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pgilc1 said:
Fox- said:
dxb335d said:
Stop labelling every diesel owner as some sort of non enthisuastic dont know how to drive car owner.
Most keen drivers chose petrol, diesel is something they end up with through circumstances. I bet if your Dad had given you a 335i instead you'd be on the other side of the bandwagon.I drive it because i enjoy it.
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dxb335d said:
You are right though. Had i bought a 33i and never tried the 335d i would prob be as blinkered as you
How am I blinkered? The two cars I drive the most are a 530d and a 530i so similar their production months are just a month apart. Sounds like a perfect opportunity to make objective comparisons on the petrol v diesel thing.dxb335d exhaust pipe shagger said:
i would prob be as blinkered as you
I am flabbergasted at that comment, it's like Elton John saying "i'd be as gay as you"anonymous said:
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I dont see where you're coming from with a diesel being less responsive and involving? Power on tap without revving the nuts off it sounds good to me.
Driven a 335d or 535d have you to know how good they are or are you too busy 'heeling and toeing'?
What always bemuses me is that petrol drives like you have to try to prove the TD drivers wrong, as opposed to diesel drivers trying to prove that there is an 'alternative' to petrols that are still fun to drive.
anonymous said:
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What 'heeling and toeing' - because you do that all the time in regular driving dont you?For the record, we've a 535d and a 3.0Si Sport z4 Coupe, so we can certainly appreciate the pro's and con's of both petrol and diesels. Not saying the diesel car is the better drive, but TBH you've a particularly narrow minded attitude to turbo diesels - your views may suit you but thats not necessarily the case for everyone else.
Actually its quite well summed up by the car you drive - 328i. You qualify anything turbo'd thats faster and potentially better out by saying it isnt a 'true drivers car', almost to justify what you drive.
anonymous said:
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So a diesel car cant be driven hard then? Or cant be fun? Because thats what your implying. I raced a new 350z across country in my remapped 535d last year and was all over him all of the time. It was amusing to watching him hunched over the steering wheel throwing gears at it like nobodies business and getting nowhere.
Was his car the better car just because it revs higher and maybe (subjectively) sounded nicer? No. Did he have more fun that day than me over those 20 or so miles? No.
The point is, diesels CAN be fun and there are a lot of people who buy and drive them because they prefer the way they drive.
anonymous said:
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Utter shiiiight.SO because ive got a powerful diesel im not into ''that sort of driving''
what a fool you are. I enjoy my car on the road, drag strip, track and even the Nurburgring... Just as other drivers do in other cars, whether they be a 1/4million pound Carrera GT or a Corsa VXR.
I drive my car hard and i drive it fast. It is a fast car and would be rude not too.
Its a fantastically capable rwd car.
anonymous said:
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1. The way there is power from very low down the rev range - something not previously associated with either a turbo petrol or turbo diesel,
2. the overtaking power that it has,
3. the fact that the power is there without having to rev it hard to get it,
4. the instantaneous throttle response,
5. the relentlessness of the power,
6. the option of blipping down the gears through the tip tronic box,
7. the F1 style paddle controls meaning you dont even need to take your hands off the steering wheel to drop a cog,
8. the fact that even in remapped form it can get 500lb/ft torque down onto the road,
9. the fact that it can be lazy power if you want it to be - just skipping past traffic at your leisure.
Cross country, that adds up to a big heap of fun. On motorways its perfect. It can be a daily commuting hack. It can be a pussycat when taxiing the kids around. Around town it can zip around traffic. It can embarass most (all?) hot hatches at the traffic light grand prix.... THATs how 99% of drivers use their cars 99% of the time. Thats what makes it a great drivers engine.
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 5th October 18:48
pgilc1 said:
anonymous said:
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1. The way there is power from very low down the rev range - something not previously associated with either a turbo petrol or turbo diesel,
2. the overtaking power that it has,
3. the fact that the power is there without having to rev it hard to get it,
4. the instantaneous throttle response,
5. the relentlessness of the power,
6. the option of blipping down the gears through the tip tronic box,
7. the F1 style paddle controls meaning you dont even need to take your hands off the steering wheel to drop a cog,
8. the fact that even in remapped form it can get 500lb/ft torque down onto the road,
9. the fact that it can be lazy power if you want it to be - just skipping past traffic at your leisure.
Cross country, that adds up to a big heap of fun. On motorways its perfect. It can be a daily commuting hack. It can be a pussycat when taxiing the kids around. Around town it can zip around traffic. It can embarass most (all?) hot hatches at the traffic light grand prix.... THATs how 99% of drivers use their cars 99% of the time. Thats what makes it a great drivers engine.
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 5th October 18:48
Really?
"5. the relentlessness of the power,"
Is it still pulling hard at 6000 rpm?
pgilc1 said:
anonymous said:
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1. The way there is power from very low down the rev range - something not previously associated with either a turbo petrol or turbo diesel,
2. the overtaking power that it has,
3. the fact that the power is there without having to rev it hard to get it,
4. the instantaneous throttle response,
5. the relentlessness of the power,
6. the option of blipping down the gears through the tip tronic box,
7. the F1 style paddle controls meaning you dont even need to take your hands off the steering wheel to drop a cog,
8. the fact that even in remapped form it can get 500lb/ft torque down onto the road,
9. the fact that it can be lazy power if you want it to be - just skipping past traffic at your leisure.
Cross country, that adds up to a big heap of fun. On motorways its perfect. It can be a daily commuting hack. It can be a pussycat when taxiing the kids around. Around town it can zip around traffic. It can embarass most (all?) hot hatches at the traffic light grand prix.... THATs how 99% of drivers use their cars 99% of the time. Thats what makes it a great drivers engine.
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 5th October 18:48
The New coupe is a fine handling machine, combined with this great engine is a superb car.
The best ''real World car'' of present times.
Cant think of one hot hatch that will be even close to a stock 335d 0-100mph.
NoelWatson said:
pgilc1 said:
anonymous said:
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1. The way there is power from very low down the rev range - something not previously associated with either a turbo petrol or turbo diesel,
2. the overtaking power that it has,
3. the fact that the power is there without having to rev it hard to get it,
4. the instantaneous throttle response,
5. the relentlessness of the power,
6. the option of blipping down the gears through the tip tronic box,
7. the F1 style paddle controls meaning you dont even need to take your hands off the steering wheel to drop a cog,
8. the fact that even in remapped form it can get 500lb/ft torque down onto the road,
9. the fact that it can be lazy power if you want it to be - just skipping past traffic at your leisure.
Cross country, that adds up to a big heap of fun. On motorways its perfect. It can be a daily commuting hack. It can be a pussycat when taxiing the kids around. Around town it can zip around traffic. It can embarass most (all?) hot hatches at the traffic light grand prix.... THATs how 99% of drivers use their cars 99% of the time. Thats what makes it a great drivers engine.
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 5th October 18:48
Really?
"5. the relentlessness of the power,"
Is it still pulling hard at 6000 rpm?
No it doesnt need to. You dont have to rev its brains out to get power.
Heres a short video - watch the little KPH needle go up really quickly, and watch the little rev counter needle not go anywhere near 6000rpm.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z50xhCHYZ1c&feat...
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 5th October 19:59
pgilc1 said:
NoelWatson said:
pgilc1 said:
anonymous said:
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1. The way there is power from very low down the rev range - something not previously associated with either a turbo petrol or turbo diesel,
2. the overtaking power that it has,
3. the fact that the power is there without having to rev it hard to get it,
4. the instantaneous throttle response,
5. the relentlessness of the power,
6. the option of blipping down the gears through the tip tronic box,
7. the F1 style paddle controls meaning you dont even need to take your hands off the steering wheel to drop a cog,
8. the fact that even in remapped form it can get 500lb/ft torque down onto the road,
9. the fact that it can be lazy power if you want it to be - just skipping past traffic at your leisure.
Cross country, that adds up to a big heap of fun. On motorways its perfect. It can be a daily commuting hack. It can be a pussycat when taxiing the kids around. Around town it can zip around traffic. It can embarass most (all?) hot hatches at the traffic light grand prix.... THATs how 99% of drivers use their cars 99% of the time. Thats what makes it a great drivers engine.
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 5th October 18:48
Really?
"5. the relentlessness of the power,"
Is it still pulling hard at 6000 rpm?
No it doesnt need to. You dont have to rev its brains out to get power.
Heres a short video - watch the little KPH needle go up really quickly, and watch the little rev counter needle not go anywhere near 6000rpm.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z50xhCHYZ1c&feat...
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 5th October 19:59
The key word was instantaneous. If you were to put the engine on a dyno it may well develop xxx torque at xxx revs under steady state conditions. Under dynamic conditions (snapping the throttle open for example), the N/A petrol will get to the rated torque level very quickly, the forced induction less so.
"No it doesnt need to. You dont have to rev its brains out to get power."
Some people enjoy high revving N/A engines. Look at the greatest engines of all time - the 6.1 litre in the Mclaren F1 being an example. Do Caterham offer turbos/diesels on their cars? Porsches with their GT3s?
NoelWatson said:
"Yup. Really. Look at the 0-60 times, the 30-70 times, the 50-70 times and then tell me it doesnt 'respond'."
The key word was instantaneous. If you were to put the engine on a dyno it may well develop xxx torque at xxx revs under steady state conditions. Under dynamic conditions (snapping the throttle open for example), the N/A petrol will get to the rated torque level very quickly, the forced induction less so.
"No it doesnt need to. You dont have to rev its brains out to get power."
Some people enjoy high revving N/A engines. Look at the greatest engines of all time - the 6.1 litre in the Mclaren F1 being an example. Do Caterham offer turbos/diesels on their cars? Porsches with their GT3s?
Where did i say that a 535d was better than an F1 or a GT3?The key word was instantaneous. If you were to put the engine on a dyno it may well develop xxx torque at xxx revs under steady state conditions. Under dynamic conditions (snapping the throttle open for example), the N/A petrol will get to the rated torque level very quickly, the forced induction less so.
"No it doesnt need to. You dont have to rev its brains out to get power."
Some people enjoy high revving N/A engines. Look at the greatest engines of all time - the 6.1 litre in the Mclaren F1 being an example. Do Caterham offer turbos/diesels on their cars? Porsches with their GT3s?
I KNOW some people enjoy N/A engines - my wife sold here turbo diesel coupe (hated it) and bought a N/A 3.0Si z4 Coupe and loves it.
All my point is that some people enjoy Turbo Diesels and that they can be drivers cars - something that caboosemoose doesnt seem to be able to grasp.
pgilc1 said:
davidd said:
Cool, this argument again
Horses for courses chaps...
My 335d (it is an estate the really dull one) is brilliant and I love it. My cerbra was also brilliant and I loved it.
They are different....
But then I love driving most things...
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Absolutely. Couldnt agree more. Horses for courses chaps...
My 335d (it is an estate the really dull one) is brilliant and I love it. My cerbra was also brilliant and I loved it.
They are different....
But then I love driving most things...
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anonymous said:
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Once again your full of shiiight... all your speaking is your own opinion. Your not a driving god and your not the ultimate driver. Im more of a car enthusiast than you will ever be, thats why i feel so strongly about the 335d.
Does not mean i dont love other better N/A Cars... You just dont clearly see a good car as it runs you over on a pedestrian crossing.
Ive driven some great N/A cars, just to to mention now, CSL and R8 but the 335d still doesnt feel ''blunt'' or ''disatisfying''. Its wonderful to thrash about the track. The relentless acceleration is phoenominal out of the bends. Its great fun and very Satisfying. 100% more satisfying than your e36 328.
I am a drivers driver. I would love a 997 GT3RS, thats a dream car for me. But the 335d is not lacking in any department. It aint a 2 seater, it aint a supercar. Its fine road car which is very handy on track aslo. Ask the M3 drivers ive caught and passed on track, ask anyone whose spent ''long enough'' with the car, not just a test drive where the tester has gone into the situation knowing how they feel about diesels and there own misconseptins before they even press the starter button.
Get over your ''artificial feel'' turbo powered b
ks. Many modern day cars petrols included will be turbo. There cleaner, greener and more powerful. Does not make them less of a car than a N/A powered one.We live in world dominated by ''greeness'' yes its pain in the arse but if you can get a better performing ''greener'' car out of it then accept this. Its a GREAT THING.
I too was once like you. Hated diesels and would never have believed BMW could achieve what they have with their high end diesel engines.
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