RE: PH2 ridden: 2012 Suzuki GSX-R1000
Discussion
tori said:
The comments on the lack of evolution from the K6 is interesting. Does that apply to the 600 as well as I've been sniffing through the classified and, heart with the 2011 600, am I just wasting that extra 2-3k if I got one over an older model?
Reviews say its significantly different but id spend slightly more on the 750! tori said:
The comments on the lack of evolution from the K6 is interesting. Does that apply to the 600 as well as I've been sniffing through the classified and, heart with the 2011 600, am I just wasting that extra 2-3k if I got one over an older model?
Try riding a 2009 600 and see if the differences are worth the 3k 
They all look the same...
tori said:
The comments on the lack of evolution from the K6 is interesting. Does that apply to the 600 as well as I've been sniffing through the classified and, heart with the 2011 600, am I just wasting that extra 2-3k if I got one over an older model?
You could say that or almost any of the jap four since 2005..160RWHP is no less fun than 180rwhp IMHO....unless you race for a living, you wont miss it.tori said:
The comments on the lack of evolution from the K6 is interesting. Does that apply to the 600 as well as I've been sniffing through the classified and, heart with the 2011 600, am I just wasting that extra 2-3k if I got one over an older model?
The 600 is all new this year and a big step forward to top of pile. The 2011 and before look great in my view, but isn't much changed from 06.Im actually really dissapointed with all the japanese manfacturers for a good number of years. I think the last time I was excited about new models was 2004, doesnt seem that long ago to me but it was 8 years now. The R1 went from claiming 150bhp to 180bhp;doesnt matter what the reality was, the ZX10R had a 100mph plus 1st gear; slipper clutch and light dry weight, the Fireblade jumped to 1000cc, had a fancy electronic steering damper, RCV type dash, under seat exhaust, moto gp looks, Suzuki had the K4 which was great and they were going to unleash another 16bhp extra at the rear wheel for the 2005 model, pencil sharp styling and their lightest 1000 ever.
But from there on in things seem to have stagnated, I dont know have any of them really gone much abouve 165bhp at the rear wheel? For the last few years in my head I have always blamed ever stricter emmission regulations but then BMW come along and knock out near 180bhp on the dyno from 1000cc.
I thought Suzuki would fight back against ther Germans after a 3 year model gap rather than the usual 2 but how wrong was I. Maybe its just me but I think they should hang their heads in shame.
Now every bike has slipper clutch, radial calipers, fancy steering dampers, adjustable suspension etc etc, the only thing they can take more from race bikes is the electronics. Aprillia/BMW/Ducati are onto this.
I think the japanese need to go back to the drawing board on two relatively well known concepts, reduce weight and increase engine power. These bikes are the flagship models in their respective line ups.
In this weeks MCN 1000cc group test I note for reasons outside thier control the R1 and Suzuki didnt make it to the test.
But from there on in things seem to have stagnated, I dont know have any of them really gone much abouve 165bhp at the rear wheel? For the last few years in my head I have always blamed ever stricter emmission regulations but then BMW come along and knock out near 180bhp on the dyno from 1000cc.
I thought Suzuki would fight back against ther Germans after a 3 year model gap rather than the usual 2 but how wrong was I. Maybe its just me but I think they should hang their heads in shame.
Now every bike has slipper clutch, radial calipers, fancy steering dampers, adjustable suspension etc etc, the only thing they can take more from race bikes is the electronics. Aprillia/BMW/Ducati are onto this.
I think the japanese need to go back to the drawing board on two relatively well known concepts, reduce weight and increase engine power. These bikes are the flagship models in their respective line ups.
In this weeks MCN 1000cc group test I note for reasons outside thier control the R1 and Suzuki didnt make it to the test.
300KPH said:
I think the japanese need to go back to the drawing board on two relatively well known concepts, reduce weight and increase engine power. These bikes are the flagship models in their respective line ups.
Which was the best selling 1000cc bike last year ?, I doubt there's many riders that can use anything like 165 bhp on the road very often, and judging by the nanny electronics on the S1000RR I rode last year plenty of beemer riders aren't getting anything like full output that often.300KPH said:
Im actually really dissapointed with all the japanese manfacturers for a good number of years. I think the last time I was excited about new models was 2004, doesnt seem that long ago to me but it was 8 years now. The R1 went from claiming 150bhp to 180bhp;doesnt matter what the reality was, the ZX10R had a 100mph plus 1st gear; slipper clutch and light dry weight, the Fireblade jumped to 1000cc, had a fancy electronic steering damper, RCV type dash, under seat exhaust, moto gp looks, Suzuki had the K4 which was great and they were going to unleash another 16bhp extra at the rear wheel for the 2005 model, pencil sharp styling and their lightest 1000 ever.
But from there on in things seem to have stagnated, I dont know have any of them really gone much abouve 165bhp at the rear wheel? For the last few years in my head I have always blamed ever stricter emmission regulations but then BMW come along and knock out near 180bhp on the dyno from 1000cc.
I thought Suzuki would fight back against ther Germans after a 3 year model gap rather than the usual 2 but how wrong was I. Maybe its just me but I think they should hang their heads in shame.
Now every bike has slipper clutch, radial calipers, fancy steering dampers, adjustable suspension etc etc, the only thing they can take more from race bikes is the electronics. Aprillia/BMW/Ducati are onto this.
I think the japanese need to go back to the drawing board on two relatively well known concepts, reduce weight and increase engine power. These bikes are the flagship models in their respective line ups.
In this weeks MCN 1000cc group test I note for reasons outside thier control the R1 and Suzuki didnt make it to the test.
Agree with all the above. But from there on in things seem to have stagnated, I dont know have any of them really gone much abouve 165bhp at the rear wheel? For the last few years in my head I have always blamed ever stricter emmission regulations but then BMW come along and knock out near 180bhp on the dyno from 1000cc.
I thought Suzuki would fight back against ther Germans after a 3 year model gap rather than the usual 2 but how wrong was I. Maybe its just me but I think they should hang their heads in shame.
Now every bike has slipper clutch, radial calipers, fancy steering dampers, adjustable suspension etc etc, the only thing they can take more from race bikes is the electronics. Aprillia/BMW/Ducati are onto this.
I think the japanese need to go back to the drawing board on two relatively well known concepts, reduce weight and increase engine power. These bikes are the flagship models in their respective line ups.
In this weeks MCN 1000cc group test I note for reasons outside thier control the R1 and Suzuki didnt make it to the test.
The only alternative to any Jap or BMW really is to go Italian. Aprilia and Ducati are not perfect by a long shot, but they do offer more desirability from an ownership proposition I think. Or maybe I'm just getting tired of Jap bikes, despite their superb performance. All Litre bikes perform about the same on the road and will be faster depending on the rider, just with varying degrees of comfort and rideability.
It doesnt really matter to me how much power the average rider is able to use, these flagship supersport models are supposed to be the cutting edge of the relevant manufacturers technology. There should be continous improvements in styling, weight, power etc etc.
Its a case now where you can pull up along side on your mates and say, hey look at my new bike, its 6kg heavier then your old model and its lost a load of its bottom end grunt. That just doesnt sit right with me.
That wasnt the case in if you had the new 04 R1 and you pulled up along side your mate on his 03 version. You had big chunk of extra power, snazzy underseat exhausts, fancy new dashboard etc etc.
People generally like new models to have extra features and be better than the last version, doesnt matter whether its a car, a camera, a phone, a tv, you see my point.
If you keep launching models that look nearly exactly the same as the old ones and the improvements if any are debatable then something is wrong. Customers should not be left to question in their mind if the new model is better or not.
Its a case now where you can pull up along side on your mates and say, hey look at my new bike, its 6kg heavier then your old model and its lost a load of its bottom end grunt. That just doesnt sit right with me.
That wasnt the case in if you had the new 04 R1 and you pulled up along side your mate on his 03 version. You had big chunk of extra power, snazzy underseat exhausts, fancy new dashboard etc etc.
People generally like new models to have extra features and be better than the last version, doesnt matter whether its a car, a camera, a phone, a tv, you see my point.
If you keep launching models that look nearly exactly the same as the old ones and the improvements if any are debatable then something is wrong. Customers should not be left to question in their mind if the new model is better or not.
300KPH said:
That wasnt the case in if you had the new 04 R1 and you pulled up along side your mate on his 03 version. You had big chunk of extra power, snazzy underseat exhausts, fancy new dashboard etc etc.
Im not a fan of Yamahas I was just giving that as a hypothetical example not based on actualy torque/power figures sorry.
Ok, say take it some one had a nice 2003 zx9r which was only 6 months old and you rocked up in April 2004 on the new zx10r, all anyone could say is wow!
That sorta of thing is gone now in my eyes maybe with the exception of some of the more expensive Italian machines. Im just a bit dissapointed with the Japanese effort in the last while I guess.
Ok, say take it some one had a nice 2003 zx9r which was only 6 months old and you rocked up in April 2004 on the new zx10r, all anyone could say is wow!
That sorta of thing is gone now in my eyes maybe with the exception of some of the more expensive Italian machines. Im just a bit dissapointed with the Japanese effort in the last while I guess.
bikes havnt really got any (or little) faster than they were 5 years ago have they? ..surely the limit of physics/style of bike/tyre grip means theres a limit to how fast you can get to 100mph and then theres the 186mph agreement...cant blame Suzuki for that one
so that leaves us with headline figures on how fast you can get to 186Mph, or how many electronic rider aids you can fit on to make you 0.3s quicker on your morning commute
so what can manufacturers do, to make you want to swap your 3 year old one for a new model the same? its not like most people wear them out ..and fewer new riders are coming through each year
so that leaves us with headline figures on how fast you can get to 186Mph, or how many electronic rider aids you can fit on to make you 0.3s quicker on your morning commute
so what can manufacturers do, to make you want to swap your 3 year old one for a new model the same? its not like most people wear them out ..and fewer new riders are coming through each year
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