Disc Locks

[ibi]

tdog7 said:

I have one of the Abus detecto disc locks.

Which one?

I had a look at these and didn't like the way there is a thing which pushes up against the disc lock to activate the alarm - does that work ok?

Given this is really just a deterrent to the opportunistic thief (without a skateboard), is it even worth upgrading my Abus Provogue?

[off_again]

Mad Jock said:

OP, if it's such a hassle, perhaps you should try this:

http://www.roadlok.co.uk/

It depends on whether your bike will take one, just check the models on their list.

Looks clever and being Thatcham approved, should be quite good. But £200 for the lock kit? Wowzers, thats quite a lot of money for a lock! Convenience factor is great, but its still quite a lot of money.

[SVS]

Hi ibi,

I've been very happy with an Oxford Boss Alarm disc lock:
http://oxford-shop.com/item3312.htm

The Oxford Boss Alarm has been reliable. Also, I like its big yellow presence, which could be off-putting to opportunists. (Though nothing will stop a really determined scrote.)

Whereas I wasn't happy with my Xena alarmed disc lock, which deteriorated with use.

Also, you might find Revzilla's video review of the Abus Detecto helpful:
www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/abus-detecto-7000-rs1-...

HTH

Edited by SVS on Wednesday 16th May 10:11

[ZesPak]

SVS said:

Also, you might find Revzilla's video review of the Abus Detecto helpful:
www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/abus-detecto-7000-rs1-...

Revzilla is a store, so their videos can hardly be described as "reviews". They do make some good instructional videos though that show how a product works.

[tdog7]

Mine is an Abus Granit detecto 8000....I think it was slightly more expensive than some of the other alarmed disc locks out there, but it's solid metal, no plastic casing on it at all, which I think at least makes it look that bit tougher!
It only activates when locked to the disc, so you can leave it locked in your bag/pocket and it won't go off.

[creampuff]

I've decided to get a DISC LOCK too: an alarmed disc lock, seems like a cheap way of adding an alarm to the bike.

Can anybody comment on the alarm/features of the high end disc locks like the ABUS GRANIT DETECTO X-PLUS 8000 and the cheaper Abus (or other) disc locks.

Since the disc lock isn't going to prevent anyone putting the wheel on a dolly and trailering the bike, my thinking is you don't need a ultra-secure disc lock. OTOH I like the look of the 3D motion sensor on the Abus Detecto X-Plus 8000. What I don't like is it weighs 1.5kg so if something has as good an alarm but with lighter weight, that would be better for me.

[ZesPak]

creampuff said:

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Since the disc lock isn't going to prevent anyone putting the wheel on a dolly and trailering the bike, my thinking is you don't need a ultra-secure disc lock. OTOH I like the look of the 3D motion sensor on the Abus Detecto X-Plus 8000. What I don't like is it weighs 1.5kg so if something has as good an alarm but with lighter weight, that would be better for me.

How about the Abus 8077, which weighs "only" 835g?

[stanthebiker]

Mellow Matt said:

Also, how would an insurance co. know if it had a disc lock on it if it gets pinched...?!

^^ This

[creampuff]

ZesPak said:

How about the Abus 8077, which weighs "only" 835g?

Well I just bought an Abus 7000 RS1. Still has the 3D alarm, a bit cheaper than the Abus 8000 and almost a kilo lighter.

[ZesPak]

creampuff said:

Well I just bought an Abus 7000 RS1. Still has the 3D alarm, a bit cheaper than the Abus 8000 and almost a kilo lighter.

Have you had both next to eachother? Any thoughts?
Have you worked with your 7000? How do you find it? Easy to set off?

[creampuff]

Hasn't arrived yet!

[Wedg1e]

graphene said:

If you think that wearing safety equipment whilst riding a motorcycle, is comparable to doing housework, then I would have to agree with you - I will decide my own level of risk.

I meant that as you are already frigging about with 'appendages' to the motorcycle, how much extra grief, really, is it to carry and use a disc lock? If you're that idle, why not just take the car. Press button, open door, slam, drive. Hardly any effort at all.

I wasn't specifically having a pop at you, just at the concept of anyone who is trying to justify NOT using a lock THEREBY making the thieves' lives easier. If you ride a bike you must know it's almost certainly going to be a target, sooner or later, so why not put a tiny bit of extra effort in just so you can satisfy yourself that you did everything you realistically could to stop your toy being pinched. I really don't get the mentality.

[Wedg1e]

stanthebiker said:

Mellow Matt said:

Also, how would an insurance co. know if it had a disc lock on it if it gets pinched...?!

^^ This

What, this? This apology for an insurance scam? No they won't know whether the lock was fitted, but why not just fit the bloody lock and then you'll probably never have to ring them up and confess that you were such an idle tight-fisted wan ker that your bike's been pinched and YOU made it easy for them.

[creampuff]

Wedg1e said:

I wasn't specifically having a pop at you, just at the concept of anyone who is trying to justify NOT using a lock THEREBY making the thieves' lives easier. If you ride a bike you must know it's almost certainly going to be a target, sooner or later, so why not put a tiny bit of extra effort in just so you can satisfy yourself that you did everything you realistically could to stop your toy being pinched. I really don't get the mentality.

I'm not planning on using the lock about 80% of the time. It's a bit of extra work to put on. If I park in a secure carpark, I won't use it. If I park at home (which is secure), I won't use it. If I park at a motorway services and go in for a coffee, I won't use it.

If I park it outside overnight when I'm touring, then I'll use it. If I park it outside some council estate in Birmingham, I'll sure as £$%^ use it.

You need to balance the risk of theft with the effort of putting it on... I'm guessing everyone on here owns chains, so unless you chain your bike up to a solid object each and every time you park no matter where and for how short a time and absolutely refuse to park anywhere where you can't chain to a solid object, then you are doing the same risk assessment.

[stanthebiker]

Wedg1e said:

What, this? This apology for an insurance scam? No they won't know whether the lock was fitted, but why not just fit the bloody lock and then you'll probably never have to ring them up and confess that you were such an idle tight-fisted wan ker that your bike's been pinched and YOU made it easy for them.

Personally I choose not use a disk lock and my insurance doesn't require one.

I do like your confidence that a disk lock will 'probably' prevent your bike getting stolen though. This is surely reflected in the MASSIVE discount you must get for using one?

[Wedg1e]

How am I missing the point? Here we have a situation where there are means to POSSIBLY prevent bikes being stolen and people are coming up with excuses and apologies not to use them. We all know that we're only talking about the chancers here, not the organised thieves.

I can imagine if there were no locks, no alarms, no chains, some people would be on here whingeing that 'there should be some way to stop the thieves'... and when there's obvious suggestions to tell your insurers that you use a disc lock but in fact don't, then to those people thanks, the rest of us really don't mind paying extra premiums because you can't be arsed.

As to my bike, well if it ever does go missing at least I won't be on here saying 'I only left it for 5 minutes, wish I'd put the disc lock on...'. Plus it weighs 300Kg, the average spotty teen around here couldn't lift it off the stand
I don't know what percentage of discount I get for using the disc lock and frankly it's irrelevant, I'd use it anyway. The bike also has a Thatcham Cat. 1 alarm/ immobiliser, factory ignition immobiliser, Abus lock and chain and Smartwater. If there was a fold-up Dobermann I'd have one of those too.

As someone said, the level of risk is personal

[creampuff]

Wedg1e said:

Here we have a situation where there are means to POSSIBLY prevent bikes being stolen and people are coming up with excuses and apologies not to use them.

So you always disc lock and chain up, even when you are just at some motorway services and pop inside for a waz?

[Wedg1e]

creampuff said:

So you always disc lock and chain up, even when you are just at some motorway services and pop inside for a waz?

'Fraid so That's exactly the sort of place where nobody would think it odd to be loading a bike into a van or onto a trailer, they'd think it'd broken down.
Doesn't happen often mind; I can go 330 miles on a full tank, so I can get from Rotterdam to the Alps with only one stop.

[Mellow Matt]

Wedg1e said:

stanthebiker said:

Mellow Matt said:

Also, how would an insurance co. know if it had a disc lock on it if it gets pinched...?!

^^ This

What, this? This apology for an insurance scam? No they won't know whether the lock was fitted, but why not just fit the bloody lock and then you'll probably never have to ring them up and confess that you were such an idle tight-fisted wan ker that your bike's been pinched and YOU made it easy for them.

Pretty sure implying I'm a wker for asking a question is quite rude. FWIW I don't declare my disc lock and I put it on most of the time anyway (and didn't I say exactly what you said about putting it on all the time anyway?!). Also, I've never claimed on my insurance, so I'm actually reducing premiums for everyone else.

My best defence against bike thieves is having a bike that they don't want to nick (I'll accept the tight-fisted part of your insult!).

[creampuff]

Wedg1e said:

I can go 330 miles on a full tank, so I can get from Rotterdam to the Alps with only one stop.

Waz dependent, of course