3.0si Z4C – fast appreciating classic?

[Ahbefive]

It's not just your "exactly". It's your every post in this thread pretty much criticising people that disagree.

You seem to be championing the low depreciation of a car that has depreciated by a much higher percentage than other cars built around the same time such as a focus ST or Golf GTi/R32, CTR etc etc. Compare with a 100k mile one of these which may be a grand or 2 cheaper to buy now but they were £10k cheaper to buy when new.



This thread is just dellusional.

[daemon]

Ahbefive said:

It's not just your "exactly". It's your every post in this thread pretty much criticising people that disagree.

You seem to be championing the low depreciation of a car that has depreciated by a much higher percentage than other cars built around the same time such as a focus ST or Golf GTi/R32, CTR etc etc. Compare with a 100k mile one of these which may be a grand or 2 cheaper to buy now but they were £10k cheaper to buy when new.



This thread is just dellusional.

You're just not grasping it are you?

It doesnt matter how much it has depreciated up to now, its the fact that its now appreciating

There are also quantifiable reasons WHY its appreciating - as explained in this thread.

Likewise citing an example thats been to the moon and back for a close-to-a-hot-hatch price as typical is banal - even more bemusing that you had to swipe on past examples like this to find one that "proves your point"

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/07-07-BMW-Z4-3-0-Si-SPOR...

2007, 69K miles for £12,995? Oh, and its sold now....



I'd say - from memory - a car like that from a specialist dealer with that spec, history and alloys was probably £10K last year, and were probably in the range £7,000-£10,000. Now they're in the range £10,000 to £14,000.

So perhaps a 30% rise in a year odd?

Is that not the very definition of fast appreciating?

Edited by daemon on Saturday 25th March 15:55

Edited by daemon on Saturday 25th March 15:58

[daemon]

What about a lower miles 2007 one for £14,495?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...



To put that in perspective, we had an 07 one almost identical to that, 30K miles at the time and in Dec 2009 we were getting trade in bids of £16K.....

Edited by daemon on Saturday 25th March 16:01

Edited by daemon on Saturday 25th March 16:02

[BaronVonVaderham]

Vroomer said:

My 'Exactly!' was in response to the accurate comment of Mr Tidy, where he asked how it could possibly be that the Z4C had questionable looks, while the Z4MC didn't (given they are virtually identical to look at).

All comments are clearly welcome other than those that say 'pointless thread'. If it's pointless, why waste your time commenting?

I said the z4mc was a good car, not a good looking car! *

Also, do not confuse used car dealer sticker prices with actual value.

• my subjective opinion - others may vary.

[Ahbefive]

daemon said:

stuff about really late model, really low mileage ones z4s

And likewise a low mileage late Focus ST, R32 or Golf ed30 of the same era is around £10k if not more. Heres a sold R32 for £14k and its not a silly low mileage like you are posting, its a 2007 with 55k miles.

An alfa 147 GTA or Focus RS from 2004 are even £12k or so. Pretty much anything that is sporty, sought after and low mileage from 2003- 2008ish is commanding good money, the Z4 has depreciated more than most and I'm not seeing it doing any better than the cars listed. As I said previously, wait and see. The Z4M Coupe will be the one to rocket.

Edited by Ahbefive on Saturday 25th March 18:10

[daemon]

Ahbefive said:

daemon said:

stuff about really late model, really low mileage ones z4s

And likewise a low mileage late Focus ST, R32 or Golf ed30 of the same era is around £10k if not more. Heres a sold R32 for £14k and its not a silly low mileage like you are posting, its a 2007 with 55k miles.

Uh huh.

And whats your point? Where did any of us say that ONLY Z4 coupes were appreciating in value??



And also, 07 ISNT late model, they made them to 08. And i was talking about 60-70K miles examples now being north of £10K, NOT really late model really low mileage ones.

I really dont get your beef with them. They ARE appreciating in value. "fast"? Subjectively maybe not, but they ARE appreciating in value and for quantifiable reasons which suggests that WILL continue.

Edited by daemon on Saturday 25th March 19:41

[daemon]

Ahbefive said:

The Z4M Coupe will be the one to rocket.

And well done with that "prediction". That ship has long since sailed....

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

Edited by daemon on Saturday 25th March 19:52

[daemon]

Ahbefive said:

As I said previously, wait and see.

You said previously they would continue to drop in value over the next 5 years.

Thats your "wait and see" prediction then is it?

Want to quantify that then? Will a car thats say, 2007, Si Sport, < 70K miles, FSH be worth... what? £5K in five years time according to you?

[Ahbefive]

A performance car with under 70k miles? No, just like neither will the Focus ST R32 etc. A high miler, yes. You seem to be obsessed with showing the price of cars with less than half the average mileage on them, they should be on around 130k miles by now if they were near average mileage and they woyld be pricea accordingly.

[Ahbefive]

daemon said:

Ahbefive said:

As I said previously, wait and see.

You said previously they would continue to drop in value over the next 5 years.

Thats your "wait and see" prediction then is it?

Want to quantify that then? Will a car thats say, 2007, Si Sport, < 70K miles, FSH be worth... what? £5K in five years time according to you?

Like I said, if you showed cars with a normal average mileage the are doing bo better than any other performance car.

Read my previous post where I said "wait and see" I'm not here to point it out for you.

[Ahbefive]

daemon said:

Ahbefive said:

The Z4M Coupe will be the one to rocket.

And well done with that "prediction". That ship has long since sailed....

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

No it hasn't, they can still be had for £17k but will rocket up to double that at some point even with a more sensible used mileage. Yet again you are showing a car that is 12 years old but with just 2 years mileage and using that extreme example as your normal example.

Edited by Ahbefive on Sunday 26th March 08:52

[daemon]

Ahbefive said:

daemon said:

Ahbefive said:

The Z4M Coupe will be the one to rocket.

And well done with that "prediction". That ship has long since sailed....

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

No it hasn't, they can still be had for £17k but will rocket up to double that at some point even with a more sensible used mileage. Yet again you are showing a car that is 12 years old but with just 2 years mileage and using that extreme example as your normal example.

Edited by Ahbefive on Sunday 26th March 08:52

Anything that hasnt been to the moon and back and has a full BMW or documented history is now £20K+ ish.

I'm going to leave this thread now - clearly you're very blinkered against the Z4C. If i remember i'll dig out this thread in a couple of years time and we'll see which way prices are going.

Your last comment was they were going to drop further over the next five years (which would buck the UPWARD trend already happening) but lets wait an see.

As a marker, and for the following parameters - sub 70K, fully documented history (main dealer or otherwise), checking both Autotrader and Pistonheads, the cheapest respective cars are as follows :-

=> The cheapest Z4M with a private advert for an Imola red car with 67K miles for £19,000.
=> The cheapest Z4M with a trade advert is a black car, red leather with 54K miles and a full Sytner history (but being sold by an indy now) is £23,950

=> The cheapest Z4C Si Sport with a private advert is a silver car with a full BMW SH and 67K miles for £9750
=> The cheapest from a trader is a montego blue car with 69K miles and a full history is £8995.

Edited by daemon on Sunday 26th March 10:44

[Ahbefive]

Indeed, wait and see. Imo it is doing no better than other well reviewed performance cars from the same era, no blinkers just obvious to anyone by looking at the similar pricings of other performance cars. Put loads of miles on them and they will drop like anything else, keep the mileage off and don't use it and it will eventually slowly rise just like anything else would too. The Z4C is not a special case.

[daemon]

Ahbefive said:

Indeed, wait and see. Imo it is doing no better than other well reviewed performance cars from the same era, no blinkers just obvious to anyone by looking at the similar pricings of other performance cars. Put loads of miles on them and they will drop like anything else, keep the mileage off and don't use it and it will eventually slowly rise just like anything else would too. The Z4C is not a special case.

No one said the Z4C is a special case - other cars are rising too. Particularly as you've commented stuff like R32s, obviously RS's, etc. Something "a bit different".

Pile the miles on any car and you remove a lot of the "classic" value. I would comfortable say if i went out today and bought a mint E46 M3 with sensible miles on it and a documented history, did 24,000 miles on it the next two years, got it washed by your local eastern europeans and got it serviced by Halfords then you're probably going to get an awful lot less back when you sell it.

I definitely dont think your original assessment that they will "continue to drop over the next five years" is anywhere near right.

[Ahbefive]

Mileage plays a huge factor.

[daemon]

Ahbefive said:

Mileage plays a huge factor.

Agreed.

[Mr Tidy]

BaronVonVaderham said:

So a racing career marked DNS and years of dreary diesels. No wonder you're so grumpy. Don't worry, soon your wife will make you swap your z4 for a Citroen Picasso and your emasculation will be complete

Guess you missed the part of my post that said it was an opinion.

As to my garage, yes my sensible family car has the same n52 engine as your 'fun' car, my Clio 200 runabout is one of of the best hot hatches ever made and whilst my race mini has less power than a gnat's fart, it's still more fun than you've ever had

Sorry but I couldn't leave this!

Surely everything posted on here is an opinion, so why do you need to highlight "the part of my post that said it was an opinion"?

And IN MY OPINION your Clio may suit you, but (IMHO) my E46 325ti runabout is way more fun for me than any FWD 4-pot as it has a straight 6 and RWD! But maybe we can agree to differ (assuming an opinion is still permitted)!

As for your Mini with less power than a gnat's fart, that may well be fun (for you at least) but how do you know it is more fun than I have ever had? Unless of course you are expressing an opinion, but you didn't say so did you?

And frankly while I can see the appeal, in my opinion I have definitely had more fun than that!

But this being a free world (ish, and for now), you are welcome to your own opinion - but no more welcome to it than I am to mine.

[BaronVonVaderham]

Mr Tidy said:

Sorry but I couldn't leave this!

Surely everything posted on here is an opinion, so why do you need to highlight "the part of my post that said it was an opinion"?

And IN MY OPINION your Clio may suit you, but (IMHO) my E46 325ti runabout is way more fun for me than any FWD 4-pot as it has a straight 6 and RWD! But maybe we can agree to differ (assuming an opinion is still permitted)!

As for your Mini with less power than a gnat's fart, that may well be fun (for you at least) but how do you know it is more fun than I have ever had? Unless of course you are expressing an opinion, but you didn't say so did you?

And frankly while I can see the appeal, in my opinion I have definitely had more fun than that!

But this being a free world (ish, and for now), you are welcome to your own opinion - but no more welcome to it than I am to mine.

Well my first opinionated post seemed to rile you to the point of posting up and critiquing my garage, the contents of which is utterly irrelevant to the discussion here.

You z4 lot are very strange indeed.

[Mr Tidy]

BaronVonVaderham said:

Well my first opinionated post seemed to rile you to the point of posting up and critiquing my garage, the contents of which is utterly irrelevant to the discussion here.

Why shouldn't I critique your garage - you had already been to the trouble of critiquing my profile, which is surely no more or less relevant to the discussion here than garage contents!

Or perhaps you would like to explain the distinction?!

[BaronVonVaderham]

Mr Tidy said:

Why shouldn't I critique your garage - you had already been to the trouble of critiquing my profile, which is surely no more or less relevant to the discussion here than garage contents!

Or perhaps you would like to explain the distinction?!

I made a general comment about z4s, you then posted up and attempted to critique my garage. I then decided to do the same to you.

So to use the parlance of children: you started it :P