RE: PH2 Tested: 2012 BMW S1000RR
Discussion
Steve Evil said:
The California Superbike School use these in the 'States and they've found that accident rates have dropped by 60% since their introduction.
What ? CSS U.S.A. use the S1000RR as their school bikes?- resulting in 60% less accidents (on CSS school days?) If you mean that & that is their finding then I'd love to know what the accident rate is for their pupils AFTER they get back onto a non-electrickery bike ?? 
: sprinter1050 said:
Steve Evil said:
The California Superbike School use these in the 'States and they've found that accident rates have dropped by 60% since their introduction.
What ? CSS U.S.A. use the S1000RR as their school bikes?- resulting in 60% less accidents (on CSS school days?) If you mean that & that is their finding then I'd love to know what the accident rate is for their pupils AFTER they get back onto a non-electrickery bike ?? : Dagnut said:
SonnyM said:
I am considering my first bike at 35 now that I have "slowed down" a bit. And this is the only bike on my list...
EPIC.
EPIC.
I never understand how people do this...there is now way you would drive a mid engined super car as your first car, what makes you think you can drive a 193bhp superbike?
Got an 800st now, am I going the wrong way????
sprinter1050 said:
Yes- I'd be surprised if more than a couple didn't get caught out by their apparent invincibility 
Simon Hargreaves at Bike magazine had one as a long-termer for 12 months and he got worried stepping onto anything else without his safety net. I have to say for me it's not something that enters my thought process when I'm out riding, I'm certainly not conscious of there being a safety net there to protect me, nor have I ever knowingly triggered it, so whilst I'd be a bit apprehensive about getting onto a similar bike without it there, I think once I was actually out on the road or track I'd ride in exactly the same way.JumpinJack said:
WANT!
But there is one thing I hate about this bike... Why oh WHY, don't they make the headlights symmetrical? You wouldn't design a car with one nice sleek shaped headlight and the other a blob. Other than that...
To save weight is the official line from BMW. Plus they've got a habit of making wonky-eyed bikes.But there is one thing I hate about this bike... Why oh WHY, don't they make the headlights symmetrical? You wouldn't design a car with one nice sleek shaped headlight and the other a blob. Other than that...
So nice to have some decent bike articles on PH
but as for a 1000RR as a first bike... I wouldnt go near it unless i could afford to drop or crash it
Ive got about 5000 miles of bike experience - managed to bin my daytona 675 on a track day last year
(not too bad damage, just the clutch cover and fairing)
The rear let go under acceleration on a wet day, so I sat up and ran off the track forgetting that the front brake is not useful on the grass
I cant wait until traction control is on 600 class bikes
but as for a 1000RR as a first bike... I wouldnt go near it unless i could afford to drop or crash it
Ive got about 5000 miles of bike experience - managed to bin my daytona 675 on a track day last year
(not too bad damage, just the clutch cover and fairing)The rear let go under acceleration on a wet day, so I sat up and ran off the track forgetting that the front brake is not useful on the grass
I cant wait until traction control is on 600 class bikes
Steve Evil said:
Simon Hargreaves at Bike magazine had one as a long-termer for 12 months and he got worried stepping onto anything else without his safety net. I have to say for me it's not something that enters my thought process when I'm out riding, I'm certainly not conscious of there being a safety net there to protect me, nor have I ever knowingly triggered it, so whilst I'd be a bit apprehensive about getting onto a similar bike without it there, I think once I was actually out on the road or track I'd ride in exactly the same way.
When you push and push to the limit of both yours and the bike's abilities (or physics) and experience an off because you've broken those limits, then the assurance of a safety net is valued. I certainly ride in a more considered way as my bike does not have them. That being said, no electronic aids on a thou is what makes it so exhilirating... you ride the fine line between being in control and feeling the raw power, whilst sipping from the vial of fear...
I think of the S1000RR as riding the 'Oblivion' rollercoaster at Alton Towers... it's vertical free fall exhiliration, but you know you're safe.
In comparison, riding my K6 to the lock stops and feeding in the power around Copse is the exhiliration of flying over a blind crested rocky glacier when I'm skiing off piste.
I can see the argument for traction control on a track day to let you enjoy yourself without the ever-present fear of a bike-destroying high side.
But... If your riding fast enough on a warm, dry public road to run into the sophisticated traction control barrier of this bike then you need locking up. Either in a prison or mental institution.
But... If your riding fast enough on a warm, dry public road to run into the sophisticated traction control barrier of this bike then you need locking up. Either in a prison or mental institution.
infernal said:
So nice to have some decent bike articles on PH
but as for a 1000RR as a first bike... I wouldnt go near it unless i could afford to drop or crash it
Ive got about 5000 miles of bike experience - managed to bin my daytona 675 on a track day last year (not too bad damage, just the clutch cover and fairing)
The rear let go under acceleration on a wet day, so I sat up and ran off the track forgetting that the front brake is not useful on the grass
I cant wait until traction control is on 600 class bikes
Brave man, I wouldn't go near a track day in the wet unless I had a track bike.but as for a 1000RR as a first bike... I wouldnt go near it unless i could afford to drop or crash it
Ive got about 5000 miles of bike experience - managed to bin my daytona 675 on a track day last year
(not too bad damage, just the clutch cover and fairing)The rear let go under acceleration on a wet day, so I sat up and ran off the track forgetting that the front brake is not useful on the grass
I cant wait until traction control is on 600 class bikes
You may not have to wait too long though.....I think the F3 will have traction control.
btdk5 said:
Brave man, I wouldn't go near a track day in the wet unless I had a track bike.
You may not have to wait too long though.....I think the F3 will have traction control.
Depends upon your attitude. I did a day at Brand's and it poured down all day - started just as we were going out for the sighting laps, stopped an hour after we finished and the day before and day after were gorgeous (Grrrrr) - but I found that I probably rode smoother and better than normal because I was so conscious of grip levels (or the absence of them). On most track days I've had the odd, little "moment" but that day in the wet was the exception. And when I went back to Brand's a few weeks after, when it was dry, I was quicker than on previous visits.You may not have to wait too long though.....I think the F3 will have traction control.
Steve Evil said:
All depends on the person, I've got one and have only been riding 2 years, with about 12,000 miles under my belt, I have done a lot of training in that time though. You could have ridden for 50 years and 5 million miles, but if you're still riding with bad habits then you're not going to be as good as someone who has addressed those. The California Superbike School use these in the 'States and they've found that accident rates have dropped by 60% since their introduction.
I disagree. If you have the skills to ride the bike (however that is gained, training, rideing, whatever) then fine, but if you do your test and jump on a fast bike then you are asking for trouble. It's not about bad habits, it's about being able to ride a bike without thinking about what your doing "Let out the clutch, feed in the power etc.". If someone want's to take the risk of buying a fast bike then that is up to them. All I am saying is that most people will be a better, safer, rider by matching a bike to there expirince.And California Superbike School is of no bearing. They didn't swap from 125's to S1000's. They swapped from another bike that would not be suitable as a first bike (R1's I think).
PaulMoor said:
Steve Evil said:
All depends on the person, I've got one and have only been riding 2 years, with about 12,000 miles under my belt, I have done a lot of training in that time though. You could have ridden for 50 years and 5 million miles, but if you're still riding with bad habits then you're not going to be as good as someone who has addressed those. The California Superbike School use these in the 'States and they've found that accident rates have dropped by 60% since their introduction.
I disagree. If you have the skills to ride the bike (however that is gained, training, rideing, whatever) then fine, but if you do your test and jump on a fast bike then you are asking for trouble. It's not about bad habits, it's about being able to ride a bike without thinking about what your doing "Let out the clutch, feed in the power etc.". If someone want's to take the risk of buying a fast bike then that is up to them. All I am saying is that most people will be a better, safer, rider by matching a bike to there expirince.And California Superbike School is of no bearing. They didn't swap from 125's to S1000's. They swapped from another bike that would not be suitable as a first bike (R1's I think).
CSS is of some bearing due to the same reason, they used ZX-6Rs previously, something you'd commonly see a new rider going out and getting (for right or wrong), the fact they've got a lower accident rate on the BMW is saying something there. From my experiences with the school there is a vast range of skills in evidence, from fast-group regulars through to people who may have passed their test only a few weeks earlier.
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