335d vs 330d - Question for dxb335d

[emicen]

Welshbeef said:

noumenon said:

noumenon said:

squeezebm said:

dxb335d said:

Thats all fair enough mate. But I find all that comes pretty naturally anyhow. I can appreciate though if it didnt come naturally and being told it and then putting it into practise would make you a better driver.

Carl you are a GOD

So, assuming you are that good and turn off DSC to enjoy true car control. You enter a corner, get into oversteer, apply lock but hit the lock limit before the slide has been corrected. So now the car is continuing to increase it's oversteer angle, but you're out of steering lock. What does your natural instinct tell you to do in that case?

Any ideas?

If you have to think about it, you've just run out of natural talent and are probably heading for the gravel trap or worse...

Personally I have never been in this situation - when I go karting (just for fun) drifting of any sorts really hinders a good lap time - that said a 4 wheel drift does work if you can hold it.

With respect to your question - I would imagine that if you continue with throttle wide open you will spin out, if you back off totally you will get into an abrupt correction or more likely still spin out in the same way as applying throttle wide open.
I would personally back off the throttle a little until I could get the rear back in step - however having never actually had any instruction or ever tried it then I cannot say for sure. Clearly I play driving games but I try to go smooth & not drift.

Nope. Drifting ensures a good lap tip.

[noumenon]

DXB is clearly young and passionate about his first very shiny car. I'm sure we've all been like that. But we all also need to learn at some point that if we post rubbish on forums, and worse, portray ourselves as anything chav like, then we're opening the flood gates and deserve everything we get. Right?

[shamrock]

JeffC said:

I will be able to answer the o/ps questions soon, I had a 335d for 18months which i sold, it had a very strong map fitted and it really was balistically quick to the point of Rs4 quick, Ive just today picked up its replacement an E90 330D manual, which will be getting a strong map fitted in the next week or so, driving the 330d standard its not that exciting, its nippy and I much prefer the manual box!! Ive just done a 200 mile trip collecting it and the mpg compared to the 335d is amazing Ive got a range of 700 miles on the tank

I drove a 330d E90 that I had a strong map installed , this was just before i got shot of my 335d , we never had them side by side but bottom end they felt comparable but I noticed my 335d revved a lot stronger and performance was noticabley better top end of the rev counter and above 3 figures in favour of the twin turbo.. In the real world of day to day driving a drive in my pals 330d manual inspired me to change , the 330d is always 10mpg over the 335d and enough power to take swmbo on the school run

It will be interesting to see what you make of the performance difference in the real world.

My colleague still insists that there's nothing between him, a remapped 335d and an E36 M3 Evo Vert. I'm not looking to prove him wrong as he's a decent guy and seems to know his stuff, it's purely out of interest having read all the internet spiel about the remapped 335d.

dxb335d said:

squeezebm said:

dxb335d said:

Thats all fair enough mate. But I find all that comes pretty naturally anyhow. I can appreciate though if it didnt come naturally and being told it and then putting it into practise would make you a better driver.

Carl you are a GOD

thanks calvin mate. How is the big old beast of an M///



Back on topic anyhow, 335d is quicker than a 330d 245.

But both cracking cars. I advise anyone to test drive both and then make a decision. Being politically correct etc LOL...

Really if you want the faster car then go straight for the 335d If you want a manual drivers car buy an elise LOL

Sorry for being pedantic dxb but the topic is remapped 335d at (what sort of torque is your 335d?) vs remapped 330d at 500ft/lbs torque - the real world difference when rolling

[noumenon]

Welshbeef said:

noumenon said:

noumenon said:

squeezebm said:

dxb335d said:

Thats all fair enough mate. But I find all that comes pretty naturally anyhow. I can appreciate though if it didnt come naturally and being told it and then putting it into practise would make you a better driver.

Carl you are a GOD

So, assuming you are that good and turn off DSC to enjoy true car control. You enter a corner, get into oversteer, apply lock but hit the lock limit before the slide has been corrected. So now the car is continuing to increase it's oversteer angle, but you're out of steering lock. What does your natural instinct tell you to do in that case?

Any ideas?

If you have to think about it, you've just run out of natural talent and are probably heading for the gravel trap or worse...

Personally I have never been in this situation - when I go karting (just for fun) drifting of any sorts really hinders a good lap time - that said a 4 wheel drift does work if you can hold it.

With respect to your question - I would imagine that if you continue with throttle wide open you will spin out, if you back off totally you will get into an abrupt correction or more likely still spin out in the same way as applying throttle wide open.
I would personally back off the throttle a little until I could get the rear back in step - however having never actually had any instruction or ever tried it then I cannot say for sure. Clearly I play driving games but I try to go smooth & not drift.

Throttle on it's own wouldn't save you. Backing off is likely to be the same as keeping your foot in. Though great point about smoothness. The way to correct it is to mash the brake and accelerator at the same time.

[Welshbeef]

But if drifting is the best way to get the best lap time is that on a one lap only or for the whole race? Surely the tyre will perish much quicker drifting than not & therefore provide even less traction?

I have seen many races in F1 where they have over cooked the tyres and then tey cannot compete/competitive lap they have to nurse it round until they are within a pit stop window

[Cyclone1]

noumenon said:

DXB is clearly young and passionate about his first very shiny car. I'm sure we've all been like that. But we all also need to learn at some point that if we post rubbish on forums, and worse, portray ourselves as anything chav like, then we're opening the flood gates and deserve everything we get. Right?

Yes, but we've been down this route with DXB before and to a much worse degree. If you read back through this thread where he does step out of line slightly or makes a slightly derogatory comment he accepts this or apologies once he's been corrected, this sort of thing happens frequently on other threads/forums and it's usually accepted. Whilst he is not perfect his posts are much better than they use to be. What p*sses me off is that these threads still follow the same path and end up being closed or totally off topic, hence my comment about not posting much on here nowdays. Anyway I've said my bit and expressed my opinion, I don't expect people to agree. The original question has been answered.

Jules.

[m12_nathan]

Tyre management is important for sure but the point was that some slip on the tyre (about 8-11% according to the latest track driving book I'm reading) is where maximum traction and grip is generated.

[noumenon]

Welshbeef said:

But if drifting is the best way to get the best lap time is that on a one lap only or for the whole race? Surely the tyre will perish much quicker drifting than not & therefore provide even less traction?

I have seen many races in F1 where they have over cooked the tyres and then tey cannot compete/competitive lap they have to nurse it round until they are within a pit stop window

We're not talking tiff here. It's just getting the car to rotate as it corners. It's no more harsh than trail braking, which almost everyone does...

[Cyclone1]

shamrock said:

Sorry for being pedantic dxb but the topic is remapped 335d at (what sort of torque is your 335d?) vs remapped 330d at 500ft/lbs torque - the real world difference when rolling

Shamrock as you've possibly picked up on by now I drive a remapped 335d. I've ran it at a couple of VMAX events and twice at Fighting Torque (do a search on here for more details) and took part in a comparison of mapped, standard and press 335's for BMW Car Magazine. As honest as your friend is about his 330d it will not stay with a remapped 335d once rolling. Approximate figures for a remapped 335d are anywhere from 330bhp-360bhp and 480lb/ft-560lb/ft, but please remember that figures quoted by owners or found on the web are only a guide as different rolling roads can yield different or at times inaccurate figures.

Hope this helps
Jules.

[noumenon]

Cyclone1 said:

noumenon said:

DXB is clearly young and passionate about his first very shiny car. I'm sure we've all been like that. But we all also need to learn at some point that if we post rubbish on forums, and worse, portray ourselves as anything chav like, then we're opening the flood gates and deserve everything we get. Right?

Yes, but we've been down this route with DXB before and to a much worse degree. If you read back through this thread where he does step out of line slightly or makes a slightly derogatory comment he accepts this or apologies once he's been corrected, this sort of thing happens frequently on other threads/forums and it's usually accepted. Whilst he is not perfect his posts are much better than they use to be. What p*sses me off is that these threads still follow the same path and end up being closed or totally off topic, hence my comment about not posting much on here nowdays. Anyway I've said my bit and expressed my opinion, I don't expect people to agree. The original question has been answered.

Jules.

Young, impetuous and passionate. Is he Italian too?

I do agree, but it is a public forum with free speech.

[Cyclone1]

noumenon said:

Young, impetuous and passionate. Is he Italian too?

I do agree, but it is a public forum with free speech.

Bloody hell I hope not, I have Italian roots and would find that insulting!!

Jules.

[shamrock]

Cyclone1 said:

shamrock said:

Sorry for being pedantic dxb but the topic is remapped 335d at (what sort of torque is your 335d?) vs remapped 330d at 500ft/lbs torque - the real world difference when rolling

Shamrock as you've possibly picked up on by now I drive a remapped 335d. I've ran it at a couple of VMAX events and twice at Fighting Torque (do a search on here for more details) and took part in a comparison of mapped, standard and press 335's for BMW Car Magazine. As honest as your friend is about his 330d it will not stay with a remapped 335d once rolling. Approximate figures for a remapped 335d are anywhere from 330bhp-360bhp and 480lb/ft-560lb/ft, but please remember that figures quoted by owners or found on the web are only a guide as different rolling roads can yield different or at times inaccurate figures.

Hope this helps
Jules.

That's conclusive enough for me - much appreciated, my curiosity has now been satisfied

[noumenon]

Cyclone1 said:

noumenon said:

Young, impetuous and passionate. Is he Italian too?

I do agree, but it is a public forum with free speech.

Bloody hell I hope not, I have Italian roots and would find that insulting!!

Jules.

Long lost cousin Luigi!

[m12_nathan]

noumenon said:

The way to correct it is to mash the brake and accelerator at the same time.

Are you talking about locking the front wheels like walshy does? Now try it on a car with ABS

[noumenon]

m12_nathan said:

noumenon said:

The way to correct it is to mash the brake and accelerator at the same time.

Are you talking about locking the front wheels like walshy does? Now try it on a car with ABS

Exactly! Still works with ABS as all you're doing is changing the brake bias to make the fronts do more work. Though would probably work even better if the fronts were locked.

Been on a walshy day? I can't recommend them enough....

[m12_nathan]

Done 3 of them, excellent days. Must get another booked. In a BMW you'd get ABS, EBD and CBC trying to do god knows what. Can't turn that lot off either.

[noumenon]

m12_nathan said:

Done 3 of them, excellent days. Must get another booked. In a BMW you'd get ABS, EBD and CBC trying to do god knows what. Can't turn that lot off either.

Goood point. Doesn't it all turn off with a ten second hold of the DSC button? Or is that just the traction and stability off.

Might have to take the 530d down to North Weald for a play around. I bet Walshy can make her dance.

[emicen]

noumenon said:

m12_nathan said:

Done 3 of them, excellent days. Must get another booked. In a BMW you'd get ABS, EBD and CBC trying to do god knows what. Can't turn that lot off either.

Goood point. Doesn't it all turn off with a ten second hold of the DSC button? Or is that just the traction and stability off.

Might have to take the 530d down to North Weald for a play around. I bet Walshy can make her dance.

Might have to try that 10second hold thing. Putting the DSC off in my E46 320Cd disables it a bit but it kicks back in at a certain point, usually when you're just starting to have fun.

Interestingly, the E90/91/? 320Ci that I got on loan last time it was having work done didnt have this problem. Press the button and all TC nonsense was off.

[noumenon]

One press is DTC, dynamic traction control. As I understand it this allows some wheelspin and sideways movement. This is for snow so you can scandi flick around. But if you go too far on the sideways, it turns DSC back on to try to save you.

Press and hold for a few seconds and you should get two warning lights. I thought this was everyting off, but not sure if that includes CBC/EBD as it leaves ABS intact. It shouldn't reactivate the way DTC does.

I could be wrong, this is what I gather from google!

[m12_nathan]

CBC is active when the brake is pressed on the e46 CSL regardless of the state of DSC. Not sure about other models though.

I have to confess I thought the whole point of that exercise was to lock the fronts so the front wheels no longer influence the direction of the car - ie remove the front wheels from the equation. Will have to watch the dvd again. I don't think it'll work with ABS but can't be sure without trying it.