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Hehe....
Sorry boys....I'm around to stay although I tend not to hang around in the BMW threads too long.
Nice to see Hunttherunt's back in the game along with some other Jap car owner.
But listen zoggy boy. I concede you have a point.
You say of me..."Referring to the "Nuremberg Ring" tells us everything we need to know about your lack of enthusiast credentials."
Yes I admit it, I am not a totally committed enthusiast. I have never been around the Nuremburg? Ring or, come to think of it, that other Ring that you're so proud to spell correctly.
You see, tommorrow at 6.15 am, I'll be taking one of my three bikes (total capacity 2,600cc - average being 866 cc each) and leaving my five cars (total capacity 18,250cc -average being 3,640cc each (including a 600cc Smart car)) and riding off to the Isle of Mann TT where on Mad Sunday I will be screaming around mountain section of the course utilising to full effect the unrestricted speed limits.
But so what?
Again, you're right.
At the beginning of July, I'll be down at the Classic Le Mans where I have a friend who is racing two cars and I will be with another bunch of mates (yes, unbelievable isn’t it?) on bikes having a whale of a time.
Again, so what?
Yes zog, you still have a point.
Why?
Well, I have literally just returned from watching Cosi.. at Glyndebourne and apart from opera, my other hobbies include cricket, rugby, golf, skiing (got back from Aspen end of February), playing acoustic guitar, playing the piano, politics, political philosophy, bird watching (my weekend house in the country is in an area of outstanding natural beauty), fine art, running, rowing, Shakespeare, poetry and lastly, taking the piss out of fools.
So as you can see zog, my interests are eclectic........ whereas yours is clearly anal.
Look forward to your bleatings on my return on Wednesday.
In the meantime, enjoy your Bob Marley.
Sorry boys....I'm around to stay although I tend not to hang around in the BMW threads too long.
Nice to see Hunttherunt's back in the game along with some other Jap car owner.
But listen zoggy boy. I concede you have a point.
You say of me..."Referring to the "Nuremberg Ring" tells us everything we need to know about your lack of enthusiast credentials."
Yes I admit it, I am not a totally committed enthusiast. I have never been around the Nuremburg? Ring or, come to think of it, that other Ring that you're so proud to spell correctly.
You see, tommorrow at 6.15 am, I'll be taking one of my three bikes (total capacity 2,600cc - average being 866 cc each) and leaving my five cars (total capacity 18,250cc -average being 3,640cc each (including a 600cc Smart car)) and riding off to the Isle of Mann TT where on Mad Sunday I will be screaming around mountain section of the course utilising to full effect the unrestricted speed limits.
But so what?
Again, you're right.
At the beginning of July, I'll be down at the Classic Le Mans where I have a friend who is racing two cars and I will be with another bunch of mates (yes, unbelievable isn’t it?) on bikes having a whale of a time.
Again, so what?
Yes zog, you still have a point.
Why?
Well, I have literally just returned from watching Cosi.. at Glyndebourne and apart from opera, my other hobbies include cricket, rugby, golf, skiing (got back from Aspen end of February), playing acoustic guitar, playing the piano, politics, political philosophy, bird watching (my weekend house in the country is in an area of outstanding natural beauty), fine art, running, rowing, Shakespeare, poetry and lastly, taking the piss out of fools.
So as you can see zog, my interests are eclectic........ whereas yours is clearly anal.
Look forward to your bleatings on my return on Wednesday.
In the meantime, enjoy your Bob Marley.
justin hill said:What's so wrong with Bob Marley?
Hehe....
Sorry boys....I'm around to stay although I tend not to hang around in the BMW threads too long.
Nice to see Hunttherunt's back in the game along with some other Jap car owner.
But listen zoggy boy. I concede you have a point.
You say of me..."Referring to the "Nuremberg Ring" tells us everything we need to know about your lack of enthusiast credentials."
Yes I admit it, I am not a totally committed enthusiast. I have never been around the Nuremburg? Ring or, come to think of it, that other Ring that you're so proud to spell correctly.
You see, tommorrow at 6.15 am, I'll be taking one of my three bikes (total capacity 2,600cc - average being 866 cc each) and leaving my five cars (total capacity 18,250cc -average being 3,640cc each (including a 600cc Smart car)) and riding off to the Isle of Mann TT where on Mad Sunday I will be screaming around mountain section of the course utilising to full effect the unrestricted speed limits.
But so what?
Again, you're right.
At the beginning of July, I'll be down at the Classic Le Mans where I have a friend who is racing two cars and I will be with another bunch of mates (yes, unbelievable isn’t it?) on bikes having a whale of a time.
Again, so what?
Yes zog, you still have a point.
Why?
Well, I have literally just returned from watching Cosi.. at Glyndebourne and apart from opera, my other hobbies include cricket, rugby, golf, skiing (got back from Aspen end of February), playing acoustic guitar, playing the piano, politics, political philosophy, bird watching (my weekend house in the country is in an area of outstanding natural beauty), fine art, running, rowing, Shakespeare, poetry and lastly, taking the piss out of fools.
So as you can see zog, my interests are eclectic........ whereas yours is clearly anal.
Look forward to your bleatings on my return on Wednesday.
In the meantime, enjoy your Bob Marley.
Your post is definitely in the top ten most unintentionally amusing posts I have ever read on Pistonheads. Thanks for the entertainment.
justin hill said:
Hehe....
You see, tommorrow at 6.15 am, I'll be taking one of my three bikes (total capacity 2,600cc - average being 866 cc each) and leaving my five cars (total capacity 18,250cc -average being 3,640cc each (including a 600cc Smart car)) and riding off to the Isle of Mann TT where on Mad Sunday I will be screaming around mountain section of the course utilising to full effect the unrestricted speed limits.
But so what?
Again, you're right.
At the beginning of July, I'll be down at the Classic Le Mans where I have a friend who is racing two cars and I will be with another bunch of mates (yes, unbelievable isn’t it?) on bikes having a whale of a time.
Again, so what?
Yes zog, you still have a point.
Why?
Well, I have literally just returned from watching Cosi.. at Glyndebourne and apart from opera, my other hobbies include cricket, rugby, golf, skiing (got back from Aspen end of February), playing acoustic guitar, playing the piano, politics, political philosophy, bird watching (my weekend house in the country is in an area of outstanding natural beauty), fine art, running, rowing, Shakespeare, poetry and lastly, taking the piss out of fools.
So as you can see zog, my interests are eclectic........ whereas yours is clearly anal.
Look forward to your bleatings on my return on Wednesday.
In the meantime, enjoy your Bob Marley.
I think that post deserves to be used as a warning to new members...... posts to avoid No.1 "How to make yourself sound like a complete w*nker" by Justin Hill.
Also, you seem to have left out of your interests and hobbies....bungalows and orange old Bentleys. Total capacity 18000 cc, total worth about £4.50!!!
I'm not sure which is bigger your mouth or your ego. Still if you should fall off your bike on Mad Sunday lets hope you fall on your mouth or backside.....as those seem interchangable!
Peasant!
Remind me never to upset you and stop feeding the bl*ody troll.
Haha, I've only just read the last three pages of this thread, gave me a jolly good laugh! Is that Just-in guy for real?
16000cc's eh? Pass the Kleenex! There's a scrap merchant down the road from me who's got 2,000,000cc's of cars in his garden, although he likes to call it his "Scrap Yard". He must be all-knowing about cars and the best person in history!
16000cc's eh? Pass the Kleenex! There's a scrap merchant down the road from me who's got 2,000,000cc's of cars in his garden, although he likes to call it his "Scrap Yard". He must be all-knowing about cars and the best person in history!
I didn't intend to write this much, but..
What's faster, a car or a bike.. who cares? It seems a pointless argument, they do different things and often for different people - this website aside, most fast car fans don't give 2 hoots about bikes, and many bikers only have mundane cars for shopping, kids and the like. I'm sure bikes are great fun, but having just spent 2 1/2 weeks and 2,700 miles driving to and around Italy with a 7 month pregnant girfriend and luggage for 2 (with space to squeeze in 6 bottles of super tuscans and some food on the way back, and some space left over), I can't really imagine doing that on a bike! Which is faster? To me, common sense says that a bike will be faster accelerating but on corners 4 pieces of rubber are better than 2, but then with more weight the more inertia you'll be carrying into the corner.. but the skill/bravado/idiocy of the rider/driver is probably a far bigger factor than any of this.
Likewise, sports cars vs autobahn cruisers. Which is faster, a 507bhp M5/6 or a TVR/Noble/Marcos/Elise/Atom/Caterham.. for that matter)? It will depend on the road and conditions and again skill/bravado/idiocy but they have different purposes. I know which is more fun in the sunny countryside of Tuscany with the roof off, and on dry twisty roads surely low absolute weight, unsprung weight and centre of gravity matters more than power/weight ratio for cornering fun, especially knowing it's just you driving the car unassisted by computers, with added points knowing you're in something unusual, hand made, in England, which provokes curiosity (especially in Italy) and starts conversations with people you'd never otherwise have reason to talk to. On the other hand, on a wet and relatively twisty autostrada from Innsbruck to Trento, my confidence and forward vision (rather than adhesion) ran out at 120mph (not to mention the aforementioned girlfriend getting nervy) and I pulled in to let the previously tailgating BMW 3-something diesel estate breeze past! And on a twisty uphill road I was kept up with, of all things, by a chrysler MPV thing (voyager?) so is it faster than a TVR? Or did he know the road better, or was he simply a nutter, or was it that I had 2 people and a full luggage complement, or was it that he was on a 20 minute jaunt up the road rather than a 5 hour journey which would get rather tiring and dangerous on the limit the whole time.
So on the dry sunny twisty roads, surely no-one can dispute that the raw, visceral driving that an open top, light car with a big engine provides is the most fun you can have (bikers can disagree, but personally I wouldn't want to be clad in leather and a skid lid missing out on the tan). However on the sodden autobahn from Ludwigshafen to Austria (stopped raining at the border, oddly) with only 2 lanes and cars pulling out doing 60, give me the BMW with the power AND the ABS. Driving from Modena over the mountains towards Lucca was great fun... until it got dark and started raining near Pisa and the road signs became non-existent.. what I would have given for satnav rather than getting wet with a torch and map! An autobox would have been useful for the 3 major traffic jams on the autobahn, and finally aircon would have been quite welcome sitting in the same spot for an hour on an autostrada under the relentless Tuscan sun. It's fine when you're moving...
But you can't simply swap cars as the conditions change if you're not at home, so you pick one based on what driving you normally do, whether you're someone to pick the safe or the "to hell with it" options in life, and whether you're prepared to trade raw fun for safety, convenience and sometimes comfort (or the other way, prepared to get lost, sunburnt, wet (because you have to take out all your luggage to put the roof up so it isn't worth the bother), and test your reactions & cadence braking 20% of the time in return for more fun the other 80%).
Anyone can say "my bike/car is faster than XYZ because I left them behind / they tried to leave me behind and couldn't" but such comparisons are only possible if the driver is the same. I tell you what, having 2 people dependent on you and your income does tend to reduce your risk taking (and hence, sometimes, speed) somewhat. And I can do without ABS, airbags and TC on the "fun" car but I rather think the next one will at least have a roll bar.
PS Near Frankfurt the other day I was taken to a bar with a rifle range (not air rifles either). So not everything german is boring!
What's faster, a car or a bike.. who cares? It seems a pointless argument, they do different things and often for different people - this website aside, most fast car fans don't give 2 hoots about bikes, and many bikers only have mundane cars for shopping, kids and the like. I'm sure bikes are great fun, but having just spent 2 1/2 weeks and 2,700 miles driving to and around Italy with a 7 month pregnant girfriend and luggage for 2 (with space to squeeze in 6 bottles of super tuscans and some food on the way back, and some space left over), I can't really imagine doing that on a bike! Which is faster? To me, common sense says that a bike will be faster accelerating but on corners 4 pieces of rubber are better than 2, but then with more weight the more inertia you'll be carrying into the corner.. but the skill/bravado/idiocy of the rider/driver is probably a far bigger factor than any of this.
Likewise, sports cars vs autobahn cruisers. Which is faster, a 507bhp M5/6 or a TVR/Noble/Marcos/Elise/Atom/Caterham.. for that matter)? It will depend on the road and conditions and again skill/bravado/idiocy but they have different purposes. I know which is more fun in the sunny countryside of Tuscany with the roof off, and on dry twisty roads surely low absolute weight, unsprung weight and centre of gravity matters more than power/weight ratio for cornering fun, especially knowing it's just you driving the car unassisted by computers, with added points knowing you're in something unusual, hand made, in England, which provokes curiosity (especially in Italy) and starts conversations with people you'd never otherwise have reason to talk to. On the other hand, on a wet and relatively twisty autostrada from Innsbruck to Trento, my confidence and forward vision (rather than adhesion) ran out at 120mph (not to mention the aforementioned girlfriend getting nervy) and I pulled in to let the previously tailgating BMW 3-something diesel estate breeze past! And on a twisty uphill road I was kept up with, of all things, by a chrysler MPV thing (voyager?) so is it faster than a TVR? Or did he know the road better, or was he simply a nutter, or was it that I had 2 people and a full luggage complement, or was it that he was on a 20 minute jaunt up the road rather than a 5 hour journey which would get rather tiring and dangerous on the limit the whole time.
So on the dry sunny twisty roads, surely no-one can dispute that the raw, visceral driving that an open top, light car with a big engine provides is the most fun you can have (bikers can disagree, but personally I wouldn't want to be clad in leather and a skid lid missing out on the tan). However on the sodden autobahn from Ludwigshafen to Austria (stopped raining at the border, oddly) with only 2 lanes and cars pulling out doing 60, give me the BMW with the power AND the ABS. Driving from Modena over the mountains towards Lucca was great fun... until it got dark and started raining near Pisa and the road signs became non-existent.. what I would have given for satnav rather than getting wet with a torch and map! An autobox would have been useful for the 3 major traffic jams on the autobahn, and finally aircon would have been quite welcome sitting in the same spot for an hour on an autostrada under the relentless Tuscan sun. It's fine when you're moving...
But you can't simply swap cars as the conditions change if you're not at home, so you pick one based on what driving you normally do, whether you're someone to pick the safe or the "to hell with it" options in life, and whether you're prepared to trade raw fun for safety, convenience and sometimes comfort (or the other way, prepared to get lost, sunburnt, wet (because you have to take out all your luggage to put the roof up so it isn't worth the bother), and test your reactions & cadence braking 20% of the time in return for more fun the other 80%).
Anyone can say "my bike/car is faster than XYZ because I left them behind / they tried to leave me behind and couldn't" but such comparisons are only possible if the driver is the same. I tell you what, having 2 people dependent on you and your income does tend to reduce your risk taking (and hence, sometimes, speed) somewhat. And I can do without ABS, airbags and TC on the "fun" car but I rather think the next one will at least have a roll bar.
PS Near Frankfurt the other day I was taken to a bar with a rifle range (not air rifles either). So not everything german is boring!
Well now. There I was surfing for sites and info about superbikes and I end up on one with BMW enthusiasts. That "I've got so many cars and bikes" fella Just-in clearly needs some anger management, is full of self (likely sheltering some serious issues about self-worth one suspects) , and, seems to me, has violated this site's conduct rules with respect to civilized behaviour. Ban him from the site. It did make for interesting reading though (in the clinical sense of things as well as being amusing).
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