335d F31 M Sport LCI Handling
Discussion
V10M5talbs said:
Was out on country lanes last night in the dark, really poor.
I didn't spec the headlight washers mind so am wondering if this might have something to do with it. Wer'e better in the summer but still not as good as E92 xenons, they're probably the best headlights I've ever had.
Could be down to just the weather. I have an E91 with xenons & headlight washers but the grime coming off the roads at the moment isnt even washed off by them. I cleaned them with a cloth this morning and its much better.I didn't spec the headlight washers mind so am wondering if this might have something to do with it. Wer'e better in the summer but still not as good as E92 xenons, they're probably the best headlights I've ever had.
I can imagine without any washing it can get pretty bad.
V10M5talbs said:
What's peoples your opinion of the standard LED headlights that come on the LCI F30/31 now guys? I would say decent but not as good as the xenons I had on my E92, especially the range when on full beam.
If they are poor on dipped, check their alignment - a post on bimmerpost suggests that some might not be set correctly.Thanks for that Leithen.
I've noticed they've gotten quite a bit worse in the winter so is prob down to the filthy roads at the minute and not speccing the washer jets (DOH). I don't doo much driving at night these days other than on lit streets so isn't the end of the world, will just give them a wipe when next required.
I've noticed they've gotten quite a bit worse in the winter so is prob down to the filthy roads at the minute and not speccing the washer jets (DOH). I don't doo much driving at night these days other than on lit streets so isn't the end of the world, will just give them a wipe when next required.
V10M5talbs said:
Thanks for that Leithen.
I've noticed they've gotten quite a bit worse in the winter so is prob down to the filthy roads at the minute and not speccing the washer jets (DOH). I don't doo much driving at night these days other than on lit streets so isn't the end of the world, will just give them a wipe when next required.
An old Chamois leather kept damp in a freezer bag and washed occasionally is a damn sight cheaper option and far more effective than headlamp washers! I've noticed they've gotten quite a bit worse in the winter so is prob down to the filthy roads at the minute and not speccing the washer jets (DOH). I don't doo much driving at night these days other than on lit streets so isn't the end of the world, will just give them a wipe when next required.
p1stonhead said:
Are LED different from Xenon in the way they project light?
I had assumed that washers would be a legal requirement. They are on xenons are they not?
It's dependent on output; any headlamp producing light above 2000 lumens requires a washer.I had assumed that washers would be a legal requirement. They are on xenons are they not?
LEDs and lasers don't produce this level of powerful output so do not legally require them.
Theophany said:
It's dependent on output; any headlamp producing light above 2000 lumens requires a washer.
LEDs and lasers don't produce this level of powerful output so do not legally require them.
How can BMW Laser Light have a lower light output than xenons, which is implied by this?LEDs and lasers don't produce this level of powerful output so do not legally require them.
I can imagine LEDs having a lower output, having found them to be pretty mediocre on the 3 and 1 Series, but BMW Laser Light is meant to be far brighter.
335d said:
How can BMW Laser Light have a lower light output than xenons, which is implied by this?
I can imagine LEDs having a lower output, having found them to be pretty mediocre on the 3 and 1 Series, but BMW Laser Light is meant to be far brighter.
The regulations don't apply to high beams and my understanding is laser lights are currently used only as high beams. If are used and emit more than 2000 lumens then yes, they will need washers fitted.I can imagine LEDs having a lower output, having found them to be pretty mediocre on the 3 and 1 Series, but BMW Laser Light is meant to be far brighter.
ETA: From Osram, who coincidentally supply the laser lights for the BMW i8
https://www.carlightblog.com/2013/10/22/a-clean-be...ETA2: Just re-read my original comment and you're right, I did say laser lights were less powerful and that is most likely incorrect.
Edited by Theophany on Thursday 8th December 18:33
- *NEWSFLASH***
18" V-spoke Orbit Grey Style 398 alloy wheels with mixed per £ 165.00 – these come fitted with Michelin pilot super sport tyres as standard.
V10M5talbs said:
***NEWSFLASH***
How many of you were aware that the F30 and F31 M sport can be (since launch too as far as I’m aware) specified without runflat tyres? Neither was I until a few weeks ago, this is because it is extremely poorly documented in the BMW literature. I’d imagine those of you that paid/are considering paying a pretty penny to retrofit the better non runflat tyres would be interested to know this and maybe voice your complaints/opinions to BMW customer services. I’m currently pursuing a complaint at this time.
18" V-spoke Orbit Grey Style 398 alloy wheels with mixed per £ 165.00 – these come fitted with Michelin pilot super sport tyres as standard.
That doesn't apply if you opt for the "M sport plus" package with the 19's though, does it?How many of you were aware that the F30 and F31 M sport can be (since launch too as far as I’m aware) specified without runflat tyres? Neither was I until a few weeks ago, this is because it is extremely poorly documented in the BMW literature. I’d imagine those of you that paid/are considering paying a pretty penny to retrofit the better non runflat tyres would be interested to know this and maybe voice your complaints/opinions to BMW customer services. I’m currently pursuing a complaint at this time.
18" V-spoke Orbit Grey Style 398 alloy wheels with mixed per £ 165.00 – these come fitted with Michelin pilot super sport tyres as standard.
Hi verysideways,
It appears that the M sport plus package comes with 2x 19" wheel options so no.
That's not really the point I'm getting at though, I find it unfathomably Ludacris that BMW offer an opt out of run flat tyres option yet don’t document it in their literature, it’s almost like a secret and especially considering that the high majority of us enthusiast types deem runflat tyres to be the bane of our lives. If I’d of known about this option, I’d of almost definitely specified it when I ordered my F31 335d.
It appears that the M sport plus package comes with 2x 19" wheel options so no.
That's not really the point I'm getting at though, I find it unfathomably Ludacris that BMW offer an opt out of run flat tyres option yet don’t document it in their literature, it’s almost like a secret and especially considering that the high majority of us enthusiast types deem runflat tyres to be the bane of our lives. If I’d of known about this option, I’d of almost definitely specified it when I ordered my F31 335d.
V10M5talbs said:
Docsteve and anyone else whose swapped out the runflats for MPSS, did you go for the reinforced/extra load MPSS or the standard NOT reinforced/extra load MPSS? i looked last week and they almost exactly the same price.....
I went for the XL MPSS on my F30 335d. 225/40R19 Pilot Super Sport 93YXL, 255/35R19 Pilot Super Sport 96YXL
It was a year ago so I can't remember the details of that decision, but I would have checked this out at the time.
I went for the PS4S and also went for the 93/96 load ratings - i suspect if you got the non-XL rated ones the sidewalls would be so soft you'd lose turn in.
The PS4S in the 93/96 are great. Really quiet, comfortable, and grippy. Sidewalls clearly softer than runflats but not to detriment of ride. Bumps just don't come into the cabin in the same way though.
The PS4S in the 93/96 are great. Really quiet, comfortable, and grippy. Sidewalls clearly softer than runflats but not to detriment of ride. Bumps just don't come into the cabin in the same way though.
Guys,
Quick update - After much correspondence with my local dealer and BMW customer services etc I had a new steering rack fitted under warranty about 4-5 months ago. This definitely improved handling and felt far less vague than before. Much tighter.
About a month ago, I had fitted 4x MPSS star marked XL tyres fitted - I would say i am now extremely happy with the way the car handles, defo night and day better. Works much better with the adaptive suspension too. My confidence n the car is higher than it's ever been and i drove by far the hardest I've ever driven it a couple of sundays ago.
I will never have Run Flat Tyres again.
Quick update - After much correspondence with my local dealer and BMW customer services etc I had a new steering rack fitted under warranty about 4-5 months ago. This definitely improved handling and felt far less vague than before. Much tighter.
About a month ago, I had fitted 4x MPSS star marked XL tyres fitted - I would say i am now extremely happy with the way the car handles, defo night and day better. Works much better with the adaptive suspension too. My confidence n the car is higher than it's ever been and i drove by far the hardest I've ever driven it a couple of sundays ago.
I will never have Run Flat Tyres again.
Gassing Station | BMW General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff