Sytner Ex-Management Stock
Discussion
Has anyone any experience of buying an ex-management from Sytner? The cars don't (all) seem to appear on BMW AUC?
http://corporate.sytner.co.uk/bmwdemonstrators/
http://corporate.sytner.co.uk/bmwdemonstrators/
My first 5 series was from Sytner Nottingham and an ex BMW UK HQ car - it was excellent but that was a while ago now! Anyway I was recently visiting Sytner Solihull (looking at colours on cars rather than little samples) and one of the guys there said that they (Sytner group?) had just taken over 200 cars from BMW UK so they had loads of choice - I suspect that they have put some of these into this discrete area. Should all come with the same AUC stuff I would have thought.
Mmm,I suppose that "ex-management" here means first registered to Sytner or BMW UK. While the front page says ex-management the URL is "exdemonstrator". Any difference in definitions required here? Does everyone working in the dealers have access to cars and in this egalitarian world all qualify as "managers"? If they do I suppose some managers are more managerial than others so they get better spec cars
Hence there are M3s and the like as well as 116is.
Hence there are M3s and the like as well as 116is.
mikez328 said:
If you buy (as I did) an ex "BMW Contract" car under the BMW AUC programme, then rag the car whilst it is in the 12 month waranty period!!!
I am doing exactly that, on the basis that if BMW can take the piss out of me then I can do the same.
Dumb question perhaps... I am doing exactly that, on the basis that if BMW can take the piss out of me then I can do the same.
you said:
rag the car
means...?and why don't they appear on BMW AUC? (some do - and some are already sold
)Edited by doctorbob on Wednesday 18th February 14:39
I assume "rag" = "thrash"!
They very clearly state they are ex-demonstrators on the web site. I accept that a few might have been for the press but what other registered companies and varied conditions could be properly termed "ex-demonstrators"? If it has been somewhere other than in dealer hands I think that they would be pushing it to describe it as ex-demo
Why not on the AUC list is a good question although I suspect that this Sytner site isn't kept as up to date as the national site - that is an issue for them to resolve as it has clearly made you wonder why and hence slightly suspicious. If there is something you particularly fancy and it isn't listed on AUC give them a call and see what the story is - seems like a fair question to me.
They very clearly state they are ex-demonstrators on the web site. I accept that a few might have been for the press but what other registered companies and varied conditions could be properly termed "ex-demonstrators"? If it has been somewhere other than in dealer hands I think that they would be pushing it to describe it as ex-demo
Why not on the AUC list is a good question although I suspect that this Sytner site isn't kept as up to date as the national site - that is an issue for them to resolve as it has clearly made you wonder why and hence slightly suspicious. If there is something you particularly fancy and it isn't listed on AUC give them a call and see what the story is - seems like a fair question to me.
ex management ? if so who's was this monstrosity ?
http://corporate.sytner.co.uk/bmwdemonstrators/ima...
http://corporate.sytner.co.uk/bmwdemonstrators/ima...
mikez328 said:
doctorbob said:
Has anyone any experience of buying an ex-management from Sytner? The cars don't (all) seem to appear on BMW AUC?
http://corporate.sytner.co.uk/bmwdemonstrators/
They are all ex "BMW Contract" cars ie sold by BMW to registered companies under (very) varied contract conditions. The dealer buys a number of cars returned at the end of contract via a "sealed bid" at a BMW auction. If the Main BMW Dealer is the highest bidder for his 50+ cars he gets his stock...http://corporate.sytner.co.uk/bmwdemonstrators/
Generally the cars are ex UK management, but they DO include ex press demonstrators that were ragged mercilessly. That should no longer be a problem as all the press fleet cars were sold in mid 2006. However, the dealer is (incredibly) under no legal obligation to tell the vendor (you) that the car was driven in Jerez, Spain by idiots from the Times, Daily Telegraph etc....
If you buy (as I did) an ex "BMW Contract" car under the BMW AUC programme, then rag the car whilst it is in the 12 month waranty period!!!
I am doing exactly that, on the basis that if BMW can take the piss out of me then I can do the same.
Edited by mikez328 on Wednesday 18th February 13:58
ks spoken there. Let's say I know BMW's company car policy very well...Press cars do have some advantages, they are built with option 902 ( your dealer can check if it has that option.) This means that either you can walk away ( as it might have been thrashed) or maybe take a punt on one, as option 902 means that they have the best engines, extra quality checks, best tyres, ecu's, and generally do better in both performance and mpg. The cars are meticulously maintained between loans, and no one should be really concerned about buying them. Espcially if it is something mundane like a 320d. It might be wise to avoid launch cars as they generally are thrashed by the likes of evo and Jezza.
As for the ex management cars, until recently BMW provided cars to all staff, be they warehouse man or director. However if you were in the warehouse you got a 116i, if you were a director you got an M3 ( or anything else ). The Staff cars are easy to identify, they have Y*08*** numbers or older or newer. And if it is a 57 plate or newer will only have been three months old when disposed of, with less than 6k miles. Currently the change cycle is 9 months and 8k miles.
It is important to look at the V5, cars need to be registered to A N Other, via Alphadrive with the BMW HQ address. Anything else and it is probably a contract hire car, and therefore not ex management.
Cars returned from employees use, are sent to Thorne where they are re-prepared to the highest standard, better or as good as the best dealer - but you would expect that...?
In summary you can do a bit of research with your dealers help to determine if the car in question is genuinely ex management.
Having said that I used to Thrash the pants of mine...
hth
also forgot to mention that the spec of ex management cars is very tightly controlled, colours would mostly be silvers blacks or blues, a few whites, red's and a few individual colours ( less than 55) Actually the only people who spec individual is BMW UK).
Options would be on 6 cyl and above , leather bluetooth, 330d 335d 100% sat nav as well, Coupes all have folding mirrors, X3's are all 2.0d spec m sport with auto and nav and leather. There are no z4's, big engined petrols floating about at the mo, but that'll change during this year.
Edited by stockhatcher on Wednesday 18th February 21:04
I have a BMW UK ex Management car too, and as above, no complaints. The only down side is the second owner only kept it 3 months so by the time it was 6 months old it had 2 previous owners.
However, I'm confident that it was well looked after. Funny thing is, when my missus rang BMW UK to ask about getting an iPod connection fitted, on hearing the reg. the chap she spoke to said "oh....thats my bosses old car"
However, I'm confident that it was well looked after. Funny thing is, when my missus rang BMW UK to ask about getting an iPod connection fitted, on hearing the reg. the chap she spoke to said "oh....thats my bosses old car"
stockhatcher said:
Cars returned from employees use, are sent to Thorne where they are re-prepared to the highest standard, better or as good as the best dealer - but you would expect that...?
Don't forget the bit about departments being re-charged for any damage or remedial work - I've heard of people who don't look after their cars being disciplined. Of course that doesn't show the ragging that may have occured to an externally pristine car 
stockhatcher said:
... they are built with option 902 ( your dealer can check if it has that option.) This means that either you can walk away ( as it might have been thrashed) or maybe take a punt on one, as option 902 means that they have the best engines, extra quality checks, best tyres, ecu's, and generally do better in both performance and mpg.
All BMWs are equal, but some are more equal than others?stockhatcher said:
It might be wise to avoid launch cars as they generally are thrashed by the likes of evo and Jezza.
so a 57 or 08 e92/e93 would be safe?
stockhatcher said:
It is important to look at the V5, cars need to be registered to A N Other, via Alphadrive with the BMW HQ address. Anything else and it is probably a contract hire car, and therefore not ex management.
Thanks for that - very helpful 
So - what questions would you ask the dealer?
- Has this car been used as a press car
- Has this car ever been used as a contract or hire car?
Option 902
http://bmw.e34e38.info/bmw-options/
907 sounds better to me
edited after an 'unhelpful' post appeared, then disappeared
http://bmw.e34e38.info/bmw-options/
907 sounds better to me
edited after an 'unhelpful' post appeared, then disappeared
Edited by doctorbob on Thursday 19th February 14:08
Mike,
On several of your other posts(please read Mikes previous posts, they really do paint a fair picture of this guy) where you seem mainly to wind people up, you said you were going to not use this forum any more. Please keep to your word and f*** off.
Or change your name to "Socialmisfitpostingforentertainmentpurposesonly".
On several of your other posts(please read Mikes previous posts, they really do paint a fair picture of this guy) where you seem mainly to wind people up, you said you were going to not use this forum any more. Please keep to your word and f*** off.
Or change your name to "Socialmisfitpostingforentertainmentpurposesonly".
I just picked up a 320d M Sport Cab for my wife last weekend from Sytner Sutton Coldfield and it was 'ex management' and it has a 'Y' plate.
The car was absolutely immaculate and only had 2000 miles on the clock, and is 10 months old. The sticker price was lower than any other similar cars on the UK BMW web site, is well spec'd and as new. This is the second car that I have bought unseen until the day I picked it up and I would be happy doing the same again (and will do so next year when I get a 635D).
Sytner service so far has been second to none and if anything goes wrong it still has the warranty of course. Having discussed the car prior to purchase it appears (as has already been said) they have just bought a shed load of cars and are shifting them quickly.
The car was absolutely immaculate and only had 2000 miles on the clock, and is 10 months old. The sticker price was lower than any other similar cars on the UK BMW web site, is well spec'd and as new. This is the second car that I have bought unseen until the day I picked it up and I would be happy doing the same again (and will do so next year when I get a 635D).
Sytner service so far has been second to none and if anything goes wrong it still has the warranty of course. Having discussed the car prior to purchase it appears (as has already been said) they have just bought a shed load of cars and are shifting them quickly.
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