F11 535d M-sport, Good idea?
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DuckDuck said:
I'm prepared to be amazed and give you a virtual beer if you can source me pilot super sport runflat 245 40 19 98Y
Thanks
Unfortunately Pilot Super Sport isn't offered as an RFT, but here are the non RFT UHP tyres for the F11 in correct load rating (or better):Thanks
SportContact 6:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/continental...
Pilot Super Sport:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pi...
Eagle F1 Assymetric 3:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/ea...
I can't remember the last time I saw a set in the lower load rating, it seems they don't bother for the UHP tyres.
If you really want to keep the RFT's the choice is much smaller, but Goodyear do the Eagle F1 Assymetric 3 RFT in this size with 98Y rating:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/ea...
Fox- said:
Unfortunately Pilot Super Sport isn't offered as an RFT, but here are the non RFT UHP tyres for the F11 in correct load rating (or better):
SportContact 6:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/continental...
Pilot Super Sport:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pi...
Eagle F1 Assymetric 3:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/ea...
I can't remember the last time I saw a set in the lower load rating, it seems they don't bother for the UHP tyres.
If you really want to keep the RFT's the choice is much smaller, but Goodyear do the Eagle F1 Assymetric 3 RFT in this size with 98Y rating:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/ea...
This is the very point I'm trying to make SportContact 6:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/continental...
Pilot Super Sport:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pi...
Eagle F1 Assymetric 3:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/ea...
I can't remember the last time I saw a set in the lower load rating, it seems they don't bother for the UHP tyres.
If you really want to keep the RFT's the choice is much smaller, but Goodyear do the Eagle F1 Assymetric 3 RFT in this size with 98Y rating:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/ea...
The asymmetric 3 are the ones I have on now. Very refined but I'm not sure they are that sporty but an improvement. It doesn't make any sense not to have RFT for many reasons.
apotts said:
DuckDuck,
Thank you for the fascinating insight into rear steer. I was fearful of ordering blind, mostly because I didn't like the idea of varying ratio whilst accelerating on a constant radius bend. But the understeer prevention (of course) sounds really quite good...
On AD, I am probably more happy than you because I approach the F10 from a different direction. If I go to an Indian restaurant, I would never order fish and chips. Likewise, if I want a drivers car, I would not look at a 4 door heavy saloon (or estate in your case). I'd buy a Cayman. I actually need a barge (165 mile round trip commute), and I was getting irritated by how I could only have something that did well on the motorway and fell apart like a blancmange when presented with just a slight S bend, or vice versa.
So cars like the 535d are built to be as broad a compromise in as many fields as possible. The optimistic targets being the economy of a 1.5l triple when cruising, but 300 bhp+ when needed. S Class ride on the motorway, Caterham 7 on the bends. All with 5 seats and a boot.
For me, AD is part of that clever saloon car compromise. It allows a softer-than-others ride when needed, but a better-than-others ability and feel when cornering. The car is a compromise, but such that it has the widest extremes of compromise possible. However, not wide enough to become a proper drivers car. For that, you need fewer seats, less weight, pure and direct controls (certainly not an auto in my book) and ideally no turbos and definitely no diesel.
My post was as much a comparison with the previous model as anything else. The old E61 was a brilliant driving car for what it was; a big estate that could do it all. precise, great body control, composed and stable and on passive suspension. It had a firm ride but that was ok for me. it was how it made you feel that defined it over the F11. A bit like my Cayman.Thank you for the fascinating insight into rear steer. I was fearful of ordering blind, mostly because I didn't like the idea of varying ratio whilst accelerating on a constant radius bend. But the understeer prevention (of course) sounds really quite good...
On AD, I am probably more happy than you because I approach the F10 from a different direction. If I go to an Indian restaurant, I would never order fish and chips. Likewise, if I want a drivers car, I would not look at a 4 door heavy saloon (or estate in your case). I'd buy a Cayman. I actually need a barge (165 mile round trip commute), and I was getting irritated by how I could only have something that did well on the motorway and fell apart like a blancmange when presented with just a slight S bend, or vice versa.
So cars like the 535d are built to be as broad a compromise in as many fields as possible. The optimistic targets being the economy of a 1.5l triple when cruising, but 300 bhp+ when needed. S Class ride on the motorway, Caterham 7 on the bends. All with 5 seats and a boot.
For me, AD is part of that clever saloon car compromise. It allows a softer-than-others ride when needed, but a better-than-others ability and feel when cornering. The car is a compromise, but such that it has the widest extremes of compromise possible. However, not wide enough to become a proper drivers car. For that, you need fewer seats, less weight, pure and direct controls (certainly not an auto in my book) and ideally no turbos and definitely no diesel.
I hoped that I was getting a better car in the F11 and I did to a degree but I can't love it because I don't get the same or even similar sensations of driving which is important to me.
Hope that makes sense.
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