E36 328i

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istoo

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2,365 posts

203 months

Tuesday 4th November 2008
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the search function is offline and i have heard conflicting reports.

Does the E36 328 suffer from nikasil issues?
If so which ages, what shoudl i look out for on the books?

dan101smith

16,806 posts

212 months

Tuesday 4th November 2008
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Yes, up to around March '98 (build date, not registration).

If it is pre-98, look for paperwork to show a block change, or call BMW to confirm.

E30M3SE

8,469 posts

197 months

Tuesday 4th November 2008
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First 10 week of production in 1998 were affected, but as previously posted, check with BMW.

istoo

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203 months

Tuesday 4th November 2008
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thanks, i assume that this was a recall? Or did the opwners at the time have to fork out for it?

E30M3SE

8,469 posts

197 months

Tuesday 4th November 2008
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Wasn't a recall (IIRC), but if the car had problems it was sorted under warranty, which is why there are cars out there that still have the nikasil blocks.

istoo

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203 months

Tuesday 4th November 2008
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understood, opinion time in that case, should i only look for a 328i that is
A post week 10 1998
B had the nikasil (short block) resolved/ changed.

are the cars that have the block which are for sale worth trying? Do BMW still fix these or is it long past warranty, therefore your problem now?

dan101smith

16,806 posts

212 months

Tuesday 4th November 2008
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BMW very, very rarely get involved in helping out now.

Doesn't really matter if you go for an Alusil built car, or one that's been through "the change", net result will be the same.

Nikasil cars aren't a guarantee of problems though. I had one with 135k on the clock and it was absolutely fine.

blade7

11,311 posts

217 months

Tuesday 4th November 2008
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If the nikasil bores have never come into contact with the cheapo fuel that caused the problem it is probably a better prospect than the steel linered block, but unless you have owned the car from new how could you know ?, I played safe and went for a car with the replacement linered block.

Shropshiremike

23,285 posts

204 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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dan101smith said:
BMW very, very rarely get involved in helping out now.

Doesn't really matter if you go for an Alusil built car, or one that's been through "the change", net result will be the same.
Just as an aside, BMW didn't use the Alusil cylinder wall finish on the 328i - it was either a Nicasil finish or steel liner.

Hereward

4,201 posts

231 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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istoo said:
understood, opinion time in that case, should i only look for a 328i that is
A post week 10 1998
B had the nikasil (short block) resolved/ changed.

are the cars that have the block which are for sale worth trying? Do BMW still fix these or is it long past warranty, therefore your problem now?
My old 328i is still on the original Nikasil block and runs beautifully (I sold it to my Dad).

If the problem hasn't manifested itself by now then it's unlikely to in the future since fuel now has very low sulphur content.

Ravell

1,181 posts

213 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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As I've said before (this is a straight copy) nikasil problems are much less of an isue the days than it used to be.

Most M52 engines (323i, 328i, 523i etc.) have their cylinder bores coated with nikasil (a nickel-silicon ceramic alloy) instead of heavier steel liners. UK fuel in some parts of the country contained too much sulpher around the mid 90's, this reacted with the nikasil coating and it would wear away. The result would be compression loss and a replacement engine would be required.

Since the late 90's UK fuel has been ultra low sulpher and if the engine wasn't damaged before then it is extremely unlikely to ever develop a problem. Most engines at the time that did were replaced under warrenty by BMW. If you want to be absolutely sure the engine is fine, do a compression test.

I personaly see no reason to walk away from a car simply because it has a nikasil block, as long as I can have or can do a compression test to make sure before buying.

istoo

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2,365 posts

203 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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Ravell said:
As I've said before (this is a straight copy) nikasil problems are much less of an isue the days than it used to be.

Most M52 engines (323i, 328i, 523i etc.) have their cylinder bores coated with nikasil (a nickel-silicon ceramic alloy) instead of heavier steel liners. UK fuel in some parts of the country contained too much sulpher around the mid 90's, this reacted with the nikasil coating and it would wear away. The result would be compression loss and a replacement engine would be required.

Since the late 90's UK fuel has been ultra low sulpher and if the engine wasn't damaged before then it is extremely unlikely to ever develop a problem. Most engines at the time that did were replaced under warrenty by BMW. If you want to be absolutely sure the engine is fine, do a compression test.

I personaly see no reason to walk away from a car simply because it has a nikasil block, as long as I can have or can do a compression test to make sure before buying.
superb answer, basically the issues where back in the day and unless they have had them the chances of happening now are low. sorry i would have used the search function but its been dead for about a week.

istoo

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203 months

Thursday 6th November 2008
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anonymous said:
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that was my initial thought, but as per this thread, i did find conflicting reports. On the law of averages and me being a dreadfully unlucky git, a new linered/ revised car would be the choice... However i was going to steer away completely but i did know that the problem could be solved and indeed on some cars has been solved.

Sorry to keep beating the drum but i would like the question answered as there are many pro's for this car but this is the main con...

dan101smith

16,806 posts

212 months

Thursday 6th November 2008
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How much is the car?

dougc

8,240 posts

266 months

Thursday 6th November 2008
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scratchchin Interesting stuff.

In the absence of a search function, can anyone else divulge any useful hints and tips on what to look for on a potential purchase?

Shropshiremike

23,285 posts

204 months

Thursday 6th November 2008
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dougc said:
scratchchin Interesting stuff.

In the absence of a search function, can anyone else divulge any useful hints and tips on what to look for on a potential purchase?
Brake pipes at the rear of the car - where they go up over the tank - have they been replaced recently? If not check them out - it can be a couple of hundred to get them sorted if you're not handy yourself.
A feeling of warped discs may just be front wishbone balljoints/bushes worn
If the car feels floaty/imprecise/wandery ask when the rear trailing arm bushes were last done - they need attention quite regularly to keep the car feeling sharp
A knocking from the back over bumps could be rear damper top mounts.
Check the rear springs if you can get under the car - the bottom coil often snaps off ( and is not easy to see without putting your hand down by the bottom spring cup to feel ) and will lead to woolly handling.

Lots of other things as well but those are just a few away from the engine bay/interior

Shropshiremike

23,285 posts

204 months

Friday 7th November 2008
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dougc said:
scratchchin Interesting stuff.

In the absence of a search function, can anyone else divulge any useful hints and tips on what to look for on a potential purchase?
Also, have a look here - some good info

http://www.unitedbimmer.com/kb-e36-common-faults-f...

dougc

8,240 posts

266 months

Friday 7th November 2008
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thumbup Perfect. Thanks very much.

nottyash

4,670 posts

196 months

Friday 7th November 2008
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I bought a 328i coupe last week and just read this post!!
Typically mine was registered Jan 98, beautiful drive though.