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We already have a saloon, a coupe and an estate car so we wanted a Cab to replace the dead S4 Cab and the only BMW Cab with Xdrive was the 435. If there had been another Xdrive Cab we might have considered it. The M3 and B3 BiTurbo Cabs were considered as premium versions albeit without 4wd.
Fox- said:
You miss my point - which is that it's clearly more to you than just a hack for getting to work and back.
It's ok, it's fine to admit that you enjoy aspects of driving it and use it for tasks other than going to the office and back
Sorry; it's you that are missing the point. It's a diesel commuter; it takes last place in my choice of vehicles to drive for anything other than commuting; it's only plus points are a disappearing roof and a powerful engine. Mrs E24man completely agrees; it was chosen by her for ease of commuting use and fuel economy; she also says that compared to her three previous cars, Audi S4 Cab, Scooby Prodrive and TVR Griffith it would also come last if they were lined up together.It's ok, it's fine to admit that you enjoy aspects of driving it and use it for tasks other than going to the office and back
It is easy to drive but involving, interesting and thus enjoyable it isn't; the *35d engine is very powerful and propels the car at quite a rate but that on its own doesn't make a car involving, interesting and enjoyable. You seem to think it must so perhaps try something else yourself?
E24man said:
Sorry; it's you that are missing the point. It's a diesel commuter; it takes last place in my choice of vehicles to drive for anything other than commuting; it's only plus points are a disappearing roof and a powerful engine. Mrs E24man completely agrees; it was chosen by her for ease of commuting use and fuel economy; she also says that compared to her three previous cars, Audi S4 Cab, Scooby Prodrive and TVR Griffith it would also come last if they were lined up together.
It is easy to drive but involving, interesting and thus enjoyable it isn't; the *35d engine is very powerful and propels the car at quite a rate but that on its own doesn't make a car involving, interesting and enjoyable. You seem to think it must so perhaps try something else yourself?
I don't understand why you'd pick a 300bhp convertible if literally all you want to do is commute to work and back in it and view it simply as tool and derive no other enjoyment from it whatsoever. As a pure commuter tool it's surely way way down the list of vehicles to pick.It is easy to drive but involving, interesting and thus enjoyable it isn't; the *35d engine is very powerful and propels the car at quite a rate but that on its own doesn't make a car involving, interesting and enjoyable. You seem to think it must so perhaps try something else yourself?
Fox- said:
E24man said:
Sorry; it's you that are missing the point. It's a diesel commuter; it takes last place in my choice of vehicles to drive for anything other than commuting; it's only plus points are a disappearing roof and a powerful engine. Mrs E24man completely agrees; it was chosen by her for ease of commuting use and fuel economy; she also says that compared to her three previous cars, Audi S4 Cab, Scooby Prodrive and TVR Griffith it would also come last if they were lined up together.
It is easy to drive but involving, interesting and thus enjoyable it isn't; the *35d engine is very powerful and propels the car at quite a rate but that on its own doesn't make a car involving, interesting and enjoyable. You seem to think it must so perhaps try something else yourself?
I don't understand why you'd pick a 300bhp convertible if literally all you want to do is commute to work and back in it and view it simply as tool and derive no other enjoyment from it whatsoever. As a pure commuter tool it's surely way way down the list of vehicles to pick.It is easy to drive but involving, interesting and thus enjoyable it isn't; the *35d engine is very powerful and propels the car at quite a rate but that on its own doesn't make a car involving, interesting and enjoyable. You seem to think it must so perhaps try something else yourself?
Nah I can't see any reason why someone would want it as a daily driver.
p1stonhead said:
Reasonably economical, a nice place to be, but punchy enough for making any overtake a doddle, and a roof thag folds away.
Nah I can't see any reason why someone would want it as a daily driver.
They all sound like enjoyable attributes. He claims to derive no enjoyment from it at all.Nah I can't see any reason why someone would want it as a daily driver.
You can argue it is our subjective opinion based upon other vehicles we own and have owned, but the arguement also carries that other peoples opinions are similarly subjective based on their driving experiences.
A purely objective opinion would be difficult to garner as we all have to learn somehow and we all also have many years of passenger experiences to cloud any purely objective opinions.
But in comparison to the cars we have experiences of, it is a car that is one of the hardest to find a 'joy' of driving; it is, as I stated a while back, in our eyes, a diesel commuter. It's a reasonably nice place to be, it does its job well, it places little or no challenge to drive it adequately quickly but is also scant in a rewarding driving experience and offers little of anything that would make it stand out as something special or memorable to drive, look at, or own.
Putting it another way, if I ever attain old age and infirm dotage I should not expect to be telling any grandchildren at my knee of the fantastic 435d I once owned or eulogising of its performance, handling or looks; an M6, M5 or various Alpina's, Scooby's or the mighty Griffith might well be mentioned though.
A purely objective opinion would be difficult to garner as we all have to learn somehow and we all also have many years of passenger experiences to cloud any purely objective opinions.
But in comparison to the cars we have experiences of, it is a car that is one of the hardest to find a 'joy' of driving; it is, as I stated a while back, in our eyes, a diesel commuter. It's a reasonably nice place to be, it does its job well, it places little or no challenge to drive it adequately quickly but is also scant in a rewarding driving experience and offers little of anything that would make it stand out as something special or memorable to drive, look at, or own.
Putting it another way, if I ever attain old age and infirm dotage I should not expect to be telling any grandchildren at my knee of the fantastic 435d I once owned or eulogising of its performance, handling or looks; an M6, M5 or various Alpina's, Scooby's or the mighty Griffith might well be mentioned though.
HelmutVisorcover said:
Wow, almost opened the 'M badge w
ker' can of worms here! If BMW want to stick M Tech on various lines of cars, thats up to them and its clearly been a marketing success. I do tend to think they've gone a little overboard though. I'll just have to stick with my 0-60 of 4.5 secs and a torque figure of 650Nm as I consider my inferior brand new car. The whole M Car snobbery is a bit bizarre at times. True, when you see a 120d plastered in them or an old E36 316 dressed up to look like an M3 it is a little sad.
I actually chose not to buy an M4 and decided to buy the 435d XDrive instead (full M package brakes and suspension with AC Schnitzer coils). Simple choice of all round realistic performance on a day to day level added to better economics with only a slight degrade on usable performance. 4x4 is breathtaking with launch control, torque is astounding, handling is sharp. Tie that to 42mpg, cheap insurance and road tax of about £140 and the difference of 0.4 secs on the 0-60 becomes insignificant. After remap, 750Nm of torque and a 0-60 of 4.0.
Some see getting a 'proper M car' as the pinnacle but in the real grown up world, getting a potent useable car that doesnt have some of the vices of an M defeats the snobbery.
So if you would like to be a snob when you pull up next to me in an ageing M car, please phone BMW and complain. We can race between petrol stations and cash points
The man doth protest too much....ker' can of worms here! If BMW want to stick M Tech on various lines of cars, thats up to them and its clearly been a marketing success. I do tend to think they've gone a little overboard though. I'll just have to stick with my 0-60 of 4.5 secs and a torque figure of 650Nm as I consider my inferior brand new car. The whole M Car snobbery is a bit bizarre at times. True, when you see a 120d plastered in them or an old E36 316 dressed up to look like an M3 it is a little sad. I actually chose not to buy an M4 and decided to buy the 435d XDrive instead (full M package brakes and suspension with AC Schnitzer coils). Simple choice of all round realistic performance on a day to day level added to better economics with only a slight degrade on usable performance. 4x4 is breathtaking with launch control, torque is astounding, handling is sharp. Tie that to 42mpg, cheap insurance and road tax of about £140 and the difference of 0.4 secs on the 0-60 becomes insignificant. After remap, 750Nm of torque and a 0-60 of 4.0.
Some see getting a 'proper M car' as the pinnacle but in the real grown up world, getting a potent useable car that doesnt have some of the vices of an M defeats the snobbery.
So if you would like to be a snob when you pull up next to me in an ageing M car, please phone BMW and complain. We can race between petrol stations and cash points
Little reminder to everyone to check their bonnet catches are nicely lubed up and working nicely. I'm not sure what caused this yet but 20 minutes of lubing achieved nothing. 95 miles from home at 9pm so I had a fun drive along the motorway at 50mph. I'll think twice before I pop my bonnet in future.
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