Is it though? I don't believe it is, my Octavia vRS went through at least 2 MOTs (up until 2 years ago) when I sold it without any issues.

Definitely get on a few VAG etc forums when DPF removal is fairly common and double check there. people will quickly tell you if they are failing MOT's because of it!


As for the health aspects of it, the DPF removal is not gunna end the world, certainly no quicker then the damage already being done through cow's farting & the Chinese lust for power anyway.



Spanglepants

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1,743 posts

136 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Theres one other thing thats bothering me.
He was suggesting to get the DPF delete and re map, I asked but what about the glow plug issue? He answered that if its not giving me any problems starting now it shouldn't be an issue?
My answer was so i get the remap etc done then 6 months down the road the glow plugs get worse and i get another big bill for that as well?
im a bit confused as the car drives and starts fine, albeit i feel performance is down a bit, and need to be reassured that
a) the DPF can definitely be cleared after glow plug and thermostat renewal and i won't get " It did'nt work so it has to be cleaned" - yet more money!
b) although i won't, its tempting to go for the DPF delete so it doesn't happen again in the future.

Im going on about big bills but I previously had a 525D that cost me about £3000 in repairs - including a ridiculous and frustrating episode with wrongly diagnosed glow plug failures and replacements and then with my current 530D having a £850 bill for new clutch and flywheel about 2 months ago.
I simply can't carry on throwing money at a car if its unnecessary.
Thanks for the replies so far.

helix402

7,832 posts

181 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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a) afraid no one can guarantee a forced regen will clear the dpf with the new parts. In my experience it has always worked.

cossy400

3,153 posts

183 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Terraclean is that not ment to sort these issues out?

Im sure its not £500+ either

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Spanglepants said:
Theres one other thing thats bothering me.
He was suggesting to get the DPF delete and re map, I asked but what about the glow plug issue? He answered that if its not giving me any problems starting now it shouldn't be an issue?
My answer was so i get the remap etc done then 6 months down the road the glow plugs get worse and i get another big bill for that as well?
im a bit confused as the car drives and starts fine, albeit i feel performance is down a bit, and need to be reassured that
a) the DPF can definitely be cleared after glow plug and thermostat renewal and i won't get " It did'nt work so it has to be cleaned" - yet more money!
b) although i won't, its tempting to go for the DPF delete so it doesn't happen again in the future.

Im going on about big bills but I previously had a 525D that cost me about £3000 in repairs - including a ridiculous and frustrating episode with wrongly diagnosed glow plug failures and replacements and then with my current 530D having a £850 bill for new clutch and flywheel about 2 months ago.
I simply can't carry on throwing money at a car if its unnecessary.
Thanks for the replies so far.
What you have described are good servicing items it's now good on those parts for a good time to go. If you sell it the next owner will be thanking you

Spanglepants

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1,743 posts

136 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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I agree but at this rate I'll run out of money, also previous post should have it was injector's I had a lot of issues with not the glow plugs.

Edited by Spanglepants on Friday 21st October 22:58

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Spanglepants said:
I agree but at this rate I'll run out of money, also previous post should have it was I Hector's I had a lot of issues with not the glow plugs.
But your down the path so better the devil you know.


That said I love my 535d F10 but cannot get an M5 or RS6 or E63 Bi Turbo or SL65K AMG out of my head hmmmm

4rephill

5,040 posts

177 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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Andehh said:
Welshbeef said:

For those thinking about DPF delete... MOT fail but more importantly the filth it spews out is going to give pedestrians and specifically children lung diseases.
Is it though? I don't believe it is, my Octavia vRS went through at least 2 MOTs (up until 2 years ago) when I sold it without any issues.

Definitely get on a few VAG etc forums when DPF removal is fairly common and double check there. people will quickly tell you if they are failing MOT's because of it!
It is according to this site: http://www.ukmot.com/DPF-Diesel-Particulate-Filter... :

Legal requirements and the MoT test

From February 2014 the inspection of the exhaust system carried out during the MoT test will include a check for the presence of a DPF. A missing DPF, where one was fitted when the vehicle was built, will result in an MoT failure. A vehicle might still pass the MoT visible smoke emissions test, which is primarily intended to identify vehicles that are in a very poor state of repair, whilst emitting illegal and harmful levels of fine exhaust particulate.

"It is an offence under the Road vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations (Regulation 61a(3))1 to use a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it no longer complies with the air pollutant emissions standards it was designed to meet. Removal of a DPF will almost invariably contravene these requirements, making the vehicle illegal for road use.

The potential penalties for failing to comply with Regulation 61a are fines of up to £1,000 for a car or £2,500 for a light goods vehicle."

You can find plenty of MOT stations that don't carry out MOT's correctly and pass cars that have issues that should actually be a fail, such as DPF/cat removal, cracked number plates, illegally tinted front windows etc., etc. (And a lot of owners deliberately look for them in order to keep their dodgy cars on the road still!).

To the letter of the Law - Your old Skoda should have failed it's MOT with it's DPF removed.

Andehh said:
As for the health aspects of it, the DPF removal is not gunna end the world, certainly no quicker then the damage already being done through cow's farting & the Chinese lust for power anyway.
People used to think asbestos was perfectly safe too!

Spanglepants

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1,743 posts

136 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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I should have said to be more accurate that i was offered a gutting of the DPF so its housing would still be there visually but obviously no inners.
But as i understood it , if it hasn't been brought into place already, that more stringent checks will be in the MOT to check for gutted DPFs by more emissions checks?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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Spanglepants said:
I should have said to be more accurate that i was offered a gutting of the DPF so its housing would still be there visually but obviously no inners.
But as i understood it , if it hasn't been brought into place already, that more stringent checks will be in the MOT to check for gutted DPFs by more emissions checks?
Why are you even suggesting to want to emit more pollution which causes lung cancer in children? (Just for you to save a few£)

Spanglepants

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Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Why are you suggesting i said something that i never. Read the post again, I've already said I'm not going for a DPF delete. I did nothing but repost more accurately what they had offered as an option and which i believe will be found on an MOT, the BMW specialist was saying it would not be noticed which i don't believe.



Welshbeef said:
Spanglepants said:
I should have said to be more accurate that i was offered a gutting of the DPF so its housing would still be there visually but obviously no inners.
But as i understood it , if it hasn't been brought into place already, that more stringent checks will be in the MOT to check for gutted DPFs by more emissions checks?
Why are you even suggesting to want to emit more pollution which causes lung cancer in children? (Just for you to save a few£)

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Spanglepants said:
Why are you suggesting i said something that i never. Read the post again, I've already said I'm not going for a DPF delete. I did nothing but repost more accurately what they had offered as an option and which i believe will be found on an MOT, the BMW specialist was saying it would not be noticed which i don't believe.



Welshbeef said:
Spanglepants said:
I should have said to be more accurate that i was offered a gutting of the DPF so its housing would still be there visually but obviously no inners.
But as i understood it , if it hasn't been brought into place already, that more stringent checks will be in the MOT to check for gutted DPFs by more emissions checks?
Why are you even suggesting to want to emit more pollution which causes lung cancer in children? (Just for you to save a few£)
Making it crystal clear for all other readers that it's not ok to gut a DPF for more power it's cancerous specifically for children breathing it in.

Spanglepants

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136 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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No that's not what you said. You said why am I suggesting to do something that is harmful just to save a few pounds.
Not remotely what i said or am going to do.
I've already posted car is booked in for flow plug and thermostat removal

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Spanglepants said:
Just got back from having the car diagnosed.
DPF is blocked, glow plugs all have fault codes, car not reaching temperature ( 80 c ) .
So they presented me with two options
a) DPF delete and remap but not change glow plugs - £550
b) change all glow plugs and thermostats then do re gen - £500

Part of me wants to g o with re map and delete so problem doesn't arise again, but Im not convinced car will pass MOT in future which will then give me another large bill to replace DPF etc.

I would guess having the glow plugs and thermostats changed with the re gen will as well as curing the problem reinstate any lost performance any way. He said it was down on power quite a bit mainly due to the blocked DPF.
But will a re gen definitely clean the DPF? What if its blocked more than they can tell at the moment?

Also car has 138,000 miles and does a mixture of 3-4 miles in Milton Keynes so pretty high speeds and acceleration or longish journeys and I dont particularly drive slow.

Edited by Spanglepants on Thursday 20th October 11:22
No you said there were two options presented to you ( by a garage...) one to fit the DPF. Why even post that up unless you are considering it as an option.

Spanglepants

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136 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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My last word on this as its plainly obvious im not having the censored DPF removed.
You've just quoted one of my first posts on this thread, since then me and you have replied to each other even, I agreed with you back then I wouldn't go down that route then after all that you accuse me of wanting to make the world's children sick to save £2.50.
I wasn't going to say this but another reason I mentioned the DPF removal I was seeing if anyone had read between the lines regarding the specialists advice.
I.e Telling me it was ok to go with DPF delete and remap instead of the more sensible option which I'm going for. Basically the delete and remap was being pushed but I feel I was being done over by that as I'd already been told glow plugs and thermostats were no good, how comes thats no longer an issue if I went for delete and remap. More work, more money?After this work gets done I'll probably look elsewhere to get the car looked after.
All this crap over a thread on a poxy DPF, really? It's exactly why I'm not a prolific poster on here.
Thanks to those that did help.

nickfrog

20,871 posts

216 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Welshbeef said:
No you said there were two options presented to you ( by a garage...) one to fit the DPF. Why even post that up unless you are considering it as an option.
He says he does NOT want to do that - how else do you want him to say it ?