3.0si Z4C – fast appreciating classic?
Discussion
daemon said:
mike74 said:
No, not a "fast appreciating classic" at all, just another run of the mill vaguely sporty car that chancers are trying to ramp up the price of in this credit fuelled asset price bubble.
?Probably one of the best straight six petrol engines ever made (and no longer available in N/A form new), in a RWD chassis, two seater, low slung coupe body, capable of a decent turn of speed and great run for a cross country run. Built in limited numbers too.
Hard to think as to why that makes it (a) only vaguely sporty, and (b) not likely to appreciate further?
And likewise the "credit fuelled asset price bubble"? I think the Z4 coupe is well outside the typical PCP / 3 year finance cycle, and too low value to be seeing "investers"
I'm not sure your statement could be more wrong if you tried?
mike74 said:
No, not a "fast appreciating classic" at all, just another run of the mill vaguely sporty car that chancers are trying to ramp up the price of in this credit fuelled asset price bubble.
I would agree they aren't a "fast appreciating classic", but IMHO they aren't another "run of the mill vaguely sporty car" either! I bought my first in June 2014, had the electric water pump fail in December 2015 and sold it in May 2016 for a bit more than I paid! (Well, ignoring the cost of the replacement water pump and thermostat).
Then I realised what I would be missing, so I bought another that I collected 2 days after my first one went!
So from this:-
[url]
|http://thumbsnap.com/XIj6bXoQ[/urlTo this:-
Great cars, not really dropping in value but if you want appreciation a Z4MC would be a better bet - assuming you can afford a good one in the first place OP!
hilly10 said:
Just about holding the money, but for how many were sold in the U.K in many years to come will become sought after.
They are now very cheap for what they are. Some are not in the best condition and I suspect the numbers will drop quickly. Any good ones left will continue to be sought after. To answer the thread title, no not a chance.
M3 CSL, M coupe and 1M are the only recent bmws that have future classic potential.
Whilst the z4m is a great car, regular z4s are just an overweight two seater with questionable looks and sporting pretensions - you buy them for the engines and not much else imho.
Most of the time I think these threads are just started by chancers who are hoping that prospective buyers will happen upon them and suddenly think that it's the next Clio v6.
M3 CSL, M coupe and 1M are the only recent bmws that have future classic potential.
Whilst the z4m is a great car, regular z4s are just an overweight two seater with questionable looks and sporting pretensions - you buy them for the engines and not much else imho.
Most of the time I think these threads are just started by chancers who are hoping that prospective buyers will happen upon them and suddenly think that it's the next Clio v6.
wiggy001 said:
Just checked my 3.0si Sport E86 on WBAK: £4750! Parkers reckons £7585 for a private sale in good condition. PH Classifieds start at £9000.
Really want to keep mine but also hankering for a convertible again (used to own an E36 Cabriolet). A 4 seater will also be useful at times with a child and another on the way (we do have a Passat as a sensible car though). It's only the stability of prices that is justifying me keeping it at the moment to be honest as I have a lot to lose financially if I bought something else.
I looked at Z4Cs when I was looking at new cars at the back end of last year but ultimately ended up going for an E46 330Ci. If you come to flog yours let me know as it's a colour and spec I'd look for potentially...Really want to keep mine but also hankering for a convertible again (used to own an E36 Cabriolet). A 4 seater will also be useful at times with a child and another on the way (we do have a Passat as a sensible car though). It's only the stability of prices that is justifying me keeping it at the moment to be honest as I have a lot to lose financially if I bought something else.
BaronVonVaderham said:
To answer the thread title, no not a chance.
M3 CSL, M coupe and 1M are the only recent bmws that have future classic potential.
Whilst the z4m is a great car, regular z4s are just an overweight two seater with questionable looks and sporting pretensions - you buy them for the engines and not much else imho.
Most of the time I think these threads are just started by chancers who are hoping that prospective buyers will happen upon them and suddenly think that it's the next Clio v6.
So the Baron's current garage is showing as:- M3 CSL, M coupe and 1M are the only recent bmws that have future classic potential.
Whilst the z4m is a great car, regular z4s are just an overweight two seater with questionable looks and sporting pretensions - you buy them for the engines and not much else imho.
Most of the time I think these threads are just started by chancers who are hoping that prospective buyers will happen upon them and suddenly think that it's the next Clio v6.
BMW 3 Series E91 330i Touring M Sport
Renault Clio 200
Racing Car Mini Cooper 1.3i
330i Estate - maybe the same engine as a Z4C but with added lard, or worse still the N53 with injector and HPFP issues added!
Clio 200 - the Clio V6 wannabe?
Mini Cooper 1.3i - racing car? You sure?
And if the Z4M is a great car how can regular Z4s have questionable looks? Or does the Z4M look questionable?
What a nonsense.
Ahbefive said:
Oooh, wrath of the fanboys is rising.
Than isn't how I've read this thread but having owned several in the past as well as an MC I may be biased. Time will tell.
People were asking the same question about the MC a couple of years ago and similar things were said. I don't see fast appreciation of even that model and let's not forget that when these were new, many motoring journalists said you are better not going for the M.
I suppose that was reasonable advice for a daily driver at the time.
I believe there will be few enough good coupes around that will result in some price inflation.
Ahbefive said:
Oooh, wrath of the fanboys is rising.
Its not a matter of being a fanboy. Its other people being daft frankly.We had a Z4C back in 07 for 3 years and genuinely loved it. It was with great regret we let it go. We've had Scoobys, a 370Z, a 197, a modded 172, a new model Z4, a Boxster and currently an A45 and the one we'd have back would still be the Z4C.
I would be very confident if someone bought a decent Z4C now it will maintain / rise (gradually) in value - thats happening already. Granted not "fast appreciating" but i cant think of too many cars you can say that about.
Edited by daemon on Friday 24th March 13:32
Mr Tidy said:
So the Baron's current garage is showing as:-
BMW 3 Series E91 330i Touring M Sport
Renault Clio 200
Racing Car Mini Cooper 1.3i
330i Estate - maybe the same engine as a Z4C but with added lard, or worse still the N53 with injector and HPFP issues added!
Clio 200 - the Clio V6 wannabe?
Mini Cooper 1.3i - racing car? You sure?
And if the Z4M is a great car how can regular Z4s have questionable looks? Or does the Z4M look questionable?
What a nonsense.
BMW 3 Series E91 330i Touring M Sport
Renault Clio 200
Racing Car Mini Cooper 1.3i
330i Estate - maybe the same engine as a Z4C but with added lard, or worse still the N53 with injector and HPFP issues added!
Clio 200 - the Clio V6 wannabe?
Mini Cooper 1.3i - racing car? You sure?
And if the Z4M is a great car how can regular Z4s have questionable looks? Or does the Z4M look questionable?
What a nonsense.
Mr Tidy's profile said:
Notes:
Passed an ARDS test and bought a race car, but then messed up by getting married! Have done a few banger races and quite a few track days. Always wanted the largest engine available (Escort was an RS2000, Capris were both 2.8 injections) and preferred RWD, but current wheels are a BMW Z4 Coupe and an E46 325Ti Compact as I have got over my near decade of turbo-diesels. Shame it took me so long to realise BMW means naturally-aspirated straight6! Also enjoyed bikes in my younger years.
So a racing career marked DNS and years of dreary diesels. No wonder you're so grumpy. Don't worry, soon your wife will make you swap your z4 for a Citroen Picasso and your emasculation will be complete Passed an ARDS test and bought a race car, but then messed up by getting married! Have done a few banger races and quite a few track days. Always wanted the largest engine available (Escort was an RS2000, Capris were both 2.8 injections) and preferred RWD, but current wheels are a BMW Z4 Coupe and an E46 325Ti Compact as I have got over my near decade of turbo-diesels. Shame it took me so long to realise BMW means naturally-aspirated straight6! Also enjoyed bikes in my younger years.
Guess you missed the part of my post that said it was an opinion.
As to my garage, yes my sensible family car has the same n52 engine as your 'fun' car, my Clio 200 runabout is one of of the best hot hatches ever made and whilst my race mini has less power than a gnat's fart, it's still more fun than you've ever had
Vroomer said:
Exactly!
You started this thread asking for an opinion, now are stating 'exactly' like it is fact.The only peoole that ade saying it will "slowly" rise in price are the owners, with everyone else saying no chance u til it is really old just like any other very old car. Pointless thread.
I've had one on my drive for longer than most, just passed the 10 year mark, flew through the MOT (so much for unreliable German cars)
Whilst I don't agree with the fanboys but I do think it's an interesting car and one that doesn't look much like any other BMW and for that reason it's stayed, the engine is lovely, the shape and interior are pretty timeless if you ask me.
The steering is awful (or least very strange) the ride dreadful over sharp ridges and the seats unsupportive (but look nice) however it counters with not being boring and that is always a good thing as cars get older.
I've run 3 x M3 1 x 911 and an M5 along side it in the last 10 years and it's always an event to drive the Z.
No, not a money maker as I've stated, but they are pretty quick, I had a play with one on the A10 last week in my F80, it's not a slow car.
Whilst I don't agree with the fanboys but I do think it's an interesting car and one that doesn't look much like any other BMW and for that reason it's stayed, the engine is lovely, the shape and interior are pretty timeless if you ask me.
The steering is awful (or least very strange) the ride dreadful over sharp ridges and the seats unsupportive (but look nice) however it counters with not being boring and that is always a good thing as cars get older.
I've run 3 x M3 1 x 911 and an M5 along side it in the last 10 years and it's always an event to drive the Z.
No, not a money maker as I've stated, but they are pretty quick, I had a play with one on the A10 last week in my F80, it's not a slow car.
Edited by Wills2 on Saturday 25th March 11:55
daemon said:
Ahbefive said:
Vroomer said:
Exactly!
You started this thread asking for an opinion, now are stating 'exactly' like it is fact.Vroomer said:
Mr Tidy said:
And if the Z4M is a great car how can regular Z4s have questionable looks? Or does the Z4M look questionable?
What a nonsense.
Exactly! What a nonsense.
All comments are clearly welcome other than those that say 'pointless thread'. If it's pointless, why waste your time commenting?
Gassing Station | BMW General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff