Discussion
Andrew D said:
In what circumstances can this lump of lard see off a superbike with the push of a button - 0-60 in 4.6 seconds! Bike would be out of sight on the straights and a car that size could never overtake on the bend of a public highway.
It's the other way around actually. The higher the speed the more a car (ANY car) will be humilliated.
Nowadays 1liter superbikes do 100-160 MPH in around 4 seconds. (or less)
I wish car journo's would stop using these ridiculous superbike comparisons. The only thing it proves is that you've never driven one...
ninjaboy said:
Glad someone said this too, i was thinking about how it would deal with a EVO or WRX STI not too well i would imagine
Priceless....I'm not sure which made me laugh more....this comment or the guy from Switzerland (land of Rinspeed) calling it ugly
As to the bike thing, a tad optimistic against most well ridden superbikes, but the 600 would probably be in for a surprise.
On paper the M6 is slower than my Noble, but in reality I'm not so sure, it's that bloody fast! Still what do i know.....
Its a good car there's no doubt about it but its the usual we expect from BMW/Merc/Audi loads of power and loads of weight. I'm not sure whats funny about saying a 1400kg car with 4wd and 300bhp would give it a good run. The engine is impressive though i will admit that but i find it hard to be impressed with it it almost looks like a rebodied CL600/CL55
ninjaboy said:Name such a car. The 4wd bit of your spec is irrelevant, just a device to fix a car's inadequacies.
Its a good car there's no doubt about it but its the usual we expect from BMW/Merc/Audi loads of power and loads of weight. I'm not sure whats funny about saying a 1400kg car with 4wd and 300bhp would give it a good run. The engine is impressive though i will admit that but i find it hard to be impressed with it it almost looks like a rebodied CL600/CL55
ninjaboy said:
There are plenty of middle weight sportscars with superior acceleration below 60mph and similar to 100mph.
Glad someone said this too, i was thinking about how it would deal with a EVO or WRX STI not too well i would imagine
At two of the more recent V-Max Bruntingthorpe events, I have observed the real world accelerative effects of this latter day 507bhp'd (and more modest) M-power against such cars and more traditional, uber V-Max fare.
Initially, in an E60 M5, four up, we kept nose-to-nose with an X50 996tt right to the first bend (about 140mph), round it and then up the straight where at a similar speed, the KKs came out to play and frankly, they invariably previal (SL65 AMGs excepted!)
At the last event, Nastywej's M6 was proving every bit as problematic for a whole plethora of Modenese metal.
An EVO IX FQ340 was eaten alive by an M3 CSL...
Frankly, even in my pensionable E39 variant, I have found remarkable medium-high speed grunt at hand, crushingly so, in 5th: EVOs? Challenging to about 130. Ferrari 550 Maranello? Could just about live with one and whilst it is indeed preposterous to make comparisons with bikes, it's surprising how, when deep into (what would in the UK be) banning speeds, the psychology of self preservation oft sees a biker back off if the reddened mist is descended sufficiently.
I recently drove a 10,000 mile E60 M5 and it was the most complete performance road car I have encountered.
Only the new 997 Turbo will, obviously, cause it to yield, utterly.
billywiz said:
This car is many things to many people. It may not out corner or accelerate hard core road cars, but there is a lot those cars cannot do the M6 does. For example it can take you somewhere in style, put enough luggage in it for 3 weeks and allow you to still bring back wine, you can take 4 people when you want
Well, I'm off to Italy for 2.5 weeks in the morning, with the girlfriend and her luggage, and plan on bringing back some wine. I can't do the 4 people bit though!
Dr S said:
I'm sure it's capable but primarily this car is just plain ugly . The only benefit of driving one is that there is one less you need to look at from from the outside...
In photos it does look ugly, but numerous 6 series (not M6) pass the office each day and it's growing on me. An M5 went past as I was walking along Cheapside today, giving it more than the usual amount of wellie for such a road, and it did actually sound pretty good. And I never thought I'd say a BMW sounded good. If I was in my 40s I might even venture into a showroom.. but that's a way off yet
ninjaboy said:
Its a good car there's no doubt about it but its the usual we expect from BMW/Merc/Audi loads of power and loads of weight. I'm not sure whats funny about saying a 1400kg car with 4wd and 300bhp would give it a good run. The engine is impressive though i will admit that but i find it hard to be impressed with it it almost looks like a rebodied CL600/CL55
We all know what it is really......a re-bodied M5 with a few cm's chopped out the middle. Pretty much along the same lines as the Merc S-class/CL-class
I still don't get why the M6 exists when there is the M5. Actually, make that why the 6-series exists when there's the 5.
If you want a grand tourer that checks all the boxes listed in the article and really can carry four people, go for a 5. If you want something sportier, buy something lighter and more focussed (than the M6).
However, for giving us 500hp on the second hand market in 10 years for 10k, I salute our new Bavarian masters.
If you want a grand tourer that checks all the boxes listed in the article and really can carry four people, go for a 5. If you want something sportier, buy something lighter and more focussed (than the M6).
However, for giving us 500hp on the second hand market in 10 years for 10k, I salute our new Bavarian masters.
Andrew D said:
Anyone know anything about the CSL version?
Plus it's intrinsically a bit heavy, so CSL(ightweight) might be a bit of a misnoma.
I really doubt that there will be a CSL version of the M6. If there is then I will feel that BMW have lost their focus.
I have it on good authority that BMW are planning 'several' new CSL versions within their range, but fundamentally they need to start with a reasonably compact car and then make it lighter. The M6 at nearly 5 meters long is not the right place to start. The future M3 at 4.5 meters (same as the 911) will have a CSL version as may the 2-series (at around 4.2 meters) provide a CSL vesion.
The M6 should remain as an alternative to Aston's DB9, Ferrari's 612 and Merc's AMG SL range. That's where it offers the most appropriate challenge.
munky said:probably, but by how much rather depends on whether you believe TVR's figures.
Lots of BHP, but then there is 1710kgs of it
My thought precisely...
all current TVRs?i think
>> Edited by Zod on Wednesday 17th May 12:56
DoctorD said:I agree. Autocar was even stupid enough to suggest an M5 CSL. Next they'll be predicting an M5 Touring CSL
Anyone know anything about the CSL version?
Plus it's intrinsically a bit heavy, so CSL(ightweight) might be a bit of a misnoma.
I really doubt that there will be a CSL version of the M6. If there is then I will feel that BMW have lost their focus.
I have it on good authority that BMW are planning 'several' new CSL versions within their range, but fundamentally they need to start with a reasonably compact car and then make it lighter. The M6 at nearly 5 meters long is not the right place to start. The future M3 at 4.5 meters (same as the 911) will have a CSL version as may the 2-series (at around 4.2 meters) provide a CSL vesion.
They just want CSL to be like an Audi "RS" badge and seem tho think it means +10% bhp, which misunderstands that RS is an attempt to match M and CSL is a specialist derivative, not a more powerful, faster version. The M6 is, as DoctorD says, just too big to be produced as a CSL.
munky said:
I'm sure it's capable but primarily this car is just plain ugly
In photos it does look ugly, but numerous 6 series (not M6) pass the office each day and it's growing on me. An M5 went past as I was walking along Cheapside today, giving it more than the usual amount of wellie for such a road, and it did actually sound pretty good. And I never thought I'd say a BMW sounded good. If I was in my 40s I might even venture into a showroom.. but that's a way off yet
I could live with a five series. In BMW's current line up I like its looks best (excluding the upcoming Z4 coupe where IMHO the design also works out). The six, however, is an attempt to Bangle a 911 shape by adding weired creases and a backpack. Well, I prefer to carry the pick-nick hamper in my boot...
Andrew D said:
In what circumstances can this lump of lard see off a superbike with the push of a button - 0-60 in 4.6 seconds! Bike would be out of sight on the straights and a car that size could never overtake on the bend of a public highway.
er, I dont think so
BMW M6: 507bhp, 1710kg = 296bhp/tonne
Kawasaki ZX12R: 180bhp, 210kg = 857bhp/tonne
Kawasaki ZX14R: 195bhp, 215kg = 906bhp/tonne
No contest, M6 goes backwards in this company
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