RE: PH2 ridden: Yamaha TMAX
Discussion
xRIEx said:
It's just so middle of the road that middle of the road people will love them for having 'everything' in one package. I just can't get on board with the 'jack of all trades, master of none' quality in a bike, I suppose.
The opposite would be to buy a bike which focuses solely on doing one thing, really well. Which is fine if you don't want versatility in a bike that's used in a variety of conditions.spareparts said:
3doorPete said:
This thread won't end well.
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Anyway, as you are the BB voice of the TMAX and you know how to ride I think we should host our own BB TMAX challenge.
To settle it once and for all the voice of the commuter scooter should ride against the voice of the anti scooter commuter.....Fleegle.
So I propose a track evening at Brands on the Indy Circuit, you on your TMAX and Fleegle on his little 250 2stroke.
What do you guys think?
Andy XRV said:
On the contrary, for a scooter thread in BB I thought it was going rather well
Anyway, as you are the BB voice of the TMAX and you know how to ride I think we should host our own BB TMAX challenge.
To settle it once and for all the voice of the commuter scooter should ride against the voice of the anti scooter commuter.....Fleegle.
So I propose a track evening at Brands on the Indy Circuit, you on your TMAX and Fleegle on his little 250 2stroke.
What do you guys think?
Anyway, as you are the BB voice of the TMAX and you know how to ride I think we should host our own BB TMAX challenge.
To settle it once and for all the voice of the commuter scooter should ride against the voice of the anti scooter commuter.....Fleegle.
So I propose a track evening at Brands on the Indy Circuit, you on your TMAX and Fleegle on his little 250 2stroke.
What do you guys think?
To make it fair, let's also do the same race from Chiswick roundabout to Canary Wharf via Trafalgar Square 
spareparts said:
LOL, you are dreaming if you think commuting on a GS (anysize) is as convenient as on a TMax/maxiscooter. Anyway, your choice!
PS, the A3 is not what I would consider London commuting
Yep, up the A3 right on to the Strand. How can that not be commuting in London. And no i'm not dreaming like I said, I've actually done it on a GS and Tmax for the last four years. Yep the Tmax is better in the heavy traffic but the GS is better as soon as it opens up a bit so its horses for courses really.PS, the A3 is not what I would consider London commuting
And for those that think they can tour on a Tmax... No way. Yes it's got a top speed of just about the ton but it's all getting a bit buzzy over 70. Not exactly relaxing for munching those miles.
I like the TMax, had one for 2 yrs 25k miles, it's a great scooter. Just ain't good value for it's limited range when there are other bikes out there that have far greater versatility for less money..... Maybe that's why the don't sell many.
Ok, so all this criticism seems leveled at the price. 8.5k new.
Is that an unreasonable amount for arguably the best handling and equipped 500cc clutchless bike that does 50mpg?
How much do other bikes cost new? One trick wonders like the new 1199S is what, 18-23k? New S1000RR 16k? New Supersports are 10k? And all of these are as bad in urban riding as the TMax is on track...
Used bike buyers will argue:
A used TMax is c.4.5k after 2 years. A loss of 4k.
A used S1000RR after 2 years after 1.5 years: 10k. A loss of 6k.
Factor in insurance which is significantly more for the BMW.
Suddenly the TMax appears to offer decent value. What price on convenience? Well, I'd rather ride a TMax over an S1000RR on the same daily commute, rain/shine/snow in rush hour traffic every day 220 days a year. Financially it is a decent buy. Other cheaper maxiscoots like the SilverWing give even better financial returns for not much less utility.
The one bit few have mentioned is that riding the TMax is actually heck of a lot of fun at urban speeds - certainly compared to any sportsbike in the same environment. Geared bikes have their place, but so do maxiscoots.
Fleegle said:
redtwin said:
The biggest problem with the T-Max is the existence of this bike.
Twist and Go autobox, covered secure helmet storage, 850cc twin engine, AND Antilock brakes (ouch!) for £7699.
Sorted Twist and Go autobox, covered secure helmet storage, 850cc twin engine, AND Antilock brakes (ouch!) for £7699.
Strangely, I am not sure why there arent more of this type of thing (though Honda seem to be having a stab at it) and maybe we will see more - future of general motorcycling?
Someone make a bike that does a comfy 100-125mpg (which is where they'd be if they hadn't sweated over bhp not mpg for the last 20 years) and I'd buy one.
For my commute (27 miles, mainly dual carriageway) there isn't the incentive to get out of the car when you factor in fannying about getting gear on and stuff (and I already leave the house at about 5:45am every morning). I know it's different if filtering, but remember that not all commuting involves filtering. I'd have to get up even earlier to go by bike than I do by car, and I'd need more of an incentive than the odd mpg increase to persuade me into the outlay and hassle to going to work by bike, which is a shame.
Bhp has gone up by nearly ten fold since the 50's, yet mpg has come down. I comfortably get 55mpg out of a 1955 Triumph Thunderbird (650cc aircooled parallel twin). Progress?
For my commute (27 miles, mainly dual carriageway) there isn't the incentive to get out of the car when you factor in fannying about getting gear on and stuff (and I already leave the house at about 5:45am every morning). I know it's different if filtering, but remember that not all commuting involves filtering. I'd have to get up even earlier to go by bike than I do by car, and I'd need more of an incentive than the odd mpg increase to persuade me into the outlay and hassle to going to work by bike, which is a shame.
Bhp has gone up by nearly ten fold since the 50's, yet mpg has come down. I comfortably get 55mpg out of a 1955 Triumph Thunderbird (650cc aircooled parallel twin). Progress?
I can understand not wanting to change gear so much on the morning commute - I was the same, so I got a GSXR1000.
Probably narrower than the tmax, takes a tank bag to make up for no useful underseat storage (I added a top box too) and is generally better in most situations. More often you may need to light up the rear to turn tightly, but that's about it.
And while I haven't ridden a T-Max, I have ridden various others small and mid-sized scooters (and raced them!)
As above - it looks like the engine is in the frame with a separate swingarm so suspect this is more of an 'underbone' than a scooter.
Probably narrower than the tmax, takes a tank bag to make up for no useful underseat storage (I added a top box too) and is generally better in most situations. More often you may need to light up the rear to turn tightly, but that's about it.
And while I haven't ridden a T-Max, I have ridden various others small and mid-sized scooters (and raced them!)
As above - it looks like the engine is in the frame with a separate swingarm so suspect this is more of an 'underbone' than a scooter.
Dagnut said:
"In the City of Los Angeles, there are a total number of 2,499,764 registered vehicles. Of that, 1,977,803 are automobiles."
So unless car ownership has quadrupled in the last in the 4 years, during a recession, that stat is as crazy as I originally thought...sorry to be pedantic about it but it's wildly inaccurate.
I suspect that's 'city' as in 'City of London', as opposed to metropolitan area.So unless car ownership has quadrupled in the last in the 4 years, during a recession, that stat is as crazy as I originally thought...sorry to be pedantic about it but it's wildly inaccurate.
_g_ said:
And while I haven't ridden a T-Max, I have ridden various others small and mid-sized scooters (and raced them!)
Which got me thinking:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn0GyemG7Yc
Is this the biking equivalent of 2CV racing? Looks great....
_g_ said:
I can understand not wanting to change gear so much on the morning commute - I was the same, so I got a GSXR1000.
Probably narrower than the tmax, takes a tank bag to make up for no useful underseat storage (I added a top box too) and is generally better in most situations. More often you may need to light up the rear to turn tightly, but that's about it.
And while I haven't ridden a T-Max, I have ridden various others small and mid-sized scooters (and raced them!)
As above - it looks like the engine is in the frame with a separate swingarm so suspect this is more of an 'underbone' than a scooter.
Well then you need to take into account the population increase!! The number of Cars for LA county is 8 million...the number of people..10 millionProbably narrower than the tmax, takes a tank bag to make up for no useful underseat storage (I added a top box too) and is generally better in most situations. More often you may need to light up the rear to turn tightly, but that's about it.
And while I haven't ridden a T-Max, I have ridden various others small and mid-sized scooters (and raced them!)
As above - it looks like the engine is in the frame with a separate swingarm so suspect this is more of an 'underbone' than a scooter.
Dagnut said:
"In the City of Los Angeles, there are a total number of 2,499,764 registered vehicles. Of that, 1,977,803 are automobiles."
So unless car ownership has quadrupled in the last in the 4 years, during a recession, that stat is as crazy as I originally thought...sorry to be pedantic about it but it's wildly inaccurate.
I suspect that's 'city' as in 'City of London', as opposed to metropolitan area.So unless car ownership has quadrupled in the last in the 4 years, during a recession, that stat is as crazy as I originally thought...sorry to be pedantic about it but it's wildly inaccurate.
I spent the Summer working at Hunstanton Beach Patrol a few years ago. Driving was a waste of time and cycling was fine so long as the weather was okay. For when the weather was crap I bought a Honda Vision DX80 for £80. I would get to work twenty minutes quicker than driving my car and cost less in fuel and oil than the bus fair.
The weekend of a Mod' gathering I painted the scooter matt black and covered the front with an old boogey board cover that had washed up on the beach...
The weekend of a Mod' gathering I painted the scooter matt black and covered the front with an old boogey board cover that had washed up on the beach...
off_again said:
Fleegle said:
redtwin said:
The biggest problem with the T-Max is the existence of this bike.
Twist and Go autobox, covered secure helmet storage, 850cc twin engine, AND Antilock brakes (ouch!) for £7699.
Sorted Twist and Go autobox, covered secure helmet storage, 850cc twin engine, AND Antilock brakes (ouch!) for £7699.
Strangely, I am not sure why there arent more of this type of thing (though Honda seem to be having a stab at it) and maybe we will see more - future of general motorcycling?
spareparts said:
Ok, so all this criticism seems leveled at the price. 8.5k new.
Is that an unreasonable amount for arguably the best handling and equipped 500cc clutchless bike that does 50mpg?
Yes, when a better performing and better equipped (ABS, radial Brembos etc) 850cc clutchless bike that does 50+mpg is a grand less.Is that an unreasonable amount for arguably the best handling and equipped 500cc clutchless bike that does 50mpg?
I get the impression you refuse to accept the Mana exists.
t smeared goggles. redtwin said:
Yes, when a better performing and better equipped (ABS, radial Brembos etc) 850cc clutchless bike that does 50+mpg is a grand less.
I get the impression you refuse to accept the Mana exists.
And you don't see a lot of them around either... Maybe we like swapping cogs... Man and machine in perfect harmony and all that.I get the impression you refuse to accept the Mana exists.
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