E92 M3, destined for failure?
Discussion
squeezebm said:
Roofer,no skin off mine pal, seems Clarkson is right about the new Audi bunch
;);)
You could not be more wrong if you tried Squeezebm - Housey is a top bloke - OK so he has fallen from favour of late with his Ingolstadt wagon - but we all make minor indiscretions from time to time.;);)nbetts said:
squeezebm said:
Had an E46 M3(smg) then the CSL and now....
So tell me about your CSL... I would love to hear all about it.
squeezebm said:
nbetts said:
squeezebm said:
Had an E46 M3(smg) then the CSL and now....
So tell me about your CSL... I would love to hear all about it.nbetts said:
squeezebm said:
nbetts said:
squeezebm said:
Had an E46 M3(smg) then the CSL and now....
So tell me about your CSL... I would love to hear all about it.Gatso said:
hey squeezbm, so you have an E92 M3? why not stick a picture of yours in your profile rather than;
and Fecking Hilarious....what is this Net Nerds R Us and all posted within minutes 
ask Polarbert as he gave my E92 a great Wax on wax off a month or so ago .........or maybe i just borrowed it, paid him to clean it so i could show off on PH 
you muppets!! back in your boxes so the discussion can go on.Housey said:
squeezebm said:
Housey said:
Pfft is Onomatopoeia not some geek phrase, I wonder why you thought that Mr Bull...
Even Funnier......I'm only North Notts way, why don't you pop up sometime and we could have a little face to facey chat rather than you using your little fingers so much,just let me know and i'll drop everything 
Late comer to the thread, not read it all so bare with me:
The residuals of the E30 M3 are higher than the E36, this is very true...I think this is in part due to it's performance for the time and the cult following it received from BMW purists and it's heritage
However
The E36 is a later model and the values are on the floor at the moment, but I don't think this is because it was a failure or unloved, I think it's because it is the natural course of things.
Give it a couple of years and I think the E36 will start rising in value in much the same way that the E30 325i Sport has
The main problem with the E92, for me at least, is it looks odd
It doesn't look "right" from the side profile...something looks odd almost as if the wheelbase was stretched a little, but this doesn't mean it will fail, it just means that the values will drop to the levels that E36 are currently at (in time) and eventually begin to raise again, especially when a few concourse cars are sold and people realise what they were
This is one of the reasons why I'm keeping the E32 because you don't see many and like the E30's, the residuals will rise given time
The residuals of the E30 M3 are higher than the E36, this is very true...I think this is in part due to it's performance for the time and the cult following it received from BMW purists and it's heritage
However
The E36 is a later model and the values are on the floor at the moment, but I don't think this is because it was a failure or unloved, I think it's because it is the natural course of things.
Give it a couple of years and I think the E36 will start rising in value in much the same way that the E30 325i Sport has
The main problem with the E92, for me at least, is it looks odd
It doesn't look "right" from the side profile...something looks odd almost as if the wheelbase was stretched a little, but this doesn't mean it will fail, it just means that the values will drop to the levels that E36 are currently at (in time) and eventually begin to raise again, especially when a few concourse cars are sold and people realise what they were
This is one of the reasons why I'm keeping the E32 because you don't see many and like the E30's, the residuals will rise given time
Just spotted a little article in BMWcar mag:
"Worldwide M sales on the up"
In its 30th year, M GmbH's sales during the first 9 months of 2008 have already exceeded those achieved during the whole of 2007
...
The new M3 has been instrumental in reaching these sales figures - since the start of production over 14,589 M3s have been sold, nearly doubling the number of E46 M3s that had been sold at this point in its lifecycle
If those are true (I guess there is a fair chance the figures have been... massaged... at least) then it seems that "destined for failure" is already incorrect.
"Worldwide M sales on the up"
In its 30th year, M GmbH's sales during the first 9 months of 2008 have already exceeded those achieved during the whole of 2007
...
The new M3 has been instrumental in reaching these sales figures - since the start of production over 14,589 M3s have been sold, nearly doubling the number of E46 M3s that had been sold at this point in its lifecycle
If those are true (I guess there is a fair chance the figures have been... massaged... at least) then it seems that "destined for failure" is already incorrect.
Imho i think neither the m3 or the m5 are gonna have good residuals due to the amount of tecnology involved, who wants to buy a car for 20k that could cost them that again if it goes bang???
Ive worked in the motor trade all my life and have worked on many Bmw's including most of the m cars including my brother in laws e39 m5. Tbh if a new m3 or m5 came in for anything other than basic work i would send it to the dealer. Im sure there are independent specialists out there who are probably better than Bmw at working on them but i fear that with cars this complex an electrical fault could in theroy right it off.
For example i know the director of a local firm whos vans we look after has a 2007 m5 which has developed a fault with the smg gearbox, under warranty so straight back to the dealer.... 8 months ago and yes they still have it! If the dealer cant fix them what chance has the entusiast got of fixing it in his garage at home?? as it tends to be people like this that keep these cars alive.
Of course this isnt a Bmw exclusive problem.
Ive worked in the motor trade all my life and have worked on many Bmw's including most of the m cars including my brother in laws e39 m5. Tbh if a new m3 or m5 came in for anything other than basic work i would send it to the dealer. Im sure there are independent specialists out there who are probably better than Bmw at working on them but i fear that with cars this complex an electrical fault could in theroy right it off.
For example i know the director of a local firm whos vans we look after has a 2007 m5 which has developed a fault with the smg gearbox, under warranty so straight back to the dealer.... 8 months ago and yes they still have it! If the dealer cant fix them what chance has the entusiast got of fixing it in his garage at home?? as it tends to be people like this that keep these cars alive.
Of course this isnt a Bmw exclusive problem.
Edited by neiljohnson on Friday 24th October 07:34
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