335d vs 330d - Question for dxb335d
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dxb335d said:
Boulder said:
dxb335d said:
Boulder said:
The new 240bhp 330d engine gives better performace figures than the old 335d.
Deffo the one to have!
Lol what a plonker. If a re-mapped 290bhp 330d cant beat a 335d then a 245bhp certainly cant. Forget BMW figures.Deffo the one to have!
a new 330d which is down significantly on power and torque is not as fast as a stock 335d, let along a mapped one.
I would think a mapped old 330d (290bhp) would be somewhat quicker than the new 245bhp 330d wouldnt you agree, general consensus seems that the remapped old 330d is slower than a stock 335d.
Now tune the new one and i rekon you might see over 300bhp. Now that might be quicker than a stock 335d. But remember the twin turbo lump is pretty good stock, very drivable. Power delivery is superb.
I might have to try the new 330d to see how much quicker or slower it might be.
dxb335d said:
Boulder said:
The new 240bhp 330d engine gives better performace figures than the old 335d.
Deffo the one to have!
Lol what a plonker. If a re-mapped 290bhp 330d cant beat a 335d then a 245bhp certainly cant. Forget BMW figures.Deffo the one to have!
sniff diesel said:
dxb335d said:
Boulder said:
The new 240bhp 330d engine gives better performace figures than the old 335d.
Deffo the one to have!
Lol what a plonker. If a re-mapped 290bhp 330d cant beat a 335d then a 245bhp certainly cant. Forget BMW figures.Deffo the one to have!
MattOz said:
I'll stick my neck out and say that there was literally nothing in it between my E90 330d M-Sport manual and my 535d M-Sport. But then what do I know......... 
Matt
5 series is somewhat heavier dude. Have you had them run side by side also?Matt
I know a stock 535d can do a low 14's pass at 99mph.. Best ive seen stock 330d is 14.5@97mph. (E90)
So bit slower. Best stock 335d is 13.9@101.5.
dxb335d said:
Hi shamrock.
A re-mapped 330d will give close to stock 335d perfomance, i dont think it will beat it though. Maybe i could be proved wrong?
I have been a passenger in a re-mapped 330d, it went very well.
Re-mapped 335d compared to re-mapped 330d. The 335d will have an even bigger advantage.
Why is it that your interested?
thanks
Lad at work just purchased a 330D M Sport which was already mapped to something like 500ft/lbs torque. A re-mapped 330d will give close to stock 335d perfomance, i dont think it will beat it though. Maybe i could be proved wrong?
I have been a passenger in a re-mapped 330d, it went very well.
Re-mapped 335d compared to re-mapped 330d. The 335d will have an even bigger advantage.
Why is it that your interested?
thanks
I jokingly mentioned that it's no remapped 335d but he's never seen this forum so he didn't get it and just kept saying there was no difference between his 330d and a remapped 335d.
It just got me thinking as to what real world difference would there be as he seems to be quite the petrolhead (or should I say dieselhead) and swears there is no real world difference.
He had a run down the M1 with one of the other lads who has an E36 M3 Evo Cabriolet and they said there was no real difference in acceleration, the E36 just having a slight edge every now and then. They were out for about 2 hours thrashing up and down the M1.
That got me thinking about the whole E36/E46 M3 performance vs 335d, if his remapped 330d is identical in performance to your 335d, but that would seem not to be the case as the majority of comments suggest the 335d clearly pulls away from the 330d when rolling.
Thanks
wilftwo said:
Query how does this really matter in the real world.
I remember trying to overtake an e39 530D in my old subaru p1 once on a dual and being completely caught out. Would have really had to ring its neck into 3 figures to have got by.
It doesn't. It's all down to the driver. I was just curious.I remember trying to overtake an e39 530D in my old subaru p1 once on a dual and being completely caught out. Would have really had to ring its neck into 3 figures to have got by.
Very tempted to take my 530d to brands just to see what it can do.
dxb335d said:
MattOz said:
I'll stick my neck out and say that there was literally nothing in it between my E90 330d M-Sport manual and my 535d M-Sport. But then what do I know.........
Matt
5 series is somewhat heavier dude. Have you had them run side by side also?Matt
I know a stock 535d can do a low 14's pass at 99mph.. Best ive seen stock 330d is 14.5@97mph. (E90)
So bit slower. Best stock 335d is 13.9@101.5.
335d is .5 seconds quicker than the 535d because fo this weight saving.
The 330d is also .3 seconds quicker than the 535d even with 40bhp down.
Remap that 330d to 300bhp and I reckon you can shave over half a second off that time, if they can for the 335d then they will do and more for the lighter 330d.
Round a track I reckon a properly remapped 330d (320bhp) would beat the 335d no problem, on a dragstrip I think the 335d would still have the edge purely down to the design.
noumenon said:
gizlaroc said:
Round a track I reckon a properly remapped 330d (320bhp) would beat the 335d no problem, on a dragstrip I think the 335d would still have the edge purely down to the design.
I reckon round the track, the best driver would be quicker, irrespective of the car.
gizlaroc said:
dxb335d said:
MattOz said:
I'll stick my neck out and say that there was literally nothing in it between my E90 330d M-Sport manual and my 535d M-Sport. But then what do I know.........
Matt
5 series is somewhat heavier dude. Have you had them run side by side also?Matt
I know a stock 535d can do a low 14's pass at 99mph.. Best ive seen stock 330d is 14.5@97mph. (E90)
So bit slower. Best stock 335d is 13.9@101.5.
335d is .5 seconds quicker than the 535d because fo this weight saving.
The 330d is also .3 seconds quicker than the 535d even with 40bhp down.
Remap that 330d to 300bhp and I reckon you can shave over half a second off that time, if they can for the 335d then they will do and more for the lighter 330d.
Round a track I reckon a properly remapped 330d (320bhp) would beat the 335d no problem, on a dragstrip I think the 335d would still have the edge purely down to the design.
gizlaroc said:
noumenon said:
gizlaroc said:
Round a track I reckon a properly remapped 330d (320bhp) would beat the 335d no problem, on a dragstrip I think the 335d would still have the edge purely down to the design.
I reckon round the track, the best driver would be quicker, irrespective of the car.dxb335d said:
gizlaroc said:
noumenon said:
gizlaroc said:
Round a track I reckon a properly remapped 330d (320bhp) would beat the 335d no problem, on a dragstrip I think the 335d would still have the edge purely down to the design.
I reckon round the track, the best driver would be quicker, irrespective of the car.A 'proper' driver will use lots of techniques to help the car along. A good example is using oversteer to help the car rotate mid corner (around the apex). How many good drivers do you know, who even know what I'm talking about, never mind the ability to do it!
Was it 5th gear who had the presenter in a 1.0l something against his mum/gran in a 350z? Ah, that was funny.
noumenon said:
dxb335d said:
gizlaroc said:
noumenon said:
gizlaroc said:
Round a track I reckon a properly remapped 330d (320bhp) would beat the 335d no problem, on a dragstrip I think the 335d would still have the edge purely down to the design.
I reckon round the track, the best driver would be quicker, irrespective of the car.A 'proper' driver will use lots of techniques to help the car along. A good example is using oversteer to help the car rotate mid corner (around the apex). How many good drivers do you know, who even know what I'm talking about, never mind the ability to do it!
Was it 5th gear who had the presenter in a 1.0l something against his mum/gran in a 350z? Ah, that was funny.
noumenon said:
dxb335d said:
gizlaroc said:
noumenon said:
gizlaroc said:
Round a track I reckon a properly remapped 330d (320bhp) would beat the 335d no problem, on a dragstrip I think the 335d would still have the edge purely down to the design.
I reckon round the track, the best driver would be quicker, irrespective of the car.A 'proper' driver will use lots of techniques to help the car along. A good example is using oversteer to help the car rotate mid corner (around the apex). How many good drivers do you know, who even know what I'm talking about, never mind the ability to do it!
Was it 5th gear who had the presenter in a 1.0l something against his mum/gran in a 350z? Ah, that was funny.
Same day, with the same driver otherwise i would not bothered mentioning it..... Also only 2 secs behind a E90 M3... Go eat ya shorts.
I grew up racing karts, i can go round a track very well mate.
Track conditions, car, car set-up, tyres, weather conditions are just a few examples of what can dictate how a lap can pan out and how to attack it.
Generally speaking, drifting the tail-end out around bends aint the quickest way to negiotiate a corner.
To the chap who said drifting the car round a corner was the quickest way round a corner. Take a look at F1 - when your in car vid following another and see what happens when your car drifts and the other has drive one car suddenly has a lot more car lengths in front (its not your car though BTW its the car in front).
Or failing that - have you ever heard Brundle talking about laps & the qualifying... loss of traction is the best thing for a slower lap be it bracking cornering or off the line.
Dont believe that meet me at a set of traffic lights you spin up your wheels and I'll race you to the ton. (assuming same Power to weight & driven wheels) you will lose and by some margin. For the best illustration of this watch F1 starts - those who bog down or lose traction vs those who get the perfect get away (with zero traction loss) they are some way ahead & can pass someone on the grid due to this.
Amazed you were not aware of this hopefully you'll change your xbox360 driving style and on road driving style and save £ on tyres and bushes and be quicker while doing so.
Or failing that - have you ever heard Brundle talking about laps & the qualifying... loss of traction is the best thing for a slower lap be it bracking cornering or off the line.
Dont believe that meet me at a set of traffic lights you spin up your wheels and I'll race you to the ton. (assuming same Power to weight & driven wheels) you will lose and by some margin. For the best illustration of this watch F1 starts - those who bog down or lose traction vs those who get the perfect get away (with zero traction loss) they are some way ahead & can pass someone on the grid due to this.
Amazed you were not aware of this hopefully you'll change your xbox360 driving style and on road driving style and save £ on tyres and bushes and be quicker while doing so.
dxb335d said:
LOL.....
Same day, with the same driver otherwise i would not bothered mentioning it..... Also only 2 secs behind a E90 M3... Go eat ya shorts.
I grew up racing karts, i can go round a track very well mate.
Track conditions, car, car set-up, tyres, weather conditions are just a few examples of what can dictate how a lap can pan out and how to attack it.
Generally speaking, drifting the tail-end out around bends aint the quickest way to negiotiate a corner.
335d vs M3 is impressive. But isn't 2 seconds a lap about the difference between Ferrari and Force India in F1 (i.e. pole vs back)? Same day, with the same driver otherwise i would not bothered mentioning it..... Also only 2 secs behind a E90 M3... Go eat ya shorts.
I grew up racing karts, i can go round a track very well mate.
Track conditions, car, car set-up, tyres, weather conditions are just a few examples of what can dictate how a lap can pan out and how to attack it.
Generally speaking, drifting the tail-end out around bends aint the quickest way to negiotiate a corner.
I didn't mean tiff style drifting, I'm taking about a few degrees to help the car turn. Same sort of idea as left foot trail braking into a corner to reduce initial understeer, but undertaken around the apex.
noumenon said:
dxb335d said:
LOL.....
Same day, with the same driver otherwise i would not bothered mentioning it..... Also only 2 secs behind a E90 M3... Go eat ya shorts.
I grew up racing karts, i can go round a track very well mate.
Track conditions, car, car set-up, tyres, weather conditions are just a few examples of what can dictate how a lap can pan out and how to attack it.
Generally speaking, drifting the tail-end out around bends aint the quickest way to negiotiate a corner.
335d vs M3 is impressive. But isn't 2 seconds a lap about the difference between Ferrari and Force India in F1 (i.e. pole vs back)? Same day, with the same driver otherwise i would not bothered mentioning it..... Also only 2 secs behind a E90 M3... Go eat ya shorts.
I grew up racing karts, i can go round a track very well mate.
Track conditions, car, car set-up, tyres, weather conditions are just a few examples of what can dictate how a lap can pan out and how to attack it.
Generally speaking, drifting the tail-end out around bends aint the quickest way to negiotiate a corner.
I didn't mean tiff style drifting, I'm taking about a few degrees to help the car turn. Same sort of idea as left foot trail braking into a corner to reduce initial understeer, but undertaken around the apex.
Dub335 that article had lap times of 1min20secs for the M3 and 1min22 for the 335d & 335i not knowing the track layout lets use the Top Gear power lap times.
Now the M3 saloon does it in 1min 25.3 seconds the 535d 272bhp does it in 1min 31.8 seconds buts a much bigger heavier car more of a GT than a track car.
So lets look at the 1 min 27.5 second bracket... what cars do we have in there????
Porche 911 GT3
TVR 350C
DB9
Vanquish S
Evo X
911 S
With your F1 comparison firstly thats 2 seconds on an F1 lap with road cars like the 335d & M3 the lap time is going to be far far higher - didnt an F1 car do the Top Gear track in under 50 seconds?? and its not really a good track to show off the F1 cars real abilities. So 2seconds on an F1 car is a lot but for a road car its nothing - remember noone will ever drive their car like that on the road + its shows you how little there is in it between them when giving them the beans.
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