New G30 or late F10 M5?

New G30 or late F10 M5?

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Pioneer

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130 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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So been speaking with my local dealer about a G30 530d/540d xdrive msport. However once specced it's more than I want to outlay in one go so have looked at PCP. My own finance guy can't get close to the rate BM are offering on new cars at the mo, especially with dealer contribution factor added in. Other option is to go for a nicely specced F10 M5 (circa 2013/4) for £35k+ ish and just pay upfront. Love the new tech in the G30, borrowed a new 7 series a few months ago which gave an insight. Seen the new G30 in the metal already and does look nice imo. Looks very similar to a smaller 7 with a very similar interior. So it's a toss up between brand new tech and full dealer warranty or a late F10 M5. I have a car for weekend blasts come summer but nothing I can use on a daily basis that exhilarates. Ideally would wait until the new M5 is out but I need a 4 door saloon come Feb/Mar time. Thoughts?

bad company

18,483 posts

265 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Nice problem to have. I'm test driving a G30 next week and will chose between a 340, 540 or Audi S4. The M5 would be tempting but I need a tow bar for the bikes.

Bear in mind that the running costs for the M5 will be high. When I ran one I averaged about 20 mpg and became a regular at Kwick Fit for tyres.

Fox-

13,228 posts

245 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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It's not like the tech in a late M5 isn't good though, is it? I have a 2015 F10 and it feels thoroughly modern and up to date inside.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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One question would the daily power of a run out M5 reduce the specialness of that lovely Lambo ?

Just wondering if a 520d xdrice as the daily would maintain a huge gulf in performance.

ds666

2,605 posts

178 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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bad company said:
Nice problem to have. I'm test driving a G30 next week and will chose between a 340, 540 or Audi S4. The M5 would be tempting but I need a tow bar for the bikes.

Bear in mind that the running costs for the M5 will be high. When I ran one I averaged about 20 mpg and became a regular at Kwick Fit for tyres.
You can fit a towbar to an f10 M5 .

Welshbeef

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197 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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ds666 said:
You can fit a towbar to an f10 M5 .
Now that is proper PH

bad company

18,483 posts

265 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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ds666 said:
You can fit a towbar to an f10 M5 .
You are right sir. It had slipped my mind but I now recall that the tow bar was on option on the F10. Unfortunately it's about the only M car that will take a tow bar, it's not on the options for a new M3/4.


Pioneer

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Saturday 21st January 2017
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The main thing that is stopping me going for a M5 is that the G30 seems to be a completely different beast to the F10, not just a simple facelift like usual. Although the dealer said they weren't allowed to let me drive one yet I've had a good look around a SE and MSport. The interior is lovely, another level to the F10 and instantly makes it look dated. Simple things like the touch buttons, new displays, seats, the new HUD, etc. Sales guy told me the voice recognition is much better as is the gesture control, better than on the current 7 series. Actually reminds me of a 16MY 730ld I borrowed a few months ago. The only reason I didn't go for that is how much they hemorrhage in the first 3 years. Not bothered with gesture control but that new HUD would be nice. Keep thinking I might regret choosing tech over performance though. The Lambo is up for sale on SOR at the moment although I may end up keeping it for another summer if it doesn't sell by March. M5 performance isn't far off to be fair but sense of speed/occasion is completely different so I don't think it would take the enjoyment away if I had a M5 as a daily - plus if it sells I may not be replacing it with anything until the following summer which is another reason I may regret buying a G30 diesel over a F10 M5.

bad company

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Saturday 21st January 2017
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Pioneer said:
The main thing that is stopping me going for a M5 is that the G30 seems to be a completely different beast to the F10, not just a simple facelift like usual. Although the dealer said they weren't allowed to let me drive one yet I've had a good look around a SE and MSport. The interior is lovely, another level to the F10 and instantly makes it look dated. Simple things like the touch buttons, new displays, seats, the new HUD, etc. Sales guy told me the voice recognition is much better as is the gesture control, better than on the current 7 series. Actually reminds me of a 16MY 730ld I borrowed a few months ago. The only reason I didn't go for that is how much they hemorrhage in the first 3 years. Not bothered with gesture control but that new HUD would be nice. Keep thinking I might regret choosing tech over performance though. The Lambo is up for sale on SOR at the moment although I may end up keeping it for another summer if it doesn't sell by March. M5 performance isn't far off to be fair but sense of speed/occasion is completely different so I don't think it would take the enjoyment away if I had a M5 as a daily - plus if it sells I may not be replacing it with anything until the following summer which is another reason I may regret buying a G30 diesel over a F10 M5.
I don't understand why the dealer won't let you drive the G30? I'm taking one out next week. If I go for one it will be the 540 which is not too far behind the M5's performance.



Pioneer

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Saturday 21st January 2017
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bad company said:
I don't understand why the dealer won't let you drive the G30? I'm taking one out next week. If I go for one it will be the 540 which is not too far behind the M5's performance.
They said they're not allowed to let the public drive one until a certain date. Think it was late Jan, early Feb - can't remember. But I'm due to go into the showroom when they preview it properly. The two I saw were outside round the back, it was raining and cold plus the cars were rammed in-between other new and used cars so couldn't really see the outside from a distance. 540d is what I'd go for I think, Xdrive probably just to get the power down a bit quicker. I think the G30 550i (if and when it's available in the UK) is actually quicker than the current M5 on paper. God knows what the G30 M5 will be like.

ds666

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178 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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How can something with 340 ish bhp be similar in performance to an M5 ? to 60 mph maybe as it is 4wd ? Evo said it was dull .

Fox-

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245 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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bad company said:
I don't understand why the dealer won't let you drive the G30? I'm taking one out next week. If I go for one it will be the 540 which is not too far behind the M5's performance.
No public drives ahead of the official UK launch. Surprised you are taking one out next week?

pattyg

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226 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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It surely depends on whether you value the fluff of all the new tech v. the performance of the M5. All that new tech won't make it nearly as much fun to drive as the M5 imho.

bad company

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Saturday 21st January 2017
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pattyg said:
It surely depends on whether you value the fluff of all the new tech v. the performance of the M5. All that new tech won't make it nearly as much fun to drive as the M5 imho.
I don't disagree with your comments but there is a big difference in the running cost. I'm looking for an everyday driver doing c13,000 mpa.

bad company

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Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Some good info on F10 M5 running costs here:-

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=152...

It looks like c18mpg, expensive insurance and becoming a regular at KwikFit. Too much for me as an every day 13K mpa driver. eek

Pioneer

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Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Think I need to drive both really. Been a while since I've driven a M5 and that was a very early F10.

For budget reasons, I'd be looking for something similar to this if I go M5 but no black wheels and must have black leather because of the kids.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

Running costs aren't a huge issue, I only do about 10k a year and that's divided between several vehicles. My old 650i was cheap as chips to run compared to some I've had. I assume this can't be too much more.

Edited by Pioneer on Sunday 22 January 13:15

T16OLE

2,944 posts

190 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Of the two, personally, I'd take the G30.

It's brand new and the new tech would be tempting as would the warranty.

And he fact it would be yours from new


Pioneer

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Sunday 22nd January 2017
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T16OLE said:
Of the two, personally, I'd take the G30.

It's brand new and the new tech would be tempting as would the warranty.

And he fact it would be yours from new
This is what I'm leaning towards. If this new one wasn't being praised so much it would be an easier decision. I'll know once I've driven one no doubt. Whether I can get one before April 1st is another matter so may have to take the bullet on rfl.

T16OLE

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Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Of the two, personally, I'd take the G30.

It's brand new and the new tech would be tempting as would the warranty.

And he fact it would be yours from new


bad company

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265 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Somewhat off topic but I said before that one of the cars I'm considering is the Audi S4. I test drove one last week and liked the drive very much, the car was quick, handled well and sounded good.

Sounds crazy but I have a real problem with the interior, all nicely appointed but why no cover for the cup holders??? This makes it look unfinished imo:-

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201509/2017-...