IHT planning: big Life Ins policy ?

IHT planning: big Life Ins policy ?

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big ant

Original Poster:

305 posts

172 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Just wondering if anyone has bought a Policy that pays upon death, and thus cancels out IHT bill ?

Feasible ?

Getting bogged down with 'advisers' opinions, when just want a simple future after working so hard, yet don't really want the tax man to waste it and have the last laugh !

Thanks.

ellroy

7,030 posts

225 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Plenty do, place the policy proceeds in trust to effectively pay the bill.

Can actually be quite an attractive option if you are income heavy. Not unusual to see you need to live to 130ish before you've effectively start to not get your money back.

big ant

Original Poster:

305 posts

172 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Thank you. Tried an online quote with Aviva - 54 years old, £2m insurance, £400 monthly premium.....which if I add up 20 years x 12 x £400 = £100k....

Seems like a bargain.

What am I missing ??

No need to get tied up in unnecessary early Gifts, etc...and for £5k / year, problem is mostly handled.

BA

ellroy

7,030 posts

225 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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You need a Whole of Life to definitely sort IHT, make sure you look at guaranteed premiums rather than those with investment content, they tend to go up a lot later.

They look cheap typically because many people buy them and then cancel them early. They effectively cross subsidise those who keep the policy for life.

big ant

Original Poster:

305 posts

172 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Thanks again. Whole of Life - ok will try to check that, but guessed if I hadn't gone by 75, I sure hope I'd sorted my gifting and spending by then ;-).

Still seems too cheap, for an event that is sure to happen.

ellroy

7,030 posts

225 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Statistically not likely to happen, assuming your healthy, before 75.

I think the average age for a man in the U.K. Is now mid 80s.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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big ant said:
Thanks again. Whole of Life - ok will try to check that, but guessed if I hadn't gone by 75, I sure hope I'd sorted my gifting and spending by then ;-).

Still seems too cheap, for an event that is sure to happen.
Circa 80% of healthy, underwritten 54 year olds will survive until age 74.

ukshooter

501 posts

212 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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A decent guaranteed whole of life contract for a 55 year old single life is circa £13-14,000 per annum per million of cover, joint life just over £9k per annum. Reviewable policies are where it gets really cheap, less than £1k per annum per million joint life.

Reviewable plans are guaranteed for the first 10 years then expect premiums to ramp up! Then reviewed every 5 years.

big ant

Original Poster:

305 posts

172 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Good stuff, allowing a relatively simple solution compared to Trusts, excessive gifting etc...

Any recommended companies - 2 or 3 ? I just checked Aviva as have house and cars with them !

BA

ukshooter

501 posts

212 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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With Whole of Life you cant always just go for a comparison site choice. Suggest you speak to someone that is authorised to advise on whole of market life assurance.

There are a few of us on here that can help.

Ginge R

4,761 posts

219 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Ant,

Make sure it's written in trust (as previously said), and there are a few products out there which can help you more, depending on your circumstances. Old Mutual has a good one, for instance. Also, will you be gifting anything in the meantime at all? You might like to fuse a Gift Inter Vivos policy into things, that could save you quite a bit. Are you married? When you die, will the problem still be there, but on your partner's shoulders?

Don't forget that from next month, your primary home may be added to your estate, in the event you leave it to a close, bloodline relative. If you're married or have a civil partner, that will extend your nil rate band exemption over the course of the next few years, to £1,000,000. You may also chip away at your IHT liability by bequeathing to charities of political parties.

Finally, make sure your will is cast iron. 👍

big ant

Original Poster:

305 posts

172 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Hi Ginge R,

Thanks for those thoughts. Briefly, divorced / single, gifting started with 1m, but whilst some way to go, age 54 I can see there will soon be a moment when desire to retain control of companies and assets exceeds desire to gift ! Hence, the WL Ins looks very interesting...will look at the GIV too, thx. UK Ltd Co holding group, still growing, so need to buy c2m insurance cover and maybe re-assess every 5 years based on Net Wealth....so could top-up policies later.

House....would fit just under the 1m limit, but only a live in girlfriend for now, and after bruising divorce, not sure if or when I'll get comfortable with that idea....

Wills - recently sorted thru Solicitors.

Ins Policy written in Trust, yep, read that, thanks.

Was thinking, if can spend 400-500 / month, and buy even 20 years protection, gives me time to continue building the business, yet at the same time, edge up the Gifts, and see where I am in 10-15 years from now. The Whole Life also makes a lot of sense, as can just ignore a large IHT %....

OK, as usual, PH sets a roadmap, now to dig a little or get some professional help.

Cheers. BA

ukshooter

501 posts

212 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Don't forget BPR exemptions and better use of DIS benefits you may have or could have if you have control of the business.

Seems to me you ought to have a chat with someone that can advise across the full spectrum.

Ginge R

4,761 posts

219 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Ant,

There's a lot going on there! Don't forget, if you have a Ltd company, that may/should be able to pay the premiums.